I think the weight/power ratios of both cars are similar. Even if the magazines test the cars to be, say, 0.5s apart 0-60, in the real world it will be a wash due to reaction times.

 

or drivers

 

beat.. not spank

 

SRT4?

 

Definately beat.

 

It's Dodge's new Neon rice rocket beater. The specs make it sound quite hot. 215HP turbo 4-cylinder engine, 0-60 in about 5.9 seconds, 17" wheels...the works.

I'm going to hate it when the kids who buy this car are going to start revving on my Sentra SE-R.

 

Nuff said. I won't f ck with em.

 

It is called a boost controller once it is in the car it's all over. Unless you have nitrous or some form of forced induction.

 

i heard that dodge was only producing a handful of these so hopefully we wont have to see a million of these on the streets.

 

definately beat. I want one!!! .5 sec slower than 350z in 0-60.

 

Its interesting you ask..

First off, I own and manage one of the largest Neon tuning shops in the USA. www.modernperformance.com

I have owned several neons, and at this moment own a 03 Maxima, 6spd, lsd, leather, with mods..

I WILL be getting an SRT4 here shortly..and Im sure several of my employees will be too.

But, trust me, hands down.. the SRT4 will smoke just about any maxima.I dont say that out of disrespect either.

Think about the last SCC mag dyno.. 223 hp and like 222 torque at the wheels. Thats more power than my 03 Max is putting to the ground modified.. And the SRT4 they had was stock !

And, of course the Max is only like 1000 lbs heavier than the SRT4 too.

I love my Max, and I will keep it even after I get an SRT4 as there will be times I want to drive a larger car or take a road trip.. But its the SRT4 Ill have that will be tearing up the streets and local imports..



OH, and btw.. for those of you who dont know about the SRT4 - its a 2.4 four cylinder, turbo with fmic Neon.. =)

http://telebofh.com/Forum/SRT04.jpg

 

yeah it may be a better bang for the buck but overall the maxima wins the prize because its got power, size, and luxury. id rather be riding in a max anyday over a neon. its stil a neon.

 

Short Answer: Yes, on paper!! Provided the driver can effectively get traction. The dorks at Car & Driver ran a 14.2 second ET. (Somehow, the grannyshifted the 6sp Maxima to a 14.7 second ET.) However, a car is only as good as its driver. So, I'm guessing we'll see a few representing at the track during 2003.

IMO, there are better cars out there in the Neon's class than the SRT4 (though not faster); the RSX-S and Celica GT-S immediately come to mind. But, I for one would rather get a Mazdaspeed Protege and have a boost controller installed. I'll bet if the MP were running 14psi (a la SRT4) it'll be as quick as the SRT4 AND have Integra Type R style handling to boot.

Peace.

 

isnt 5.9 the average 0-60 for 6sp?

and 14.2 for the 1/4 for the SRT4, lightly moded 6sp can get into 13s...so its about the same, if you get a turbo on a 2k2/2k3, than SRT4 is a bye bye

 

What ? What a dumb response. You take a 30K car and then put turbos on it and tune it ? Then your what.. easily into 35k ?

The SRT4 is a 19k car.. from the factory..

The response should have been.. put a mopar computer upgrade, air intake on the SRT4, and youll have 300hp, or a car that would run right along a C5 corvette.

The Maxima is nothing like the SRT4. Its an awesome car, with lots of power, and a decent aftermarket, but the SRT4 is a whole different animal..

 

Those numbers came off a TEST car. It will not be like that when it's released to the public. It didn't even have a muffler or legal exhaust for god's sake. When it comes out we'll know I guess. By the way the engine is the exact same thing as the PT TURBO which has exact same numbers 215hp\245tq at the CRANK...

 

I agree.. I love my max but the aftermarket for the Neon is a lot bigger than the Max.. Back when I had my neon this guy on line had a Neon that was pushing 350hp.. But back to the question.. Yes I believe the SRT4 will beat a max stock for stock..

