with that kind of talk, it seems like it's pointless to mod the exhuast and UDP or whatever. the extra 20 or so hp isn't going to make that much of a difference. This is so discouraging to know that maxima owners on the forum are not into making their car as fast as possible without compromising the quality of the car.

 

What kind of talk?

30+ hp from bolt ons is certainly worth the effort. It does make a noticeable difference in the way the car performs.

 

which part are you not getting??

It is a matter of economics. There are those of us who have other things in life (house, other vehicles, etc.) to spend our money on, and there are those with either less other duties or the $$$ to cover all, and they typically would just go buy a better car.

I really like my AE, but don't get me wrong...I and others here would easily take their Max's, another $5-7k (about what a FULLY modded Max would have in parts, labor, etc.) and buy a G35, 330, etc. and get better handling, better aftermarket support, and better service.

Most Max owners are and were looking for bang for the buck. While they are 'into' the bang, often they are not 'into' the buck side...

 

I paid $18,000 for the car. I have spent about $5000 (give or take) in mods. That means that I am $23,000 deep in my car. Another $4200 for a turbo puts me at $27,200.

Do I want to spend $27,200 on a car worth $15,000? Not really. The worst part about modding is that you are basically throwing money away. Bolt-ons make the car fun to drive. But for $27,300, I could buy a nice, pre-owned Z in a year or two.

Let the saving begin.

 

And let's not forget the often detrimental effects on trade in or sale.

Modded cars are assumed (and quite frankly, rightly so) to have been more aggressively driven (and possibly beaten upon).

 

who is getting 30+hp from bolt ons? Exhuast and Intake and UDP will give 20hp? what else is there that you can mod on 2k2 maxi to make more hp? besides nos of course..... If i am correct about the hp numbers, is it worth the time and money to crank out 20more hp? even with 30+hp, it still doesn't really put us in the next category of cars, speed wise that is. I think I will just stop with a CAI, cuz it makes the car sound good. and get wheels and clear corners to dress it up.

 

Y Pipe- but not available for 2K2.....yet.
Test Pipe or High Flow Cat

 

Yeah if the Torque steer doesn't send you into a wall!
Stupid FF platform.

 

ypipe: 10-15 hp $200-400
intake: 2-7 hp $50-200
exhaust: 5 hp $400
udp: 5 hp $200?

Total: 22-32 hp $850-$1200
Dollars Per HP: 38.6 - 37.5

That will bump a 222hp 5th gen to 244-254hp. thats quite a jump. and we're not talking about torque.
That will also bump a 255 5th gen to 277-287 hp. all for about a grand.

 

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned has mentioned this:

MardigrasMax has a 98 Maxima with ~350hp to the wheels. An SC and NOx helped.

Nealoc broke the 13 sec barrier, ALL MOTOR, in a 96 Maxima.

Maybe all you 2K+ guys should sell your cars and buy a 4th gen

DW

 

If you really want to accomplish this you could always find a 1st gen maxima and use a GTR engine and transmission.

 

Here is a link for some videos of those 10 second vehicles in action. The max is far from getting there. (Please right click and "save as"


http://128.242.197.146/video

By the way, if anyone else has some good video action let me know, I might load you up here.

 

Discouraging? Why? If you just wanna go as fast as possible, get a real sports car, or even better get a bike.

Frankly, I'm surprised this topic has lasted as long as it has. This is rediculous. If you live your life a quarter-mile at a time, and for those 10 seconds or less you are free, then buy a different car. Trade in the Max because you are obviously not happy with it, nor will you ever be happy with it without sacrificing the quality and luxuries of the car.

 

also remember.....Y2kevSE has not ran his 2k max on track and he turbo install is coming soon. SR20DEN is now in the 12s.


but ture....5th gens are too heavy. we need a big time weight loss. (like that sentra that got a 2 second E/T increase by chopping everything off)

 

Oh i am happy with my car. I am very happy with it. I dont know what makes you think I am not happy with my car. There aren't that many cars out there that's faster than the maxima. I like my heated steering wheel feature the most, it's so warm, warms my hands up.

 

Yeah, with the ypipe and exhaust the car will sound loud as hell. that would be comprimsing the luxury of the car for me. dont know how you guys feel. and is there a ypipe for 02 and 03??

 

Don't forget that mod's are not necessarily additive and the figures for mods are almost always phrased 'up to X hp'.

 

emax95 has a ypipe for his 2k2 and with the ypipe and bpipe...ur car will not sound loud.

to me, luxury and performance do not go together.

 

Shame you think that way...guess you will never appreciate an AMG or M.

 

I do! they are everyone's dream. IMO, luxury features and comfy ride do not go with performance.

GTR = performance

745i = luxury

S55 or BMW850 = fast luxury car

 

well, this seems to no longer be about making maxima engine produce more hp....oh well...........
99 replies and 2132 views...hehehehehehe......

 

I've been scanning these boards alot trying to find the best combo for Exhaust. I, like you, want the most power without sacrificing noise. Any exhaust drone is completely un-acceptable to me. It seems to the consesus on this board that if you get a Y pipe, a B pipe, and leave the stock muffler, noise levels may rise, but it will only be a small deviation from the stock sound. You should look into that.

DW

 

I'm pretty sure he was thinking of the E55 and the M5. Very high performance and very high luxury. Un-beatable.

DW

 

wish someone would post up an audio link for a setup on 2k2 maxima with stock muffler and y pipe and b pipe. intake or not, doesn't matter

 

thought performance is more than just acceleration? M5 and E55 are powerful monsters...but its bulky body is not ideal for cornering. Yes! it handles good.....but can it be as agile as a Lancer Evo 5? I doubt it.....

 

APPLES AND BANANAS!!!!


Two totally different classes, types, just about everything is different.

