2Maxed-out4u

I was at midas today talking to a guy who works their. We were reading in a magazine where the raven exhaust system ($400) will most likely gives maximas around 20 hp. Even though they claim that a lot more than that.

It's supposed to replace the exhaust pipe which starts from your Catalyst converter.(The hole pipe starting from the Cat is going to get replaced, not the cat It's circumfrence allows more air to travel through and makes sure thier are no decreases in circumfrence through the curvatures of the pipe. I'm going to get one this summer. Tell me what ya think.

Also, this is one the rare performance boosters that will not invalidate your waranty

[Edited by 2Maxed-out4u on 12-15-2000 at 05:18 PM]

Jeff92se

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I think your going to get ripped off. Headers and an entirely new exhaust sytem "might" give you 20-25hp. Ain't no way a cat back is gonna come close.

y2kse

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CIRCO

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You said it Y2KSE! No way 25 extra horses! How big are they going to go with the pipes because you will be loosing low end the bigger you go!

2Maxed-out4u

I was not talking about the cat itself, I was talking about the exhaust system starting from the end of your cat to your muffler.

Jeff92se

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Then the hp claims are even more ridiculas. Save yourself some $$ and stay away from this exhaust. If you got some pics, post them for us to see.

Y2KevSE

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Yeah, that's a cat-back.

punkdork

Didn't someone from here dyno with everything after the cat removed and find little to no increase in HP. I thought the basic conclusion was any catback setup would be basically cosmetic and surely not increase performance.

2Maxed-out4u

Y2Kev, The cat will not be touched at all , it's illegall to remove it. If you don't believe the 25 hp increase, go to midas, and ask them about it. They say it will give you like 40 hp, but the salseman said you'd probably get 25 hp.

punkdork

won't that kill low end torque with the lack of back pressure?

Y2KevSE

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The exhaust system from your the back of the cat to your muffler (including it) is a cat-back exhaust. A cat-back exhaust system is the b-pipe plus the muffler.

No way you can gain 40 hp on a Maxima by changing those.

Jeff92se

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Just forget everything I said, just get the exhaust system and enjoy your 25hp

jeffjaw

I think Midas have been dying for profit this xmas, if that exhaust system (WHATEVER, EVEN INCLUDING CAT) there is no way in this planet that will give you suh HP, IF it really does, i think that company should get "best enginering company of the century"""

My 4DSC

My friend/mechanic owns a Midas here in NJ.
He installed one "RAVEN" exhaust on a customers car.
He said the quality was HORRENDOUS & it sounded like $HIT!
He also said that it did absolutely NOTHING for performance.

Don't waste your $$.

Phil02E46

okay.. might work.. ummm but u need some super pink oil too.. i found this stuff.. its guraenteed to increase 30 hp if u use it rightt.. now lemme tell u thins stuff only works well if u have a few corona's layingg around.. thats when it helpss me theo most remember super pink oil it'll give u 30hp even if it doesn't really atleast the sales guy said it would..a nd thats all that matter..

Maxx-s-ter

Yeah!..... and...and.....and... my friend bought this intake that gave him like 35 Hp.... TO THE WHEELS!.... then he put this "Tornado" thing and he got another 20 HP... and... and.... then he took it to the dealer....and....and they did this thing to his engine..... and charged him like $2000.00 and... they said that all the tweaking would give him like 50 Hp..... TO THE WHEELS!.... and.... and this exhaust will give me like 40 Hp.... Man... just wait till I bring my Kia and get all this stuff....

punkdork

I threw a couple V-tek badges on my car and I'm dynoing 250 hp at the wheels now. I can't wait until I get my windshield banner and my new Weapon-R muffler bearings.

Maxx-s-ter

Hope you didn't get offended 2maxed-out4u, I think they are blowing air.