 

I agree with you, what I have found on this board is it is senseless trying to point anything out to these people most of them anyway. A simple 300-500 in upgrades on the Neon and it will rock bottom line. The only thing is the cars are not in the same class as far as car luxury and all the other B.S. I like my Maxima but im sorry to say it isn't the best car to work with for performance but it is all I have for now. It's a Maxima board so it's expected. I'm not sure if it will beat the Maxima in stock trim but it is very possible.

 

Another thing I find funny is everyone always talks about "in stock trim" come on be serious how many of us keep our cars stock.

 

SRT-4 will win.

Its a turbo car !!!! simple bolt on's and a boost controller its a beast. Its a hardcore sports car, 2.4L turbo!! man that thing is sick, and for $19K its even better, cheap price for such a fast car. The neon SRT4 + mopar parts it could run with a $100K + Porsche turbo.

 

ppl on this board are indeed morons. "But the max has 4 doors.....but the max is bigger.." Who gives a flying ****, the original question is "can the srt4 spank the max?" And the answer is YES YES YES. For the cost of some of your exhaust setups (~$500), the little neon would indeed RAPE the max.

 

Yes

 

why is a guy with 2 porches and a m3 on this board anyway? gimme the neon with a few mods and let me own his porsche

show me a "lightly moded" max in the 13s. hell, half the guys on the board are "lightly moded" and i count only a couple in the 13s

 

making friends....

Not everybody has the same concept of 'beat'. I'm fairly sure a rocket assisted big wheel or green machine could take my max 0-60. feh...

Isn't the bigger question here can a SC or Turbo max hang with a 996? {runs to hide behind the blast shield}

 

What I don't understand is why some of you even care if the Neon SRT-4 can beat the Maxima or not. They are both different class cars, apples to oranges, and all that kind of stuff.

That Neon should be compared to the likes of a Civic SI, Sentra SE-R Spec V, and the WRX. There is no real reason to compare it, or any of those kinds of econobox rockets, to the Maxima or cars that compete with the Maxima.

Just because the Neon SRT-4 is fast doesn't mean it's a Maxima-level car. Just because the Maxima is fast for what it is, doesn't mean it should be gunning for smaller vehicles. It just doesn't make sense.

Remember, our car is a value-minded, 4-door, mid-size, sports sedan. It should be going against the Accord, Mazda 6, Camry, and all other relatively-inexpensive mid-size sedans from America, Japan, and Europe.

Would a magazine have a feature article comparing four econo-sports cars with a Maxima? Or four near-luxury sedans with one Neon? I doubt it. And you shouldn't either. It's just not worth how much thought (and sometimes how much anger you build up) some of you put into a question like 'how is my Maxima going to beat this <insert smaller, quicker, lighter car>?'

Just my two cents. Peace.

 

Ding! We have a winner. I think most missed that.

 

Whose is going to last longer?

Have them come back in about 60K when the turbo is all used up and they need to crank out some $$$ to fix it. Remember the turbo Lebarons, Daytona and what not. Remember the horrendous failure rate? I do.

Chrysler has NOT made any increased effort in quality, not that Nissan has that vote either. But if you are REALLY interested, go check out the interior/exterior of a current model Max and current Model Neon. Check door jambs, welds, engine bay. Check the fit and finish of the plastic inside. Shut the door for cryin out loud then let me know at that point if 0-60 in XXX is THAT important. Fast is fun. But reliablity is MUCH better in my book. We complain about the little stuff...think how this thing is going to be.

In X months there is going to be a quicker car, and after that a quicker one. It just doesnt matter. If you want the fastest thing, you are going to have to keep up with the Jones'.

 

Well is that what you are going to say to yourself when one beats us? It's a fast little car for less than $20 grand. What do you want?

