Hey PIONEER, nice runs. I guess your car is mad fast.
When I went from 2000 SE 5-speed(which was stock except suspension mods) to this 2002 6-speed car, 2002 feels so much faster. On the highway and off.
Also didn't quansung say, he used to have white 2000 5-speed with bunch of mods, that he couldn't even keep up with Steve's 6-speed in the MassPike video.

As for comparison, I ran my friend's TL-S in my 2000 5-speed and he pulled on me pretty good. I recently ran him again on the highway in my 2002 and I pulled so bad on him. It wasn't even funny. He thought that his VTEC broke.

I guess modded 2000 5-speed is pretty fast.
Ali you better stay safe driving at those speeds.

I was in 2nd at about 3500-4000-5000.. We all started in 2nd, but I'm not sure what RPM the 6speed is at 50Mph in 2nd.

Dany, I went for a ride in the Blue 02 yesterday after the race, and I've been in the silver 6speed many times. Sure they feel fast, but still you see the results. I think its b/c of Torque the 02-03 feels faster

i kinda surmised that when i put the i/y-pipe on my 2k......and now the vids speaks for themselves.....2k-2k1s represented!

A 2k-2k1 5spd takes an excellent driver even more so than a 6spd. It is the ability to shift very fast just before fuel cut off to get max performance and takes practice and "intuitive" shifting. A 6spd has more of a "buffer" zone for shifting/power band and getting good performance. Pioneer has ran Quansungs 6spd times and traps in his 5spd but Quansang could not break into 14's when he had his 5spd. It is a drivers race and the 5spd driver has to be right on. Also take into consideration rim size/weight, in car weight (systems, spares etc.. since alot of guys take this stuff out or leave it in and will make a difference). Stock for stock and mod for mod a 6spd will be quicker but not blistering like most people have suggested recently. 2k-2k1 5spd drivers just practice a high rpm launch and shifting a 1/2 hair before fuel cut off and you will do well.

Good call....very true...

damn!!

This is going a little too far guys. I own the 2k3 6-speed, and i was driving. This was an even race. I'm not a beginner driver, nor a 6-speed beginner. I owed a 2k celica GT-S which is much harder to keep in the power band. The vids started at 40mph, and i was in 2nd, which was right at 4000rpm. What you see is what will happen when a well maintained 2k 5spd SE, with the mods that Pionner has, races a stock 2k3. Unless you don't know how to drive, it will always come to the same output. Another proof. The car with the cameraman was a 2k2 with intake, and you can see the 2k pulling from him, and the 2k2 not catching up.

From a stop, we won't know until the driveway queen is rested and back in shape (needs new clutch and other maintenance; she has 52k miles.). I was the only driver in the 2k3, and Ali was the only driver in the 2k. I actually had an empty tank. Less than 50 miles left on the tank. Ali had 1/2 a tank. He filled up before the race. So...... That's the run down. I guess people are disappointed that a 2k2+ didn't put the smack down on the 2k.

I'm 6'2" at 200lbs. Hopefully that gives you guys an idea. So, what would it take for a 2k 5spd to keep up with a 2k2+ stock 6spd? Look at PIONEER'S mods, and add drivers skills to that.

nah im agreeing with you. i dont think my auto is much slower than a 6 speed on the highway.

Up to around 110 probably not. After that you get walked hard. At what speed does the auto 2k2 shift to 4th gear since that will be when you hit a wall? 110-125mph is very very strong on a 2k1 5spd especially with his mods. Those are the speeds that take out most 4th gens as well.

was that a Lumina or a Monte Carlo?

That guy had no idea what was happening...3 Maxi swooping by at 100+

nice.

-vq

If we look at the patterns now with the 2k2-3 guy saying they are better then the 00-01 then when the 04 comes those guys will be talking smack to the 2k2-3 guys.



A cars a car.... Doesn't matter if it gets you to point a to point b then it's all good.

Probably.

Sorry gotta disagree with you big time here!

That's true....that's when you trade up to 2004

You remember when the 5th gen came out in 2000? The 4th gen guys believed there cars were not when all the 2001s were running 14s stock in 5spd forms nad the 4th gens had a hard time running that stock. It went on for 2 yrs I would say before they shut up. hehe

Are you still driving that POS auto Acura? Or have you finally got your wits about you again?

Russ what did you do with your CL. What car with Boost you getting??

I say maybe a A4 or S4

Haven't I read in a few posts that the 2k3 autos shift into 4th at 130? Don't remember from the one time I've tried it, but it that's the case then there isn't much top-end left for either car...

Not disputing the race, BTW; it was cool (if insane in the rain). Steve said it best - make up the 20 hp, and the powerband suits the 2k. The reason 2k2 / 2k3s are so much faster around town or at the track is the truckload of torque at the low-end.

