vqman

-vq

vqman

204 fwhp 219 lb. ft. tq....i dyno'd my baby in January...

1000ft (twice that of your run)

70 degrees F

low barometric pressure

2.5 60ft (my nuub **** had horrible launches)

I weigh 250lbs (3450 pounds going down the track)

I didn't do ANY mods to my car...still had stock air filter, left the back seat in, didn't take out the spare tire...

the 3.1 is still a dog...do you still drive it?

With better techniques I should get 14.5's easy without any mods...

1 second is alot of time....compared to your 15.5...

15.5....that's Spec-V territory!

what car are you referring to? a Z24? or a Baretta? what was this 3500lb 15.56 second 1/4 mile Monster? and what mods did you do to it?

-vq

SR20DEN

iTrader: (7)

I do not own any GM vehicle and my VQ35 has never run slower than 15.0 on a bad launch. If you want to see the rest of my times feel free to look them up. Another point I was trying to back him up on is that people are starting to speak of engines that they have no clue about (60º GM V6's). Go to the 60v6 forums and argue there if you really want to make an attempt to prove something. Perhaps you'll learn a thing or two. Just because you have no knowledge of something that doesn't make it a POS.
And yes you should be able to get to 14.5 with no bolt ons. Good luck.

vqman

oh wait, I didn't mean to quote you, i meant to quote GPXSS...sorry SR20DEN...

I was "arguing" with him...I think you and Sam03 were backing me up...sorry again...

-vq

GPXSS

153fwp 203ft/lb torque myself.

2.24 60'
6.43 330'
9.93 1/8th @ 70.72
12.94 1000'
15.51 1/4 @ 87.26

this was in a 93 Grand Prix. A buddy of mine has a simliar engine in a 91 Z24 and has run a best of 14.8.

Ill give you the original 3.1 being a dog, the intake design was made for low end torque only.. not much room for power after 4000rpm. During that run I had the updated 3100 top end (intake, plenum, heads) 12.2:1 compression and a 62mmTB. I was running factory exhaust and by my times you can see it limited my trap speed.

Shortly I will be dropping in a 3100 punched to 3230cc's or so with even more work and higher flow which should put me in the 14's.

Im not trying to bash the VQ or the Max.. I know what they are capable of, just trying to point out that not all of the GM 60º pushrod motors are dogs (the 3800 is 90º).

F23A4

Thinking aloud, I wonder how much power Nissan could extract from a VQ35DE if they bored to 3.8liters with a supercharger thrown in; I bet more than the 260hp in the GP GTX.

Like SR20DEN states, that pushrod 3800 motor needs to die already.

SR20DEN

iTrader: (7)

I wasn't backing up anyone on the 3100 bashing because I've got a pretty good technical knowledge of these engines and I know what the new ones are capable of. The only reason most people call them junk is because they dont know much about them and arent as popular as the 3800. But you can be rest assured that the new designs coming out will mean the end for the 3800 and will possibly give the VQ a good run for it's money.

But I will bash the 3800 (L67) all day long. Those boat anchors can't make any kind of real power without being boosted and they sound like total crap when they are boosted. The new 60º engines make as much NA power as the NA 3800's and are much much lighter, more fuel efficient and sound tons better. I could relate that to a 19 year old Nissan engine that behaves exactly the same way but too many people here would take offense to that.

02MaximizedVQ

no.......Larger bore than stroke is OVERSQUARE. Most super high performance engines (high HP/Liter) have that configuration. (F1, motorcycle...etc)
I can't remember the reason behind it. But someone mentioned high rpm capability and that is definitely one of the reasons. [/B][/QUOTE]

Sorry for the misinformation! I should have known b/c the Maxima is an oversquare engine (duh).

SR20DEN

iTrader: (7)

You would think. But it seems Honda and BMW are making some very high output undersquare engines.

vqman

1993 Grand Prix doesn't weigh 3500 lbs...

http://auto.consumerguide.com/auto/u...fm/id/2095.htm

my mother-in-law drives a 1996 Grand Prix...3.1L V6...rattles like crazy...interior parts don't match...when I bought my 1998 Maxima, she drove it....and was amazed...needless to say, her next car won't be another Pontiac...


the 3.8SC Grand Prix, my buddy has one... Can't accelerate hard and turn at the same time from a stop light...wider is better? my a$$....

-vq

vqman

i know, i know...can you imagine that?

the 3.5 in the Z already puts out 287/274...

the GTP puts out what...? 260/280?

VQ38DER --> YOWSERS!

we're talking about 320horsepower/350 ftlb TQ



-vq

GPXSS

You know what, your right.. im such a dumbass. I didnt clean out my trunk until after I made the 15.51 pass, so I actually weighed 3601lbs during the run.