 

if a stock maxima can hang with a stock SRT4 and the maxima doesnt have a turbo yet like the SRT4. you could put a custom turbo on your max and do the same things you would to the SRT4, you might need money but than you'll know that you are playing with the top cars.

and Modernceo....i bet its better to save up money and get a turbo on the maxima, than drive in a crappy little SRT4 which is ONLY for performence. why not spend a little on your maxima? , you would rather get an SRT4 and mod that thing?, SRT4 lacks LOTS of stuff the maxima , mostly because its comapring apples to oranges


the only reason i would get one of those SRT4 is for a beat-up car

 

I hear that's what the Porsche/Mercedes guys say about Nissan Maximas

 

someone said they should compare the SRT-4 to cars in its class, and SCC did that recently. they compaired all cars for under 20k for handling and power and everything else. they had the new Mini S, Sentra SE-R V, the new Focus SVT, Mazdaspeed, Civic Si, Tiburon V6, and the GTI.
http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/fe...scc_under20gs/

the couple flaws to the SRT-4 are no LSD, yea thats right a turbo car that doesnt come with an LSD option. and the other thing is the car has no negative camber, so its going to ride like an econo-box just like the stock neon does

but to answer the guy's question, no a max will not beat a SRT-4

 

Noo, nooooo, not the green machine. I think you just showed your age there TimW. Ahh, the memories...

 

Nah, I will just smile to myself because he/she is driving a Chrysler. You are correct. Its little and fast. I can always add money to my car to make it "fast". And then I will have best of both worlds.

 

0-60...probably
1/4....maybe...

California to NY....Maxima wins...Neon has to stop for service....

oh, and the driver didn't get cramps in his legs in the Max cause he has more room...

-vq

 

Interesting quote you have here:
Think about what you said. I find it interesting that MANY of the Chrysler turbo cars are still on the road alive and kicking today. Yes there were problems but how many of them are related to people not maintaining the car and taking proper care of the turbo (idle time before shut off, religious oil changes). I own both brands here.... a 2k Max (and a 99 SE before that)whick I LOVE to drive when she lets me and a Lebaron GTS with 185k miles on the orginal engine before the oil pump took the day off and it spun a rod bearing. Turbo has never been replaced or rebuilt. It is a 1 owner car with receipts.... New engine on the stand with a NICE Air Research 3 over stock turbo upgrade.... I love all kinds of cars. I understand this is a Maxima forum and the Max is king for what it is but there are always going to be other products out there to challenge what you have. But the SRT-4 is fast, would I consider one? Yep.. Would I consider a Jetta with a 1.8T in it? Yep...

Anywho.....my point is: If turbos are such a bad thing and are so unreliable, why has and is Audi, Volvo, Saab, now Chrysler (even with their awful track record) and the aftermarket using the product? And if it is so unreliable and expensive why are Maxima drivers adding them to their cars?

ok... let the mudslinging begin....

 

trade your Max in for a SRT-4...

you can have it...

i wouldn't be caught dead in the peice of crap.

-vq

 

Several months ago I asked about the SRT4 and you guys ripped me a new one. Oh well.

To answer the question simply, yes, the SRT4 will spank the max.

But...Add 4 passengers, a trunk full of gear and a 1000 lb trailer to the mix, and I think you'd see the Max would win.

It is interesting to note that the SRT4 has that much power, but the times are not drastically different than a Max 6spd.

I know which one I'd rather be in at 140 mph.

 

ZACTLY!

-vq

 

Nah, no mudslinging. I have know 3 peeps (I know, small sample) and they have ALL had serious issues with the car. 2 of them ended up "lemon lawing" them. And with Chryslers great arbitration, it went to the day of court for BOTH of them before Chrysler settled.

Glad to hear you got a good one and enjoy it!

As for the debate on the turbo, dont think they are "overly" bad on the motor, its just Neons are shottily built cars and now you add a turbo to it. Does not inspire MY confidense. But they dont need to, I wont buy ANYTHING from Chrysler.