Ma><iManiac

I have HLSD on mine (2K2 SE 6-Speed), and I also got Khumo ECSTA 711's. The tires made a HUGE difference with wheelspin. Now, instead of wheelspin, I get MAJOR hopping. What is the best way to get rid of that? I'm new to mod's, etc, so I didn't really know what to search for, or else I would. If there is a mod for that, can you recommend specific brands/models?

Thanks!

vsmax

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dont floor it!

jjs

Learn how to drive a stick?

Ma><iManiac

I know how to drive a stick, thanks. I've been driving them for 6 years now. This problem hasn't come up until I got the Maxima, and more specifically since I got the tires. I know that you can get mods that will keep your tires on the road when you need it. I just don't know what they are.

jjs

A #1 mod:

modify your driving!!!

Crap! It is a high torque FWD car!! Launch too hard and weight transfer to the back takes its toll on traction. Period. End of story.

vsmax

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dont know if there is any "mod" to stop hopping, but the reason why it does t that is cuz your max has a lot of tourque to the wheels(i think). i have 18' emos with nankan tires....i dont hop...in the winter i have my stock gxe/gle tires on...i hop only when i floor it...my suggestion is DONT FLOOR IT! your just ruining a lot of mechanical details in you car...hopefully someone who knows more aobut this subject will help you out!
Good Luck bro!

opcorn: <---- no one ever uses that one!!! i dont know hwy i did either!

vsmax

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Ma><iManiac

I UNDERSTAND THAT. I will work on handling the accellerator a little better. What I am asking is if there is a MOD that I can put on my car that will help keep this from happening. It's not like I am doing it on purpose. Will a FTSB do it? I know these parts aren't designed for that purpose, but they are made to affect how your wheels stay on the ground.

vsmax

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i guess adding more weight to the front might help, but i dont see it really making a huge diffrence...i have one on my max it really hlpes on the steering more then the wheels ya know...but as far as a mod goes i really dont think there is one like i stated!

woosh

Possibly one of these:



http://www.quaifeamerica.com/differentials/diffs.htm

Or some expensive posi-traction mod like a member named Jason did. I think his org name is max-n-out.

water-cooled TT dreams
SHIFT_woosh

Ma><iManiac

Okay, thats cool. I just wanted to see if there was something, but if not, then I will have to rely on myself I guess. With this much power (im used to a 91 accord ) it's kinda tricky for me to determine the right amount of gas, the right relase on the clutch, etc to get a smooth yet fast take off. Practice makes perfect. Thanks for your help.

Dohcser

It is soo difficult to get a straight answer on this org sometimes. I love reading the forum, however when someone asks a question that is second nature to another, they make the person feel stupid. This guy is just asking a question, all he wants to know if there are any MODS. Just reply with yes or no, and if you want to put an explanation do so. Dont make people feel underminded, or make them feel you are superior to them.

Just my $.02

92 SE-R 02 SE

He was the HSLD, which is almost as good as the quaife. I think frankencar is making soild motor mounts which might help a little..

CRMax

That's what I was going to mention. People seem to help the wheel hop some with better mounts. I think ericdwong did a write up maybe? Do a search on motor mounts.

woosh

my bad, missed the HLSD, part

vsmax

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CHECK THIS ONE OUT!!!!!! FUNNIEST ONE IN A WHILE!!!!!

Colonel

There is a mod available, but at great sacrifice to suspension travel and comfort. Its basically traction bars for the front. I thought warpspeed had it but no longer see it on their site.

Yes you can do it, but for a daily driver I would not recommend it.

Good Luck!

92 SE-R 02 SE

wow, that got ugly real fast!

woosh

Now that you mentioned the motor mounts, dmbmaxima (Frankencar) has a motor mount re-core program for the 2k2+ that are not as harsh as the PR mounts.

92 SE-R 02 SE

Yeah, i thought i saw something about his motor mounts. I have the PR mounts in my SE-R, i sometimes think my front bumper is going to fall off!!

Ma><iManiac

Ugly, but funny as hell. I haven't laughed that loud at work for a long time.

andrew3616

i used to play this game called motor city online. Well to get to the point in the mod section of the game they had anti-hop bars for the front and rear suspension. I'm pretty sure they have them in real life.

Galo

should make a substantial improvement. Cons of those mods would likely be more NVH into the car and perhaps a stiffer ride...as everything else, it's a compromise based on what you value most/least...

Maxima Dan

You might try new springs and struts. Might help.

It would probably really help if you just drop the front end. Probably look and handle pretty funny, though.

Stranger808

You might also look for better urethane bushings
I remember when I had my 3rd gen Jim Wolf Tech used to sell said bushings to combat this
Some Subi sites sell the same mod to combat the same problem for the older 2 wheel drive cars

MichaelAE

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Warp Speed Performance posted here that they were going to develop Radial Arms for the Maxima...they would do the job for sure.

Maybe the product will be ready soon...given that they announced the product in February 2002! We're coming up on the one year anniversary. I'd say that's enough R&D time...let's get that product out the door.

Radial Arms Thread from February of last year

I am bringing the thread back from the dead just for ****s and giggles.

MichaelAE

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Check it out...Warp Speed still has them listed as "upcoming" on their web site. Quite a planning process...should be one hell of a product.

http://www.warpspeedperformance.com/upcoming.htm

itdood

Wheel hop is problematic in some RWD too, it's not isolated to FWD only.

I owned a '70 Chevelle SS that had nasty wheel hop. It had a 12 bolt posi rear (alomst locked out the clutch springs were so tight). Wheel hop in that car was NASTY. Solving it for that car was a lot different than on a FWD obviously. It involved stopping the rear assembly from being able to rotate under torque. I installed ladder bars, which made the car drive very poorly on the street, but it launched like a freaking rocket. Not only do they stop the rear from twisting, it pushed up against the body of the car. Under torque, the back end not only stopped diving, it would actually raise under torque putting even more weight on the tires, it was bad a$$.

The whole problem is related to the suspension design allowing the tires on the car to twist the axil geometry when torque is applied, and spring upward. If it can twist and go up, it will hop when traction is elevated. As the tire grabs traction, the tendency is for the tire to rebound into the wheelwell, which naturally reduces the tire's traction and allows wheelspin. As the springs send the tires back against the road, the now-spinning wheels once again aggressively grab traction, starting the process all-over.

Stickier tires make it worse. For instance, my Turbo Talon never hopped with Goodyear eagles, I could smoke them off the rim. I changed to a stickier tire, and they hopped no matter what I tried.

You gotta limit wheel hop, it will damge stuff on cars, depending on the weaknesses of the car. I'll use my Talon as an example, when those hop, they tend to break the center diff very easy.

Easiest whay to stop it on a ANY car is to slip the clutch more, but that's no fun, hurts your launch, and roasts your clutch.

Here are some general things I've learned:

Tires make a difference. Some brands will, some won't, I think this has a lot to do with how sticky a tire is. More sticky = more prone to hop on a car with loose suspension.

Low profile tires with higer pressure make it worse. 20-25 PSI seems to help sometimes.

Harder engine mounts in FWD can help. I've seen guys make their own crap here, putting in big custom rubber stoppers to keep the motor and trans from twisting. Or simply modifying the exsiting mouts to be stiffer, or installing aftermarket urethane.

Tighter suspension in genreal i.e stiffer springs, harder busingings, adjustable shocks (on FWD, set the rear shocks to full firm and the front shocks halfway to full firm). I think you get the most from doing these mods (for wheel hop)

I've heard some guys swear a FSTB helped, but I can't confirm it and I doubt it a bit. Every little bit helps though.

Good luck!