Mercedes V-12 (600SL?) BMW M3 and Me
03-24-2003, 01:17 PM
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Mercedes V-12 (600SL?) BMW M3 and Me
Pulled up to a light yesterday in single file with the above mentioned cars in that order, light turns green and the 2 front cars were apparently racing so I decided to join the fun, we make a left turn from the light and race on a short 150yard straight until we get to the next light, I caught the M3 which was modded by just an exhaust I think, but the Mercedes was steadily pulling from both of us? Since when does a mercedes have power? I guess I am not wealthy enough to know anything about them but I was very impressed by the Merceded, I could have really smoked the M3 but my slickstones broke traction through the turn a bit. Anybody else had any encounters with these cars?
03-24-2003, 01:23 PM
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What year was the M3? If it was the newer generation, he should've smoked you and the Benz. The older M3s are fair game for the 2K2 and up Maximas. The Benz with the V-12 is torque monster and can pull damn hard.
03-24-2003, 01:26 PM
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Re: Mercedes V-12 (600SL?) BMW M3 and Me
Originally posted by BigCat44
Pulled up to a light yesterday in single file with the above mentioned cars in that order, light turns green and the 2 front cars were apparently racing so I decided to join the fun, we make a left turn from the light and race on a short 150yard straight until we get to the next light, I caught the M3 which was modded by just an exhaust I think, but the Mercedes was steadily pulling from both of us? Since when does a mercedes have power? I guess I am not wealthy enough to know anything about them but I was very impressed by the Merceded, I could have really smoked the M3 but my slickstones broke traction through the turn a bit. Anybody else had any encounters with these cars?
Pulled up to a light yesterday in single file with the above mentioned cars in that order, light turns green and the 2 front cars were apparently racing so I decided to join the fun, we make a left turn from the light and race on a short 150yard straight until we get to the next light, I caught the M3 which was modded by just an exhaust I think, but the Mercedes was steadily pulling from both of us? Since when does a mercedes have power? I guess I am not wealthy enough to know anything about them but I was very impressed by the Merceded, I could have really smoked the M3 but my slickstones broke traction through the turn a bit. Anybody else had any encounters with these cars?
I have encounter an SL500...with the 5.0 V8...he started in front of me, and I was kinda tailing him (bad vqman...bad!) then he switched lanes and punched it, I did to, he never pulled away from me, in fact I ended up (from 20-80) with my front wheels even with his rear wheels...
but from what I hear, they are now Lexus-like quiet...I have only driven a C-Class, so I don't know what they are like.
when you were breaking traction through that turn (were the M3 got away from you) I bet he was barely sweating the turn...I almost bought a 1998 M3...drove it over night...it was awesome in the turns.
nice race...fun to show the top dogs we can hang...
-vq
03-24-2003, 01:31 PM
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Funny thing was I have heard of the 500 SL as my dad at one point owned one but I had always considered Mercedes the nice classy but slow cars and then when I saw this car move and then get up and see 600 I was kind of shocked, I would like to see the car get some open room because when I got to the light you could tell the guy was just playing around with us. I'll submit a donation and get to the OT forum to see the video.
03-24-2003, 01:36 PM
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u consider AMGs slow?
Originally posted by BigCat44
Funny thing was I have heard of the 500 SL as my dad at one point owned one but I had always considered Mercedes the nice classy but slow cars and then when I saw this car move and then get up and see 600 I was kind of shocked, I would like to see the car get some open room because when I got to the light you could tell the guy was just playing around with us. I'll submit a donation and get to the OT forum to see the video.
Funny thing was I have heard of the 500 SL as my dad at one point owned one but I had always considered Mercedes the nice classy but slow cars and then when I saw this car move and then get up and see 600 I was kind of shocked, I would like to see the car get some open room because when I got to the light you could tell the guy was just playing around with us. I'll submit a donation and get to the OT forum to see the video.
