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Old Aug 12, 2002 | 12:49 PM
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Whats with all this Acura&Honda hating??!!

I just posted Honda having a 240hp accord last week and some people go nuts trying to defend the maxima, saying the honda is this and that... This is a maxima forum and being biased is a given so why bother?? But i think its funny when some of u go out of ur way to be MORE biased. I dont think the accord is the best selling car for having nothing and people bought accords are "stupid". Anyway people have their own opinions but some of u guy's love for the Max is scary=) Oh and i have one major complaint: Did u guy's even remember, maximas, atleast for my 00' year has the cheapest interior in its price range and the most rattles?? I never said i will buy an accord but thought they might be a worthy competition at the stop light when they are out. Pretty sure they will kill my 00'.

Personally, i went to a Honda dealer yesterday just to check out the S2000. Boy, that car looks and feels all business. They only wanted $33k for it but im sure they will have a face-lift for 03'. So im waiting for the 03 model to see what they look like, and i have no problem trading my Max for that thing.
Also sat in a civic SI, the interior again is 1000 times better than the maxima. They had like type-R seats and everything just have a hi-quality look to them, and..........OK. I'll stop, otherwise somebody will go crazy again=)
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 12:57 PM
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Re: Whats with all this Acura&Honda hating??!!

Originally posted by johnsmax
Did u guy's even remember, maximas, atleast for my 00' year has the cheapest interior in its price range and the most rattles??
Do yourself a favor, go to jdpower.com and compare the initial quality ratings of 2000 Maxima, Accord and Camry, then come back and say that again. BTW, we have both a Max and a Honda in my family.
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 01:07 PM
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Re: Re: Whats with all this Acura&Honda hating??!!

I hope looking at my cheap looking interior for the last 2+ years was as easy as going to jdpower.com. Im sure my car is better compared to those cars u mentioned in EVERYWAY except the looks and quality of the interior. I wonder why i cant make them look better after i come back from jdpower???=)


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Do yourself a favor, go to jdpower.com and compare the initial quality ratings of 2000 Maxima, Accord and Camry, then come back and say that again. BTW, we have both a Max and a Honda in my family.
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 01:07 PM
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Hondas and Acuras ROCK!
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 01:12 PM
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hahahahahahaha!!!! Now thins is what i like to see!!=)


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Old Aug 12, 2002 | 01:19 PM
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Let me save you the effort to look at jdpower.com.

1. Comparison of Feature and Accessory Quality of 2000 MY cars.
2. Comparison of Body and Interior Quality of same cars.

Maxima Accord Camry Passat

1. ***** **** **** **
2. ***** **** ***** ***

*****= among the best
**** = better than most
*** = does not really stand out
** = the rest
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 01:43 PM
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Originally posted by johnsmax
hahahahahahaha!!!! Now thins is what i like to see!!=)

I enjoy generous helpings of sarcasm as well.
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 01:47 PM
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Huh?

You think the interior of the Max looks cheap? Odd. Look, I'm not a Honda hater or anything. (Got a 2001 Civic EX, and a '95 Accord LX), but I can tell you that the interior of the Max is MUCH more appealing than the Honda.

Actually, in my mind, it's apples and oranges. I don't even put the Accords and Camrys in the same class as the Max.

JMO
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by bill99gxe



I enjoy generous helpings of sarcasm as well.
And Nissan is king...

Was that sarcastic enough for ya Bill??


<---- S.F.D
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 01:50 PM
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All I can say is that I've personally owned 3 Nissan's and 2 Honda's. I would buy another Nissan, but not another Honda.
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 01:51 PM
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Originally posted by Mustang1999


And Nissan is king...

Was that sarcastic enough for ya Bill??


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Not bad DeAnne.



And I like the SFD....haven't had one of those in a while....
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 01:54 PM
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Re: Huh?

never thought they were the same class and yes i think my interior looks beyond cheap, its even worse than my 92' SE.

Originally posted by jjames
Actually, in my mind, it's apples and oranges. I don't even put the Accords and Camrys in the same class as the Max.

