10 Second 2k2 maxima
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Originally posted by woreyah
Have you looked under the hood of a Civic hatchback??? or Any 4 cylinder honda?
Have you looked under the hood of a Civic hatchback??? or Any 4 cylinder honda?
It also doesnt cost 10k to build up those motors. if you are looking at serious racing and power yes, actually more than that, roughly about 18 - 20k. If you just want street power with a turbo popping about 300-350 at the wheels, that is prolly about 2-5k worth of work.
Heck, when I was a honda boy, I had my entire 1.8 head reworked and built up for $1100. All that and about 20-30 HP instantly.
That same upgrade on our cars would be well over 2500 due to two banks and difficulty of getting parts.
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Originally posted by [maxi-overdose]
300 - 600hp means serious engine rebuilt/swap.... i.e. that 7second Celica doesnt run on a celica engine, but a Tundra V8 engien with twin turbo...a much stronger bullet proof tranny, major weight reduction.
Maksim2000 : thx for the info
dblrr900 : I have seen RWD/FWD in rally racing..it is not necessary limited to AWD cars, but AWD cars have more advantage in rally racing b/c the road condition. IMO (I never took and will not any corner this hard) the most efficient cornering is to maximize entering speed, maintain high RPM, take the shortest distance and then quickly restore speed when exit. Drifting allows higher entering speed because all 4 wheels will help in reducing speed. Plus, BMW's torque maxed out at low rpm.....which makes restoring the speed much easier when exit.
300 - 600hp means serious engine rebuilt/swap.... i.e. that 7second Celica doesnt run on a celica engine, but a Tundra V8 engien with twin turbo...a much stronger bullet proof tranny, major weight reduction.
Maksim2000 : thx for the info
dblrr900 : I have seen RWD/FWD in rally racing..it is not necessary limited to AWD cars, but AWD cars have more advantage in rally racing b/c the road condition. IMO (I never took and will not any corner this hard) the most efficient cornering is to maximize entering speed, maintain high RPM, take the shortest distance and then quickly restore speed when exit. Drifting allows higher entering speed because all 4 wheels will help in reducing speed. Plus, BMW's torque maxed out at low rpm.....which makes restoring the speed much easier when exit.
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Originally posted by slickrick
theirs no way a stock 2k2 auto can keep up with a stock gs430. those things dip. now a gs300 i can take because we used to have 1.
theirs no way a stock 2k2 auto can keep up with a stock gs430. those things dip. now a gs300 i can take because we used to have 1.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by SkylineGTR
[B]a car of our weight, needs at least 600WHP to even break into 10s, and thats on slicks. 600WHP is close to 700 at teh flywheel, the block isnt strong enough to put that power out.
how about if you put braces around it to strengthen it
[B]a car of our weight, needs at least 600WHP to even break into 10s, and thats on slicks. 600WHP is close to 700 at teh flywheel, the block isnt strong enough to put that power out.
how about if you put braces around it to strengthen it
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Y2KMaxGXE-R
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Actually the crankshaft would go before the block would. We were just discussing this in another thread, about how they were trying to put a VQ above 500 HP but the crank blew.
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Originally posted by SkylineGTR
a car of our weight, needs at least 600WHP to even break into 10s, and thats on slicks. 600WHP is close to 700 at teh flywheel, the block isnt strong enough to put that power out.
how about if you put braces around it to strengthen it
a car of our weight, needs at least 600WHP to even break into 10s, and thats on slicks. 600WHP is close to 700 at teh flywheel, the block isnt strong enough to put that power out.
how about if you put braces around it to strengthen it
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Originally posted by Kojiro_FtT
Actually the crankshaft would go before the block would. We were just discussing this in another thread, about how they were trying to put a VQ above 500 HP but the crank blew.
Actually the crankshaft would go before the block would. We were just discussing this in another thread, about how they were trying to put a VQ above 500 HP but the crank blew.
Originally posted by Kojiro_FtT
Actually the crankshaft would go before the block would. We were just discussing this in another thread, about how they were trying to put a VQ above 500 HP but the crank blew.
Actually the crankshaft would go before the block would. We were just discussing this in another thread, about how they were trying to put a VQ above 500 HP but the crank blew.
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Originally posted by SR20DEN
What thread was this? I and some others speculated that the cylender bores are the weakest link in the entire engine.
What thread was this? I and some others speculated that the cylender bores are the weakest link in the entire engine.
Black VQ and ChinkZilla were discussing JGTC and some engine experiments.