03-24-2003, 01:44 PM
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Originally posted by UMD_MaxSE
if you only had access to the OT forum.... someone posted vids of a SL600 running mid 12's.... the 600SL is a twin turbo V12....
if you only had access to the OT forum.... someone posted vids of a SL600 running mid 12's.... the 600SL is a twin turbo V12....
http://www.treynor.com/S600_Stock_Sacto.wmv
03-24-2003, 01:45 PM
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Normally I don't flame....
But I've driven an M3 and that thing (even the 260 HP one) was like a bat out of hell. I don't think that my 2k3 Max could take it...nor would I try.
As far as the 600SL MB, I raced one of those in my 1997 Pontiac Trans Am - Ram Air (305HP, 320TQ?). Yea, he beat me like a red headed step child!
But I took consolation in the fact that I could have had my T/A AND a condo for the price of his car! It had better beat me!
Oh, I also raced some old gray haired dude in an M3 while I was in my T/A. My brother and I laughed cause we figured that he didn't have a chance (due to my < 25 age). Well again, he taught me a lesson. As far as speed it was almost a dead tie, but the handling in that car was light years ahead of my T/A. The guy actually passed someone on the right when another car was entering the highway (the twisty Saw Mill River Parkway in Mt. Kisco NY). I thought he was gonna bite it for sure. After that, I had mad respect for the M3. Actually, the $700 +/- lease payment on that may be in my future. I gotta have a car that can handle like that!
As far as the 600SL MB, I raced one of those in my 1997 Pontiac Trans Am - Ram Air (305HP, 320TQ?). Yea, he beat me like a red headed step child!
But I took consolation in the fact that I could have had my T/A AND a condo for the price of his car! It had better beat me!Oh, I also raced some old gray haired dude in an M3 while I was in my T/A. My brother and I laughed cause we figured that he didn't have a chance (due to my < 25 age). Well again, he taught me a lesson. As far as speed it was almost a dead tie, but the handling in that car was light years ahead of my T/A. The guy actually passed someone on the right when another car was entering the highway (the twisty Saw Mill River Parkway in Mt. Kisco NY). I thought he was gonna bite it for sure. After that, I had mad respect for the M3. Actually, the $700 +/- lease payment on that may be in my future. I gotta have a car that can handle like that!
03-24-2003, 02:12 PM
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Originally posted by 2M0A0X2
this was on bimmerforums...i don't have access to OT forum either.
http://www.treynor.com/S600_Stock_Sacto.wmv
this was on bimmerforums...i don't have access to OT forum either.
http://www.treynor.com/S600_Stock_Sacto.wmv
03-24-2003, 02:54 PM
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Re: Normally I don't flame....
Originally posted by spta97
But I've driven an M3 and that thing (even the 260 HP one) was like a bat out of hell. I don't think that my 2k3 Max could take it...nor would I try.
As far as the 600SL MB, I raced one of those in my 1997 Pontiac Trans Am - Ram Air (305HP, 320TQ?). Yea, he beat me like a red headed step child! But I took consolation in the fact that I could have had my T/A AND a condo for the price of his car! It had better beat me!
Oh, I also raced some old gray haired dude in an M3 while I was in my T/A. My brother and I laughed cause we figured that he didn't have a chance (due to my < 25 age). Well again, he taught me a lesson. As far as speed it was almost a dead tie, but the handling in that car was light years ahead of my T/A. The guy actually passed someone on the right when another car was entering the highway (the twisty Saw Mill River Parkway in Mt. Kisco NY). I thought he was gonna bite it for sure. After that, I had mad respect for the M3. Actually, the $700 +/- lease payment on that may be in my future. I gotta have a car that can handle like that!
But I've driven an M3 and that thing (even the 260 HP one) was like a bat out of hell. I don't think that my 2k3 Max could take it...nor would I try.
As far as the 600SL MB, I raced one of those in my 1997 Pontiac Trans Am - Ram Air (305HP, 320TQ?). Yea, he beat me like a red headed step child!