JMO
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 01:59 PM
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And you're talking about a 2000 Maxima, right?

Oh well, different strokes I guess.

Originally posted by johnsmax
never thought they were the same class and yes i think my interior looks beyond cheap, its even worse than my 92' SE.

Old Aug 12, 2002 | 02:05 PM
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Re: Huh?

Originally posted by jjames
You think the interior of the Max looks cheap? Odd. Look, I'm not a Honda hater or anything. (Got a 2001 Civic EX, and a '95 Accord LX), but I can tell you that the interior of the Max is MUCH more appealing than the Honda.

Actually, in my mind, it's apples and oranges. I don't even put the Accords and Camrys in the same class as the Max.

JMO
Agreed. I love my Max interior. Two tone dash, etc. Hondas= PLAIN...oh and slow.
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 02:10 PM
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yes. and for iwannabmw: I had 4 nissans and i want a M5!

Originally posted by jjames
And you're talking about a 2000 Maxima, right?

Oh well, different strokes I guess.

Old Aug 12, 2002 | 02:19 PM
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Old Aug 12, 2002 | 03:20 PM
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Re: Re: Huh?

Originally posted by asu174
Hondas= PLAIN...oh and slow.
i'll agree on the first part. every 2002 honda/Acura (i do mean EVERY) is plain, a complete rip off of another car's design, or substantially ugly (imho).

but slow? Name a Nissan USDM 4 cylinder that does 14s. Name a 2002 Nissan USDM 2door car. Honda does well for what it makes as well as Nissan does well for what i makes... let's avoid generalizations and opinions that you'd like to be facts.

Of course, if you're being sarcastic... then ignore that above statement.

About the thread author... the Civic si is also a hideous beast (imho). The thing could be laced with gold and i wouldn't want to be caught dead in it. It does one thing better than the 00-01 Maximas, handle better.
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 04:25 PM
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And let us not forget:

The Maxima is God's own chariot! (well, at least mine is!)
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 04:42 PM
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I have driven hondas all my life and currently have both a 99 Accord and a 2001 Maxima. Maxima being the first Nissan for me.

IMO the maxima interior is the best. Suspension is the worst.

Another issue maybe reliablity since the maxima has already been back to the dealership a few times for TSB's and one time it didnt start at all. All this for a 10K mile car.

Accord w/ over 50K miles, never been to the dealership other than for an oil change or other general maintenance. And please believe me when I say that its abused and rough handeled in any ways possible. I can say the same for my last accord that was a 91, totalled (theft and vandalism) at 150K miles, no problems. 1985 Accord SEi no problems other than the leaky sunroof atleast as long as I had it (97K miles - 247K miles) totalled (Accident). Only thing I remember that I hated about the accords are Timing belts. I was never happy about that.

I love hondas and their accords, but Maxima brought something that I had missed in the accords all along, excitment... VQ, thats all I have to remind myself of anytime I even think about buying another accord... sedan that is.
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 05:01 PM
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Just what I've heard
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 05:07 PM
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Originally posted by 2K2_6spd



Just what I've heard
Damn Straight!
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 05:18 PM
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Civic SI and Ford Focus. I can't tell a difference on the outside I've owned Honda's and they have been the most reliable trouble free cars I've owned. My 2k2 Maxima is my first Nissan. It's too early to make a reliability statement on my particular car, but I can say that I've never been so infatuated with a car. I like the interior more so than any other car I've been in. I've been in beemer's, Mercedes, yada, yada, yada, but I still prefer the Maxima's interior. Suspension and feel for the road are the only things I find lacking or not equal to the cars mentioned above. However, I paid thousands less and the Accord, Camry, yada, yada, yada aren't up to the challenge in road feel and suspension either. As someone mentioned earlier, different strokes for different folks. The Altima people like their interior, I don't. I guess that's why there's so many different cars out their. Accords lost their appeal to me with their current design and from the looks of the upcoming model, it looks like another crappy looking design. It will probably be a fantastic car to drive if you can get over the looks.
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 05:26 PM
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I'm infatuated with mine too, it's by far the nicest car I've ever known, and that probably keeps me from *****ing about it, cause I'm still jaded
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 05:40 PM
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This is off topic. But the S2000 is definetly all buisness. My older brother owns own and damn that thing zips. While it's pretty sluggish off the line, considering there isn't any torque. But in 3rd gear going just past 6 grand you feel VTEC take over and it's soaring past 110 MPH faster than you can say HOLY ****! Well not really, but it's pretty damn quick!! Oh and the seats in that car are the best seats I've ever sat in, for a stock car.