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poweredbynissan, check out www.howstuffworks.com and read all of the stuff about cars. It'll explain some of the newbee questions you have.
You could do 10's in a maxima if you turned the engine 90 degrees, mated the flywheel to a RWD tranny, built a driveshaft, and built a custom rear end with an LSD. That's the only way. As many people have stated in this thread FWD + a big car won't do 10's. What's the big deal with 10's anyway? You guys gotta turn Fast and Furious off and switch the channel to speedvision.
You could do 10's in a maxima if you turned the engine 90 degrees, mated the flywheel to a RWD tranny, built a driveshaft, and built a custom rear end with an LSD. That's the only way. As many people have stated in this thread FWD + a big car won't do 10's. What's the big deal with 10's anyway? You guys gotta turn Fast and Furious off and switch the channel to speedvision.
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Originally posted by kenshiro
poweredbynissan, check out www.howstuffworks.com and read all of the stuff about cars. It'll explain some of the newbee questions you have.
You could do 10's in a maxima if you turned the engine 90 degrees, mated the flywheel to a RWD tranny, built a driveshaft, and built a custom rear end with an LSD. That's the only way. As many people have stated in this thread FWD + a big car won't do 10's. What's the big deal with 10's anyway? You guys gotta turn Fast and Furious off and switch the channel to speedvision.
poweredbynissan, check out www.howstuffworks.com and read all of the stuff about cars. It'll explain some of the newbee questions you have.
You could do 10's in a maxima if you turned the engine 90 degrees, mated the flywheel to a RWD tranny, built a driveshaft, and built a custom rear end with an LSD. That's the only way. As many people have stated in this thread FWD + a big car won't do 10's. What's the big deal with 10's anyway? You guys gotta turn Fast and Furious off and switch the channel to speedvision.
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Originally posted by Kojiro_FtT
He's talking about the FWD cars that really do 10's. Well, to start with they have like 15" wide slicks and a traction bar in the rear. The steering is prolly rigged up so it will not pull so easy with torque steer.
He's talking about the FWD cars that really do 10's. Well, to start with they have like 15" wide slicks and a traction bar in the rear. The steering is prolly rigged up so it will not pull so easy with torque steer.
Let's build a 4 second maxima without NOS
"Ok guys, what would it take to make a maxima break into the 4's?"
The reply by kenshiro:
"dude you need this body kit to do it: http://bmeltd.com/dragster.htm"
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It's not about F&F at all. Ever since I first read about tuning, the 10 second 1/4 mile has been the most coveted(spelling?) time. I can remember reading about the first(I think) CRX with 450HP breaking the 10 second barrier. I remeber when Adam Swaratari(spelling again?) breaking the 10 second barrier in his RX7. And on and on and on.
The 10 second 1/4 is STILL not common amoung street cars, hell, it's still rare!
The 10 second 1/4 is STILL not common amoung street cars, hell, it's still rare!
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Originally posted by woreyah
It's not about F&F at all. Ever since I first read about tuning, the 10 second 1/4 mile has been the most coveted(spelling?) time. I can remember reading about the first(I think) CRX with 450HP breaking the 10 second barrier. I remeber when Adam Swaratari(spelling again?) breaking the 10 second barrier in his RX7. And on and on and on.
The 10 second 1/4 is STILL not common amoung street cars, hell, it's still rare!
It's not about F&F at all. Ever since I first read about tuning, the 10 second 1/4 mile has been the most coveted(spelling?) time. I can remember reading about the first(I think) CRX with 450HP breaking the 10 second barrier. I remeber when Adam Swaratari(spelling again?) breaking the 10 second barrier in his RX7. And on and on and on.
The 10 second 1/4 is STILL not common amoung street cars, hell, it's still rare!
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Originally posted by kenshiro
Dude, if you had a 10 second street car you'd kill yourself. I have a high 12 / low 13 car and I nearly kill myself in it. A ten second car under full throttle is hard to keep in a straight line.
Dude, if you had a 10 second street car you'd kill yourself. I have a high 12 / low 13 car and I nearly kill myself in it. A ten second car under full throttle is hard to keep in a straight line.
Just because I have a 10 second street car does not mean I have to floor it everywhere I go. That is what you call a moron. Honestly, I barely push my stock Maxima to the limits.
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Originally posted by woreyah
People get me when they say things like that...
Just because I have a 10 second street car does not mean I have to floor it everywhere I go. That is what you call a moron. Honestly, I barely push my stock Maxima to the limits.
People get me when they say things like that...