CIRCO

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Hey Maxx-s-ter,

I got the MB's comps too and was wondering where did they/you put the X-over? Yeah, yeah I think you guys broke his ***** enough already!

punkdork

Blowing air... now that will give you 40 hp or more. If the air is being blown by a supercharger.

freeze2k2

This must be a canadian midas shop cause at current exchange rate 25 cdn hp= 11 us hp. And even 11 hp isnt really realistic. Just kiddin around. L8R

y2kse

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After all, the guy is a newbie and may not understand much about exhaust systems.

OK. Here's what you need to know, 2Maxed-out4u. Installing a prefabricated or custom catback exhaust system will give you no more than about a 5 horsepower increase, and most of that increase will occur above 5000 rpm. Anybody tells you any different is full of crap!

Now here's what I want you to do. Go to your Midas shop and tell them you want their 25 horsepower guarantee IN WRITING! Tell them that if they're willing to give you a guarantee, you'll go get your car dyno'd before they install your new exhaust system and you'll bring them the results. Tell them that once they've installed the new exhaust, you'll go back and have your car dyno'd again. Make Midas agree that if you DON'T achieve their touted 25 horsepower increase with the new exhaust system, they'll have to pay for the cost of both dyno runs, remove the catback system, refund your money AND put the stock exhaust system back on your vehicle for free.

That should take care of that!

[Edited by y2kse on 12-15-2000 at 08:29 PM]

CIRCO

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WELL SAID Y2KEV!

Y2KevSE

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Hehehe... wrong person.

Kenneth

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bwhahahah second to liquid horsepower

speedracer

hey maxxster, tell me about this stuff u talkin about please. are u tellint he truth? and if so.. tell mE!

Guest

...And 3 stickers will give me 20hp

Guest

...And 3 stickers will give me 20hp

wht2kmax

Who needs the Stillen S/C kit for 3000 plus clams, when you can get the "Raven" catback for only 400 bucks??????

YOu do the math...

J/k


Jason
00 Maxima SE A/T with 2% secret sauce
Performance:
Cattman Y
2.25" B-Pipe
Stillen Intake

Suspension/ Wheels:
Eibach Pro-Kit
Tokico strut/ shocks
Courtesy FSTB
Stillen RSTB
Addco RSB
Tenzo-R 18X8
Sumitomo HTRZ2 235/40/18

Lighting:
Philip HID Kit
Blue bulbs everywhere
Custom fender markers

Apperance:
Titanium window tint
A/E Door sills
J/T brushed aluminum dash kit
In-Cabin microfilter

Sound:
Stock head unit
Alpine V12 Amp
SAS Bazooka 10"

madmax2k

Yes....GatorMax and I did this on his car. It made a whopping 3 hp gain while blowing out our ear drums in the process. Id stay away from all aftermarket exhausts performance wise. They just wont give much, if any gain. If its tone you want, go ahead. Just dont expect to make much more power.

Maxx-s-ter

I put them inside the door panels, above the speaker where there is a bulge in the panel, take off the panel and you'll see what I am talking about. You have to play with the correct placement.

Maxx-s-ter

All of these claims are bull-sh*t sales pitches that shops or manufaturers claim, just to sell a stupid modification. To me the only good performance Bolt-ons are, Filter 4-6HP, y-pipe 8-12 HP, Exhaust 6-8 Hp, Supercharger MUCHO Power.

Cumalot

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And then? And then? And then? NO MORE AND THEN?!

CIRCO

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I have them in the door also but I have them to the left of the speaker and I secured it. But I think I may have a slight rubbing problem though. Did you have this prob?

Maxx-s-ter

Which cross overs do you have the MiniComp ones or the MusiComp's. I have the Musicomp's, so the only way they would fit was to put them in the bulge where the window controls rest. I don['t get rubbing since they don't move.

CIRCO

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Yeah I have the MusiComp's, but I don't know where you are talking about on the bulge. I have them to the left of the bulge and I secured it with a metal strip that I could screw into. I don't quite remember about the spacing so maybe after work today I'll go home and check it out. How did you secure it? Did you screw into the paneling, cuz that cross over is huge. Thanks for your help though!