Funny thing is... take that Stock lancer EVO, and take that M5. Go to a long country/mountain road..... I bet that M5 still eats that little pocket car for lunch. Stock for stock, the M5 is still a better all around car.

 

Also, M5 is literally twice as much as an Evolution is. You get great performance from both cars but added luxury in the M5.

Although, you don't see m5's tearing it up in the World Rally Championships..

 

Yes, you are right. I think if I had the choice. pay the extra for the M5 or get the EVO and roll over the rest to mods..... I would take the M5. In the END, the EVO is still just a crappy $20k mitsubishi that no dealership will give you more than $13k for.

I would take the M5 over just about most things on the road. Fits my needs better and I would be happier with it in the long run.

 

You're right about everything except the value of the EVO. If you can find me an EVO that's 20K, I will buy it right this second and pay you just for finding it. That car is 30K MSRP (estimated) and the dealers will mark up the prices because it's rare and everyone wants one (Supply and Demand).
I would defenitely take the power of an M over a cramped japanese car too. That won't happen to me anytime soon

 

Yes 30k MSRP, but..... drive it off the lot and now it is worth 20k. Hence my 20k comment.

By the way..... :naughty MMMMM-5

 

Food for thought,

Car and Driver posted a time of 14.5 in the 1/4 for the GS430t, they also posted a time of 13.2 for the M5 in another article. That means bone stock Max's can already keep up with the GS430. 2K2 owners are going to need serious mods to keep up with the M5.

 

thank you for proving my point....it's two different classes of cars performance wise, Evo's small chasis and AWD has a lot of advantage. Accelration is only one of the many factors that determines a car as a performance car.

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Funny thing is... take that Stock lancer EVO, and take that M5. Go to a long country/mountain road..... I bet that M5 still eats that little pocket car for lunch.

really....how come I dont see many(any?) M5s in rally racing. Those two cars are different class like u said and they are designed for different purpose. Lancer Evo. are designed to comeplete a track with shortest time while M5 is a luxury car with enormous power. The small frame and limited space of the Evo are essential for its purpose and it cannot allow to have any luxury feature like M5. Stock to stock, M5 will mow down the evo in a straight line. but when it comes to turns, it will take much more distance for the heavy M5 to slow down to entering speed and it will take shorter time for Evo to exit with its AWD and lighter weight.

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Stock for stock, the M5 is still a better all around car.

it is....I agreed and I would pick the M5 too if I have the option to pick one. Because M5 is comfy and a lot of features while the Evo is a small car. I think that normal daily drivers like us will not be able to fully utilize Evo's performance features. Plus, I think chicks will dig the M5 (well, over age 24 will dig the M5, under 24 to 16 will dig the Evo)

 

There are ton of 5th gens in 10s (even slow automagic me)


















on a 1/8th mile track

 

Now... I see and know exactly what you are talking about, but, you dont see anything in Rally except all wheel drive cars, because of terrain needs.

Now, you mention cornering speeds as if the EVO will take that corner like it is a train on rails. Oh yeah, it has to power-slide the corner to take it fast. Well, I have seen many BMWs drift corners as good if not faster than an all wheel drive. Now, most people know, that pretty much the best performance and natural road corning cars are Rear wheel drive. Yes I can see the EVO coming out of the slide/corner fast due to traction at all wheels, but that M5 will come out just as fast if not faster due to it's power.

By the way - I love all this philisofical BS we are throwing around, but we will never know until we get some dood with a stock EVO and someone with a stock M5 to go run on a country road and see what happens. Anyhoo, I gotta go watch the news, they just had a guy get shot at a gas station out here in Manassas, VA. Sounds like the sniper guy is making another round in VA.

Take care all.

 

then how come u have 15.2sec 1/8th ?

j/k.....that's a nice time for 1/4. u must have a factory strong tranny and engine. did u torque brake?

 

I :
1) torque braked to about 2k and
2) was running on bald(no tread whatsoever) Toyo Proxes
3) at 20PSI front 40 PSI back
4) burned them out with no mercy(took them off the car and threw them out two days later)
5) NYIRP(upsate ny, about 600 ft elevation) in spring at 58 degrees F
6) against a freakin' hyndai elantra - would've had to kill myself if I lost
timeslip here

Gonna try to get some good runs in this weekend - its cold again and i got couple of toys since

 

Dudes if honda, subaru and vw boyz can squeeze out 300-600 hp out of their 4 bangers, then why cant lets say 800hp be made out of a fine VQ motor? It will probably have only a VQ name on it, everything custom inside, but still?

 

I've been asking that question for a long time, but...
1. Those 4 bangers usually have plenty of space under the hood for forced induction
2. Strengthening the internals of a V6 engine costs exponentialy more than a V4. Think of the addition rods, pistons, injectors, valves, valve springs, etc in a V6. I would guess if it costs 10K to strengthen the internals of a 4 cylinder, it would cost 20K for a V6. We haven't added the forced induction yet.

 

who, Honda cars have more space under the hood? I dont think so.

 

300 - 600hp means serious engine rebuilt/swap.... i.e. that 7second Celica doesnt run on a celica engine, but a Tundra V8 engien with twin turbo...a much stronger bullet proof tranny, major weight reduction.

Maksim2000 : thx for the info

dblrr900 : I have seen RWD/FWD in rally racing..it is not necessary limited to AWD cars, but AWD cars have more advantage in rally racing b/c the road condition. IMO (I never took and will not any corner this hard) the most efficient cornering is to maximize entering speed, maintain high RPM, take the shortest distance and then quickly restore speed when exit. Drifting allows higher entering speed because all 4 wheels will help in reducing speed. Plus, BMW's torque maxed out at low rpm.....which makes restoring the speed much easier when exit.