Just because I have a 10 second street car does not mean I have to floor it everywhere I go. That is what you call a moron. Honestly, I barely push my stock Maxima to the limits.
Some day I'll build my dream car. I want to drop a Chevy/Lotus LT5 engine into my Datsun 240Z. 500HP in a little tiny < 2500 lbs car... Drool...
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Originally posted by kenshiro
What's the point of having a 10 second car if you never drive it to its limits? If you never do then you can just drive the same speed in a 13 second car.
Some day I'll build my dream car. I want to drop a Chevy/Lotus LT5 engine into my Datsun 240Z. 500HP in a little tiny < 2500 lbs car... Drool...
What's the point of having a 10 second car if you never drive it to its limits? If you never do then you can just drive the same speed in a 13 second car.
Some day I'll build my dream car. I want to drop a Chevy/Lotus LT5 engine into my Datsun 240Z. 500HP in a little tiny < 2500 lbs car... Drool...
A 13 second car will never drive like a 10 second car whether you're going 60, 80, or 100+ mph. Think about it! A 10 second car is quicker throughout the RPM range maaaannnn!
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Originally posted by woreyah
Wrong again...
A 13 second car will never drive like a 10 second car whether you're going 60, 80, or 100+ mph. Think about it! A 10 second car is quicker throughout the RPM range maaaannnn!
Wrong again...
A 13 second car will never drive like a 10 second car whether you're going 60, 80, or 100+ mph. Think about it! A 10 second car is quicker throughout the RPM range maaaannnn!
My point is nobody needs a 10 second street car. It's too dangerous.
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Originally posted by kenshiro
But I thought you said you weren't going to fully utilize the potential of the 10 second car? If you accelerate faster between 60, 80 or whatever that means you are in fact accelerating faster, thus you are more likely to kill yourself than in your 13 second car. That's what I'm saying. Faster = more dangerous = kill your freakin self.
My point is nobody needs a 10 second street car. It's too dangerous.
But I thought you said you weren't going to fully utilize the potential of the 10 second car? If you accelerate faster between 60, 80 or whatever that means you are in fact accelerating faster, thus you are more likely to kill yourself than in your 13 second car. That's what I'm saying. Faster = more dangerous = kill your freakin self.
My point is nobody needs a 10 second street car. It's too dangerous.
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Originally posted by kenshiro
But I thought you said you weren't going to fully utilize the potential of the 10 second car? If you accelerate faster between 60, 80 or whatever that means you are in fact accelerating faster, thus you are more likely to kill yourself than in your 13 second car. That's what I'm saying. Faster = more dangerous = kill your freakin self.
My point is nobody needs a 10 second street car. It's too dangerous.
But I thought you said you weren't going to fully utilize the potential of the 10 second car? If you accelerate faster between 60, 80 or whatever that means you are in fact accelerating faster, thus you are more likely to kill yourself than in your 13 second car. That's what I'm saying. Faster = more dangerous = kill your freakin self.
My point is nobody needs a 10 second street car. It's too dangerous.
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Originally posted by GLE02NJ
um..twin turbo for starters...are u serious about this question?!
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Also, you see a lot of parts copying the Skyline...such as body kits and lights. Do you see any cars with maxima emblems or lights on them? I doubt it. (This shows how much of a legend the skyline is and how popular it will become once it gets here in the US)
um..twin turbo for starters...are u serious about this question?!
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Also, you see a lot of parts copying the Skyline...such as body kits and lights. Do you see any cars with maxima emblems or lights on them? I doubt it. (This shows how much of a legend the skyline is and how popular it will become once it gets here in the US)
Originally posted by PoweredbyNissan
ferrari and lamborgini drive just fine on the street. do they not? they can run pretty close to 10 seconds or 11... no?
ferrari and lamborgini drive just fine on the street. do they not? they can run pretty close to 10 seconds or 11... no?
10s? MAYBE you're talkin about the special edition Feraris, like the F50, F60, or the new Enzo that came out. Even then I doubt it.
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lots of supercars can break into 10s with the modifications available to them, and im sure their plenty safe for everyday driving, not that u would drive a car of that expense everyday. my neighbor had a mid 70s camaro LT, twin T70,new motor, built internals etc... pushing only 15psi for street, and @ 15psi he ran 9.9xx @ 15x.xx mph, he drives that thing everywhere, as long as u dont floor it everywhere u go, it drives just fine.
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Originally posted by PoweredbyNissan
ferrari and lamborgini drive just fine on the street. do they not? they can run pretty close to 10 seconds or 11... no?
ferrari and lamborgini drive just fine on the street. do they not? they can run pretty close to 10 seconds or 11... no?