SteVTEC

Tip: Don't use Consumer Guide. That site has so bloody many errors that it's just amazing. Edmunds.com is usually pretty accurate, and they report 3448lb. Add in some optional equipment and you're easily at 3500+

vqman

couldn't have said it any better myself...

oh, and uh...Happy Trolling...

-vq

SR20DEN

iTrader: (7)

Seems to fit you just fine.

vqman

huh? I'm lost here...I never said that...you are misquoting me...not cool...I never said that.

vqman

what 19 year old nissan engine? the vg33?

E55AMG2

iTrader: (4)

I couldnt have put it better myself, but you forgot one thing.......REAR WHEEL DRIVE (cars that are RWD are a lot more efficient in the drivetrain cause it is alot simpler)

vqman

actually, from what I've always heard, FWD cars usually have less drivetrain loss because the driveline is shorter/lighter...

but a RWD car's momentum helps with traction when launching.

but neither has anything to do with crankshaft HP...and that is what we're trying to figure out...well that and we also want to know if SR20DEN and GPXSS are the same guy...

-vq

SteVTEC

RWD cars are actually maybe 2% less efficient than FWD because of the 90-degree twist that power has to take through the rear differential. FWD setups do not have to do this and are a little more efficient.

Quicksilver

iTrader: (1)

Damn, that was a lot of good info! But to answer your question, yes, I know that different bore and strokes can equal the same metric displacement. It's not feasible for the 350Z to have a different bore/stroke over the rest of the VQ35's in the world. That would be a bit too expensive for Nissan to pull off...

Here's a good pop quiz question. What is the maximum size (aftermarket supported, of course) that a horizontally opposed aircoold VW engine (Type I) can reach? Remember, they started off their American production with 1100/1200cc engines, and finally went to the 1600cc engine (that's not their exact size, but for arguments sake, you all know them as that).

vqman

no idea on the VW thing...
and you're right, it would be to expensive to have completely different bore/stroke for all the VQ's...

-vq

SR20DEN

iTrader: (7)

No


He is my brother. He does 60º GM V6's and I do Nissans.

Quicksilver

iTrader: (1)

If using the Pauter aftermarket case, you can acheive a maximum displacement of 3310cc's (that's 104.8mm bore x 96mm stroke). That's a huge 4 cylinder!

vqman

so what was that 15 year old nissan engine you were talking about (PM me if you're worried about getting flamed)

-vq

vqman

so are you going to get him to join the dark side or what?



-vq

max...to the ma

they get 300+ HP and 300+ TQ
but depends on certain things
like how much they would spend and the size of tge engine bay
they may not be able to add a lot of tech if the supercharger takes up too much space under the hood

F23A4

HEY!! My beloved Quest has that motor!!

SappySE107

No, its not the same guy. GPXSS is very well known in the 60v6 community. Im not here to troll (neither was gpxss but i guess if you have a stick up your *** you will say anything to be offensive). I work on the 3.4 DOHC motors now, used to work on the pushrods. I could care less what maxima owners have to say about the motor, but at least get it right. The 3400 is the newer designed block. The 3.4 DOHC was based on the 3.1/3.4 block, but is not the identical block.

If you care to actually learn something about the motors, you can go to www.60degreev6.com. No, I am not GPXSS. This is the name I use on the 60v6 forums, and GPXSS uses his same name over there too.

vqman

why would I want to learn something about those motors at all? let alone from a bunch of inbred trolls.

it's a crap engine, nothing you can say or do will make me change my mind...

if someone puts a gun to my head and says "say the 60degreeV6 isn't a crap engine" I'll say it, but I won't think it...it's crap.

(by his own admission) GPSXX went to the track with 100 pounds of crap in the trunk...what kind of an idiot hauls around 100 lbs of junk in the trunk on a regular day, let alone when going to the track? what is he selling out of his trunk? fake Rolex's? dude's got 100 lbs of fake Rolex's in his POS 1993 Grand Prix?

So now SR20DEN has 3 alias's? WTF??



Hey SR20DEN, why not either

A) fight your own "battles"

or

B) quit hiding behind fake alias's....



go back to www.60degreeGMv6sucksa$$.com they like your type there...

damn troll...

ta ta

-vq

SappySE107

I guess you cant carry a converstion with degrading others. Its how people weak of character and with little valuable content in their posts behave. GPXSS and myself aren't knocking your car or engine of choice. We simply ask a little more respect from someone with little knowledge on the subject. How can you say the 60v6 sucks when you dont know anything about them?

Do you know what 500 feet does to your time? Not much. Not worth even mentioning for that matter.

