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Old Aug 11, 2002 | 09:08 PM
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Problems? - Injen vs. Franken

I would love to get a new intake, but you guys are maknig me nervous with all of these MAFs dying.
It's pretty bad when you can start a "Who's Who" website of blown MAFs.

I've read about more problems with the MAF on the Frankcar intake than on the Injen intake. Is there validity in these findings, or is it because the Injen is newer, so less people have them...thus, causing less problems???

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Old Aug 11, 2002 | 10:12 PM
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y2kse did a poll and found out that yes more frankencar intake users had MAF failures BUT overall as a percentage it was about the same. EX. 100 frankencar user and 10 had failures, and 50 berk users with 5 failures. the rate of failure in that example was 10%(not those numbers are not actual numbers and are intendeed only for example purposes)

however with the frankencar intake you can now special order an apexi fitler with your intake for an additional 50 dollars.
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 12:47 AM
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Re: Problems? - Injen vs. Franken

Originally posted by max34
I've read about more problems with the MAF on the Frankcar intake than on the Injen intake. Is there validity in these findings, or is it because the Injen is newer, so less people have them...thus, causing less problems???
As soon as i put my frankencar on i had ses light. Soon as I put the Injen on, it was gone.
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 01:59 AM
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Originally posted by dmbmaxima2k2
y2kse did a poll and found out that yes more frankencar intake users had MAF failures BUT overall as a percentage it was about the same. EX. 100 frankencar user and 10 had failures, and 50 berk users with 5 failures. the rate of failure in that example was 10%(not those numbers are not actual numbers and are intendeed only for example purposes)
I'd have to object to that. I've seen a higher rate (ie proportion)of failure with Frankencar vs Berk Tuning. Do a search for Y2kse's thread about MAF failures.
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 07:42 AM
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Re: Re: Problems? - Injen vs. Franken

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As soon as i put my frankencar on i had ses light. Soon as I put the Injen on, it was gone.
do youi know thy the SES light was on?? did you have it tested??? i've seen way too many people install them totally wrong. i've had people install the MAF backwards, not put the sensor in the whole in the midpipe and have a stumbled idle and wonder why. you would be totally surprised at the things i've seen over the past 8 months that you would think someone would never do.
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 09:43 AM
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I have a question inside this question. If the MAF fails, how bad does the car run? Is it driveable? I have a long commute and if my MAF failed I would hope to still beable to drive home. Even if it is at 60 mph.

Thanks..
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 09:58 AM
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I think it has to do with a Nissan MAF issue. I dont really think the intakes have anything to do with it.

I have had the Franken on for over 6 months now with no failures of parts. I am putting my Injen on tonight and I do not suspect any issues.

To each their own.
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 10:55 AM
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another possibility...excessive vibration to the MAF after the resonatore and airbox were removed.

my suggestion : keep the rubber tubing that connects the throttle and the resonator if u decided to put in a midpipe. The rubber thingy helps in reducing vibration from the throttle body.
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 10:59 AM
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Originally posted by [maxi-overdose]
another possibility...excessive vibration to the MAF after the resonatore and airbox were removed.

my suggestion : keep the rubber tubing that connects the throttle and the resonator if u decided to put in a midpipe. The rubber thingy helps in reducing vibration from the throttle body.
I proved last night that shock will not kill an MAF i was replacing my stock air box to bring my car in for service(an ounce of prevention is worth a pound's cure) and i was tryinn to get the coupler off the MAF and when it did it literally FLEW across my driveway and bounced all around. i almost died and started crying, i was like wel there goes my speakers i wanted to get. i put it all back together and it worked fine.
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by dmbmaxima2k2


I proved last night that shock will not kill an MAF i was replacing my stock air box to bring my car in for service(an ounce of prevention is worth a pound's cure) and i was tryinn to get the coupler off the MAF and when it did it literally FLEW across my driveway and bounced all around. i almost died and started crying, i was like wel there goes my speakers i wanted to get. i put it all back together and it worked fine.
u put stock parts back for services? I thought we only do that for warranty work....I dun think that they will report us when we dump money on them.

anyways...most MAF failure cases do not happen on the next day following the install. I was thinking maybe the vibration from daily driving, shifting, throttle, etc. causes the MAF to fail. Before we install the intake, the airbox was tight to the body....it usese rubber spacers between each bolt to reduce vibration. The stock coupler that holds the resonator to the throttle was strechable. I want to try to use those streachable tubing onto the midpipe and see if it helps.
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 11:27 AM
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u put stock parts back for services? I thought we only do that for warranty work....I dun think that they will report us when we dump money on them.

anyways...most MAF failure cases do not happen on the next day following the install. I was thinking maybe the vibration from daily driving, shifting, throttle, etc. causes the MAF to fail. Before we install the intake, the airbox was tight to the body....it usese rubber spacers between each bolt to reduce vibration. The stock coupler that holds the resonator to the throttle was strechable. I want to try to use those streachable tubing onto the midpipe and see if it helps.
ya i do it take me 15 minutes to do a full switch and i'm sure they write stuff down, my car is heavily modded and i'm sure they notice stuff and make note of it. it's worth it for me to change it out.
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 11:34 AM
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I do not think Frankencar causes the MAF failure.
I do not think Berk intake causes MAF failures.

People, use common sense and think about it.. An intake is an intake is an intake, for cryin out loud.

The people who had SES light come on after installing an intake, they installed wrong, or damaged the MAF in the process.