Yea...really...there is SO MUCH misinformation on this thread it's incredible.
Guys saying the VQ can't handle 14psi when we have a member running 14psi on stock internals....
FYI - our cars are not drag cars, they don't have the aftermarket to be drag cars and no one in their right mind would attempt to make a 10 second maxima....
Guys saying the VQ can't handle 14psi when we have a member running 14psi on stock internals....
FYI - our cars are not drag cars, they don't have the aftermarket to be drag cars and no one in their right mind would attempt to make a 10 second maxima....
This thread is ghey. You know I am sick of getting email notifications on this thread, I do not even check it anymore. Here is a point! YOU CAN MAKE ANY CAR A 10 SECOND CAR NO MATTER WHAT! The reason we mod our Max's is because of the Max Factor! It looks nice, has room, handles well, has power and little bit of everything out of a daily driver. If you were to strip it and go crazy it is NOT a Maxima and therefore what is the point? might as well have a pinto with a 2.4 turbo, because you will not drive a 10sec Max daily PERIOD. Bottom line, keep driving your Max and modding it have fun if you have a 1st,2nd3rd,4th,5th, or a new 6th gen enjoy, much Love to all Max owners and good luck.
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Originally posted by woreyah
GUYS, GUYS, GUYS, come on...Do I need to give some examples...(I would give some but my links are at work)
I posted a link on a thread(the thread was removed) on an Integra running 10.88 that was a daily driver. There are daily driver supras running 11s, 300zx's running 11's, IS300s and on and on and on. These cars have not been stripped the body panels are mainly stock and most have interiors. I've read about them on the net and in all the magazines and what it took to get there. Again, it is possible.
The philosophy of tuning is simple, more air and more fuel means more power. The challenge is to strengthen the internals to take those kinds of forces. From what I've read, FWD is not an issue.
Hell, most imports of FWD.
GUYS, GUYS, GUYS, come on...Do I need to give some examples...(I would give some but my links are at work)
I posted a link on a thread(the thread was removed) on an Integra running 10.88 that was a daily driver. There are daily driver supras running 11s, 300zx's running 11's, IS300s and on and on and on. These cars have not been stripped the body panels are mainly stock and most have interiors. I've read about them on the net and in all the magazines and what it took to get there. Again, it is possible.
The philosophy of tuning is simple, more air and more fuel means more power. The challenge is to strengthen the internals to take those kinds of forces. From what I've read, FWD is not an issue.
Hell, most imports of FWD.
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a 3000lbs car needs roughly 600whp to achieve 10s, i stated this earlier, well as far as i know, no ones actually gone as far as to make a 600+hp VQ, but if the engine was built to make that power, and assuming the axles and joints can handle that power, and if assuming it can gain traction, then a 10sec max is possible.
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...whoever is still trying to convince someone that multiple 10sec passes in a maxima... should leave the board now.
Want a 10sec Maxima. Drop a VG30DETT in it, longitudially mount the engine, build a new firewall to allow the bellhousing of a Z32 tranny (or even a powerglide)... custom drive shaft, custom rear end....and away you go.
Want a FWD Maxima. Take a loan out for $35K and begin R&D'ing cranks for the VQ, rods, and pistons.
a 13sec Honda can be had for under $5K...NA.
a 11sec Honda can be had for under $10K...turboed.
So, whoever said it'll be $20K is on drugs.
Excluding suspension/safety, I have a $3000 mid-14 sec honda ($1800 for the car, $1200 for the engine/tranny/mounts). It's FAR easier to go faster in a honda than a Maxima... it's just the Maxima is FAR nicer than any honda. Plus, Torque is nice.
Want a 10sec Maxima. Drop a VG30DETT in it, longitudially mount the engine, build a new firewall to allow the bellhousing of a Z32 tranny (or even a powerglide)... custom drive shaft, custom rear end....and away you go.
Want a FWD Maxima. Take a loan out for $35K and begin R&D'ing cranks for the VQ, rods, and pistons.
a 13sec Honda can be had for under $5K...NA.
a 11sec Honda can be had for under $10K...turboed.
So, whoever said it'll be $20K is on drugs.
Excluding suspension/safety, I have a $3000 mid-14 sec honda ($1800 for the car, $1200 for the engine/tranny/mounts). It's FAR easier to go faster in a honda than a Maxima... it's just the Maxima is FAR nicer than any honda. Plus, Torque is nice.