GPXSS

heh.. VG man has to bash on others cause he doesnt know how to drive a 6spd LOL

NizanDrivn

Seems to me the main diff b/w the engines is the intake and exhaust....To complement this Nissan probably fiddle with the cams and timing. The VQ35DE is LOADED with untapped potential!!!...

I would love to see a turboed or supercharged sport tuned version...

On a side note, I've notice newer car make, Honda/Ac, MB, BMW, Nissan/infinti, giving their cars dual exhaust, single or double barrel. I hadn't seen such cars on a lift, but do each lines have separate cat converters? Or do then run into the same conveter? The later would seem to allow for better expiration...

SR20DEN

iTrader: (7)

Once again the unintelligent crap pours from your mouth. God forbid I actually have a life and don't spend my entire day on maxima.org. I have never hidden behind ANY alias. I have used SR20DEN and ONLY that name since 1996. Now if you choose to be ignorant for the rest of your life and never have any ambition at all do do your own research or make any attempts to educate yourself thats totally upto you. I realize you are entitled to your own opinions and thats fine too. But when you start bashing something that another group of people either like or have respect for then you should be prepaired to recieve a healthy dose of flack from the ones you offend.

vqman

flack from your other alias's? wup-ti-do!

oh, and if you want to be a closet Chevy guy, why not give love to at least an engine with a couple more cylinders...Seems GM can only get power out of an engine if it has...

A) 8 cylinders/huge displacement

or

B)Forced Induction.

I still can't believe there is an "enthusiast" site for a 60 degree GM V6...now I've seen it all....and they travel in "packs"! if you can call a guy with three alias's a "pack"

so SR20DEN why don't you take your dad/brother out to dinner for backing you up? you can sell a couple Rolex's from the back of your 1993 Grand Prix


oh yeah, when talking about inbred carolinians and 60degree GM V6's, one can't help but to SPEW unintelligent crap from his mouth.

say "hi" to your mom/sister for me!

-vq

SR20DEN

iTrader: (7)

You just continue to be an idiot and jealous. You have no driver skills and you make excuses for that. Have fun with your 14.9's, hey was that at an 1/8th mile track?

If you would like to know what a 2002 Maxima is capable of then simply look here.

http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....hreadid=140283


http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....hreadid=128371

vqman

just because someone has a good technical knowlegdge of something, doesn't mean that the item isn't of lesser quality.

I am used to Nissan engines (I had 1 sr20de, 1 vq30de, and 2 vq35de's) and when I drove my mother-in-laws 3.1, not only was I amazed out how many rattles a vehicle can have, I also was very unimpressed with the engine. In fact I thought that (stock) my SR20DE was a much better engine under hard acceleration than the 3.1. It was definately smoother. Sounded better too.

I was posting about bore x stroke, bashed a GM (this is a Maxima site) and you take the time to either

a)email all your buddies

or

b)make up new alias's...

either way, that brings me to the question, who has no life? I happen to sit in front of a computer all day at work and have access to the internet at work/school/home. and when someone calls me a dumbass...I'm not going to sit back and take it.

The personal bashing started with you calling me a dumbass...

your brother called himself a dumbass, I simply agreed with him. (albiet he was being sarcastic) but if you take a car to the track with 100 lbs of crap in the trunk...you are a dumbass. period, end of story.

if someone gets a 2.5 60ft because they can't drive, they are a non-driving idiot (me---I have no problems admitting I can't launch well yet) I've been to the track once. I think I didn't launch at high enough RPM's...
when you knock of 0.3 seconds from my 60ft, (2.2 is normal for a maxima) and you'd also knock off at least 0.3 seconds from my ET which puts me at 14.69 seconds. Come down to 500 ft of sea level I'll knock off another tenth or two from my ET...CAI catback...basic bolt-ons, and I'm going to blow a 60degreeV6 off the map. and at the same time, my vehicle doens't rattle all the time (it does once in a while) I also don't have to worry about stuff breaking down. Really, we all know the reliability record with GM automobiles.

anyway, barring some crazy ****, I'm done with this pointless arguement...

we both know the VQ is a far superior engine

sorry for calling you imbred and sorry for any other insults to you and your family/friends.

-vq

vqman

oh i know I can't drive...

the maxima is capable of much more than I can do with it right now.

sorry for being such a *****...I just didn't like it when you put a false quote with my name "Originally posted by VQMAN"....you know the one I am talking about....

you doctored it, I didn't like that....

peace...

-vq

SR20DEN

iTrader: (7)

Yeah I doctored it. You stepped on my toes so I stepped on yours. Im ready to end this childish argument. Are you?

vqman

yup!