Pioneer / sorcerour - way to use some science to experiment!

So your saying that an 2k2/2k3 auto 3rd gear goes to 130? That doesn't make any sense?

I am 6'3" and 210lbs. My passenger was approximately 200lbs. I was also the only one that launched starting from neutral, shifting to 2nd, and then punching it. Pioneer and Sorcereur informed me of my mistake. It still would have been a VERY close race.

Both the 2k2 and 2k3 were running stock craptenzas. If there was just a little more water on the road, there would have been two Maximas in the median instead of on the highway.

Unlike some members here, I will admit that I got ! For the 2k2 Auto's, you don't have a CHANCE. There is only one that I can think of that would make a good run against Ali, Blubyu2k2.

We will be doing this again soon and I will be more prepared next time.

This is great...right after the thread where SmokenOdum posted the "kill"...if you can call it that, of the horrendous driver in the 350Z....he was missing gears like it was his job.

I've run 2 cars that can keep up with Pioneer's 5-speed (MAX2000JP-intake, y-pipe 5th gen 5-speed and Nealoc187 (fully modded 4th gen)...and I DESTROYED both of them...just ask them. Too bad we don't have it on video as I am not in the habit of video taping while I'm by myself in the car.

As soon as it stops snowing here and gets warmer, I'll get a video of my car vs. a 2k2-2k3 6-speed from and stop...AND a roll.

Still crying about that?? How old are you? Still posting cars in your sig that your parents own as well on other boards just because you still live at home?

Nealocs car was totally track prepped when he was at the track not when he raced you. The other guy trap speeds are low and is obviously not a good a driver as Pioneer and/or his car has problems.


Why don't you post up all the cars that have killed you so far? Because I'm sure you have been destroyed a few times yourself.

Pioneer and Emax are waiting. Can't wait to see your "STOCK" track times! Stop crying! I bet blu in his auto would take you at the track.

PS. we are still waiting for those high 13's "AVERAGE" stock 350Z track times with slips that you mentioned. Still waiting and not magazine times either?

I wouldn't have a chance against a 350z unless I was on slicks

Was it those spring clamps that made your car so fast?......JK



Great representation of us 3.0 guys!

No, what I'm specifically saying is that I don't remember where it shifts, and according to some posts in this thread:

http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....hreadid=184015

it's around 125 or 130.

That is about right

With the overdive off, an 5th gen auto will go up to 130 in third but you have to shift at 125 or you will hit the rev limiter.

Any body remember the 2002 SE vs GTP (modded) vs 350Z Track Edition videos, I say we put these Maxes against that GTP, GTP will probably still win from a stop, but rolling start and Highway the max stands a fair chance.

im pretty sure the max did win on the highway?

Did it? hmmm, my bad

German boost possible. It's a while before it happens.

it sure did, and despite runs of the Max, Gtp and 350Track edition, i still can't believe the 350 was barely keeping up, let alone walk away from the max.......i thought the higher hp, lighter body would be an advantage....maybe it's the driver?

Great news, this indeed shut some nasty mouths! 2k/2k1 are the original 5 gens, way to represent 5 spds! Next time you see a 5spd in the next lane, think twice about racing it! hehe

Ya especially Kev's Turbo 5th gen 5spd. (when its done up right)

Crying about what?? I was laughing at YOU. Already being a total a-hole on here and you're still virtually a noob. How cute. Do you want to see a picture of the insurance and registration on my cars?? I'll prove that they're mine if you feel like calling me a liar. As for the living at home, doesn't everyone live at "home"...unless you live in a cardboard box or something.

Neal's car was track prepped...he added slicks...that's IT...oh and removed the spare and jack...WOW..from a 60mph roll his car is not going to be affected AT ALL by not having slicks, and I doubt removing the spare and jack (all of 40lbs) really helped him much either.

As for my list of kills...won't be very impressive since it's SNOWING AND 28 DEGREES HERE RIGHT NOW. I haven't lost to anyone yet (until I run into an LS1, new cobra, S/Ced MB, or BMW M) How about this...next week I'll run a guy from work who has a 2K2 6-speed (stock) and we'll see how he does...ON VIDEO.

You'll be the first to know when it warms up and I chalk up some 13s in the Z....

So in conclusion a well driven modded 5spd max can easaly hang and/or out run a 6spd max.


I think everyone needs to settle down here a little bit. It seems like everyone thinks "2002" owners are cocky, etc. To me a lot of you guys are showing a strong prejudice to 2002 + owners. I for one am a 2002 owner and I don't look down on pre 2002 maximas.


Briguy, I don't know why you brought your all mighty 350Z into this thread. Please stop with your seperioratity complex, I don't think anyone wants to hear you. :attention