An intake is an intake, but I like franken car the best because it looks pretty, is pretty cheap and simple to install.
A true cold air is a pain in the a s s to install. Drilling the hole is the easy part. I dont like moving out the battery, fuse box and all that.
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 11:37 AM
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Mike--
I have a franken/stillen combo on my 02 and no problems. I am getting an ingen cai ordered 2day. should be here by the weekend. You can try my stilllen if you want to. let me know
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Old Aug 12, 2002 | 12:54 PM
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Originally posted by buzek
Mike--
I have a franken/stillen combo on my 02 and no problems. I am getting an ingen cai ordered 2day. should be here by the weekend. You can try my stilllen if you want to. let me know
Brian
I'd like to see that Injen. Will you have it in by this weekend?
Either way I'm on for this weekend. The water's all mopped up!
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 02:04 PM
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I truly believe that MAF failure is caused by vibration no matter which intake is installed...(besides the stock one)...when we "get on it" and experience wheel hop it drastically jars the front end, thus shaking the helll out of the MAF....especially if you dont have the "stabalizing" bracket...(like I did not have).
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by maximadriven
I have a question inside this question. If the MAF fails, how bad does the car run? Is it driveable? I have a long commute and if my MAF failed I would hope to still beable to drive home. Even if it is at 60 mph.

Thanks..
Anyone have any info on this?
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 02:50 PM
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Originally posted by maximadriven


Anyone have any info on this?
can't go above 10% throttle, 72 mph in a 6-spd and 2400rpms in any gear.
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 02:51 PM
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Installed my franken intake this weekend, and my SES light came on too, but i worked around the MAF installing it, so i hope it not the MAF, i just going to take it to nissan this week and see what is wrong. If it is the MAF, if i install a new one will it work???
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Originally posted by wildr0id
Installed my franken intake this weekend, and my SES light came on too, but i worked around the MAF installing it, so i hope it not the MAF, i just going to take it to nissan this week and see what is wrong. If it is the MAF, if i install a new one will it work???
if your maf was dead you would know it, starting the car with a loose conenction will cause the SES to come on for a while even if the problem goes away
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 05:05 PM
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Originally posted by dmbmaxima2k2


if your maf was dead you would know it, starting the car with a loose conenction will cause the SES to come on for a while even if the problem goes away

if the maf was dead would i experice(sp?) a power loss???, like i have less hp after putting the intake on???
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 06:22 PM
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Originally posted by dmbmaxima2k2


can't go above 10% throttle, 72 mph in a 6-spd and 2400rpms in any gear.
so it sounds driveable atleast. I have a 5 spd 2000. I guess the Stillen will finally go on, on Wednesday.
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 08:50 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Problems? - Injen vs. Franken

Originally posted by dmbmaxima2k2


do youi know thy the SES light was on?? did you have it tested??? i've seen way too many people install them totally wrong. i've had people install the MAF backwards, not put the sensor in the whole in the midpipe and have a stumbled idle and wonder why. you would be totally surprised at the things i've seen over the past 8 months that you would think someone would never do.
Yea, I had it looked at by at least 4 mechanics including Nissan. Not one of them found anything wrong at all with the install. I tried switching out my MAF sensor and that didnt do it either. So I figured I'd try soemethin else and what do you know, it went off. I really did enjoy your intake, but the SES light was bugging the crap outta me. Oh and I reset my ECU many many times as well.
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 08:55 PM
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The people who had SES light come on after installing an intake, they installed wrong, or damaged the MAF in the process. [/B]
No dude, I did not install it wrong. The second I fired it up after the intake it came on, I shut it down took it apart and re-installed it. Same thing happened. No mechanic could explain it. Nissan reset the code for me and it came back about 30 minutes later. Not flaming or defending one side, just tellin you how it is.
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 09:15 PM
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I've not had any problems with either my Frankencar or Injen. *knocks on wood*

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Old Aug 12, 2002 | 09:55 PM
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Originally posted by Tony Fernandes
I've not had any problems with either my Frankencar or Injen. *knocks on wood*

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How Many Injen Owners have had MAF failures?
Old Aug 13, 2002 | 06:13 AM
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I just installed the Injen last night. I had the Franken on. I drove 40 miles to work this morning, easy at first then some hard stomping at the end.

Everything is fine. I have the New MAF in my car, I checked last night. Those that are having the failures I guearuntee have the old design and need to get the new one.


Y2K - are you sure you had the connector on right when you started it?

If not then you are going to have to drive it a bit and let it reset itself.

By the way - the Injen is def. different. Much quieter, and a different feel in the power-band. There is no more lag on the bottom end, and the car pulls just about the same, maybe a bit harder. The real test will be tonight on the way home when the Temp is about 97 and the Humidity is high. Then we weill see if this is a better bet.
Old Aug 13, 2002 | 09:16 AM
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Originally posted by Bulldawg



How Many Injen Owners have had MAF failures?

I have heard 1 so far.....
Old Aug 13, 2002 | 08:11 PM
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Originally posted by dblrr900
I just installed the Injen last night. I had the Franken on. I drove 40 miles to work this morning, easy at first then some hard stomping at the end.

Everything is fine. I have the New MAF in my car, I checked last night. Those that are having the failures I guearuntee have the old design and need to get the new one.


Y2K - are you sure you had the connector on right when you started it?

If not then you are going to have to drive it a bit and let it reset itself.

By the way - the Injen is def. different. Much quieter, and a different feel in the power-band. There is no more lag on the bottom end, and the car pulls just about the same, maybe a bit harder. The real test will be tonight on the way home when the Temp is about 97 and the Humidity is high. Then we weill see if this is a better bet.
Everything was installed correctly.
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