Now back to the topic. The new Accords, looks pretty ugly IMO it's like Mercedes and Honda teamed up. But with that extra power and 6-spd transmission, it will be interesting too see how quick they really are. Car & Driver estimates 7.0-8.0 0-60. I don't know we'll have to wait and see.
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 06:10 PM
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I dont think there are that many honda haters here. Accord outsells the Maxima, hands down. But it caters to a different demographic. I stated in another thread that Honda doesnt really have a car in the Maxima's class. It competes more on line with the Altima.

The only cars I can think of in the Maxima's class are the Grand Prix, Passat (smaller), and maybe, I said maybe, the Sable.

Honda has the superior engine. Over everyone. And yes the S2000 will smoke the Maxima. But isnt that a little slanted? How many of us (sedan owners) are interested in a 2-seat convertible? Me I guess, because I used to have an MR2. One of the most fun to drive cars I have ever owned. But not everyday.

And I think the Maxima's is one of the classiest interiors I have seen. But I never really looked at any of Honda's interiors.
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 06:41 PM
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Re: Re: Huh?

Originally posted by johnsmax
never thought they were the same class and yes i think my interior looks beyond cheap, its even worse than my 92' SE.

Your dumb. plain and simple. good day sir.
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 06:49 PM
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i just want to throw in my .02 , my mom has a current 5 year lease on a 98 vw passat gls. the thing is a hunk of ****. i dont know how the quality of the 98 max is but im sure, at least i HOPE its better than another leading midsize sedan, the passat. we have taken it in for everything known to man: brakes, noises, worn ****ty tires, bad auto tranny, engine lights... the other crappy thing about owning a european car is that shops charge a CRAP load even though it is just a volkswagen..well thats all i have to say about other midsized sedans..
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 06:54 PM
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Originally posted by JimmyH
I dont think there are that many honda haters here. Accord outsells the Maxima, hands down. But it caters to a different demographic. I stated in another thread that Honda doesnt really have a car in the Maxima's class. It competes more on line with the Altima.

The only cars I can think of in the Maxima's class are the Grand Prix, Passat (smaller), and maybe, I said maybe, the Sable.

Honda has the superior engine. Over everyone. And yes the S2000 will smoke the Maxima. But isnt that a little slanted? How many of us (sedan owners) are interested in a 2-seat convertible? Me I guess, because I used to have an MR2. One of the most fun to drive cars I have ever owned. But not everyday.

And I think the Maxima's is one of the classiest interiors I have seen. But I never really looked at any of Honda's interiors.
The reson you have a hard time thinking of cars that are in the Maxima's class is because most of them are 35K +
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 06:59 PM
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Originally posted by 4DRSpeed
This is off topic. But the S2000 is definetly all buisness. My older brother owns own and damn that thing zips. While it's pretty sluggish off the line, considering there isn't any torque. But in 3rd gear going just past 6 grand you feel VTEC take over and it's soaring past 110 MPH faster than you can say HOLY ****! Well not really, but it's pretty damn quick!! Oh and the seats in that car are the best seats I've ever sat in, for a stock car.

Now back to the topic. The new Accords, looks pretty ugly IMO it's like Mercedes and Honda teamed up. But with that extra power and 6-spd transmission, it will be interesting too see how quick they really are. Car & Driver estimates 7.0-8.0 0-60. I don't know we'll have to wait and see.
I mean S2000's are nice but you have to flog them like hell to get out any performance.
And I love my 2000 Maxima, But I doubt I'll keep it once the lease is up. How can anyone say they don't like the Maximas interior?
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Old Aug 12, 2002 | 07:18 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Huh?

Originally posted by nissanmaximas


Your dumb. plain and simple. good day sir.
not arguing with your opinion... but, your post is about as useless as this thread.

and considering you have a body kit with stock rims
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 07:29 PM
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Hondas don't appeal to me in general but i respect their quality and the handling is better than the maxima (my friend has a 97 accord coupe). Main thing is I hate ricers that talk out of their as$ and most of them drive hondas so by default I hate their cars...which is wrong but thats how i am
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 08:35 PM
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Re: ...

Originally posted by GhettoMAX

Another issue maybe reliablity since the maxima has already been back to the dealership a few times for TSB's and one time it didnt start at all. All this for a 10K mile car.

Accord w/ over 50K miles, never been to the dealership other than for an oil change or other general maintenance. And please believe me [/B]
I don't think one car is enough to see who's more reliable. All manufacturers have less than perfect cars coming out of their production lines at one point or another. Even Lamborghinis (there was a recall last month for the Murcielago up here in Canada. Cars affected: 4).
Anyway, I race my 2000 SE on a regular basis and I've never had a problem with it in over 2 and a half years. Maybe I'm lucky. In any case, for reliability, large samples are needed. But then again, I think everyone here knows that already, it's just funny to see some people say this car is more reliable than this car because I have one of each and this one has more issues. You'll always find someone who also owns both cars (whichever they are) and say the opposite. (Unless of course one of them is a Lada or a domestic vs. a japanese) hehe
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 08:47 PM
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Honda's are GREAT.

Especially Accord V6's!





Seriously, though. Honda's are nice cars. They're just lacking in the low-end torque (and torque in general) and the manual tranny availability department. Other than that they're great cars.
Old Aug 12, 2002 | 09:38 PM
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I smell this thread will get Russed and then locked.

Can we just have a little bit respect to other people's car? regardless it's a Honda or Nissan. Love your own car.....that's all you need.
Old Aug 13, 2002 | 07:46 PM
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Re: ...

Originally posted by GhettoMAX
I have driven hondas all my life and currently have both a 99 Accord and a 2001 Maxima. Maxima being the first Nissan for me.

IMO the maxima interior is the best. Suspension is the worst.

Another issue maybe reliablity since the maxima has already been back to the dealership a few times for TSB's and one time it didnt start at all. All this for a 10K mile car.

I love hondas and their accords, but Maxima brought something that I had missed in the accords all along, excitment... VQ, thats all I have to remind myself of anytime I even think about buying another accord... sedan that is.
Similar to you, I have a 1999 Honda Accord and a 2K2 Maxima. While the Max has much more interior space, I like my Accord's interior much more; from it's large gauge cluster to the comfort of the seats. As for the suspension, my Max has terrible handling characteristics. Though the Potenzas stick well, the suspension setup makes the Max very unsettling. Though my Accord is shod with stock 15s rolling on 205-60HR-15 Dunlops, its much more confident on curves.

Like you, I had the misfortune of having to take my new Max back to the dealer for repairs early in its life: Transverse Link recall, gas pedal stopper replacement and a hood vibration problem were my problems. All this prior to seeing 6k on the odo. That said I do enjoy the Max thoroughly. However, unlike my Accord, I don't plan on keeping the Max when its lease is up.

In fairness to the Maxima though, my Accord's tranny went bad at 37k (just past warranty limit) but Honda did fix it for free.
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The reson you have a hard time thinking of cars that are in the Maxima's class is because most of them are 35K +
If you refer to the TL, isnt the I35 the competition? I see your point though. The Maxima offers alot of the same things as the TL and ES300.

But the TL (even the typeS) and the ES are soft. They dont have driving characteristics that the Maxima has. I have never even been inside an I30, let alone have driven one, but I assume they are more isolated like those cars.

Which brings me back to my whole point with the Accord. It is a great car. No doubts there. But it isnt a driver's car. It's a passenger car.

Just my opinion.
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