But I took consolation in the fact that I could have had my T/A AND a condo for the price of his car! It had better beat me!Oh, I also raced some old gray haired dude in an M3 while I was in my T/A. My brother and I laughed cause we figured that he didn't have a chance (due to my < 25 age). Well again, he taught me a lesson. As far as speed it was almost a dead tie, but the handling in that car was light years ahead of my T/A. The guy actually passed someone on the right when another car was entering the highway (the twisty Saw Mill River Parkway in Mt. Kisco NY). I thought he was gonna bite it for sure. After that, I had mad respect for the M3. Actually, the $700 +/- lease payment on that may be in my future. I gotta have a car that can handle like that!
but, I think the last generation M3 had only 240bhp...but it was still quicker than our 3.5L Maxima's..I think it's 0-60 was around 5.5 seconds....they are a blast to drive.
-vq
03-24-2003, 08:35 PM
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if it was a newer model SL600. there's no way you're catching up to that V-12 twin turbo. yeah.. you heard me.. that monster has got twin turbos under the hood. and the M3 shoulda smoked you as well.
03-24-2003, 08:51 PM
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Originally posted by skandalouz
if it was a newer model SL600. there's no way you're catching up to that V-12 twin turbo. yeah.. you heard me.. that monster has got twin turbos under the hood. and the M3 shoulda smoked you as well.
if it was a newer model SL600. there's no way you're catching up to that V-12 twin turbo. yeah.. you heard me.. that monster has got twin turbos under the hood. and the M3 shoulda smoked you as well.
The new 600s are OFF THE HOOK. dont mess with those monsters... Twin Turbo V-12
-Steve
03-24-2003, 09:08 PM
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the older SL600s have a lot of power but they arent all that fast. when i first got my car me and my 2 friends were racing just for fun. one had his dad's SL600 (1998 i think) and the other had a supercharged prelude. the SL won everytime but it wasnt a slaughter. i think it has 390+ horsepower but it weighs about 4500 lbs.
what SL600s have a twin-turbo? brand new ones? i dont see a 2003 SL600 on the mercedes website.
what SL600s have a twin-turbo? brand new ones? i dont see a 2003 SL600 on the mercedes website.
03-24-2003, 09:29 PM
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Originally posted by 2M0A0X2
this was on bimmerforums...i don't have access to OT forum either.
http://www.treynor.com/S600_Stock_Sacto.wmv
this was on bimmerforums...i don't have access to OT forum either.
http://www.treynor.com/S600_Stock_Sacto.wmv
03-24-2003, 10:59 PM
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Re: Mercedes V-12 (600SL?) BMW M3 and Me
Originally posted by BigCat44
Pulled up to a light yesterday in single file with the above mentioned cars in that order, light turns green and the 2 front cars were apparently racing so I decided to join the fun, we make a left turn from the light and race on a short 150yard straight until we get to the next light, I caught the M3 which was modded by just an exhaust I think, but the Mercedes was steadily pulling from both of us? Since when does a mercedes have power? I guess I am not wealthy enough to know anything about them but I was very impressed by the Merceded, I could have really smoked the M3 but my slickstones broke traction through the turn a bit. Anybody else had any encounters with these cars?
Pulled up to a light yesterday in single file with the above mentioned cars in that order, light turns green and the 2 front cars were apparently racing so I decided to join the fun, we make a left turn from the light and race on a short 150yard straight until we get to the next light, I caught the M3 which was modded by just an exhaust I think, but the Mercedes was steadily pulling from both of us? Since when does a mercedes have power? I guess I am not wealthy enough to know anything about them but I was very impressed by the Merceded, I could have really smoked the M3 but my slickstones broke traction through the turn a bit. Anybody else had any encounters with these cars?
03-25-2003, 05:52 AM
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Mercedes doesn't currently have an SL600 in their 2003 lineup. They have an SL500 (5.0L V8) and an SL55 AMG (5.5L V8 S/C). They did have an SL600 in 2002, but it wasn't the same engine.
2002 SL600: 5.5L V12 NA (389HP, 420TQ)
2003 S600: 5.5L V12 TT (493HP, 590TQ)
As it turns out though, 493HP and 590TQ is about what it puts down at the wheels so in reality it has in excess of 600HP and 700TQ! Talk about under rating!!!
Just because you never see cars like these at the track, and because the people that drive them mostly go slow doesn't mean that they won't haul some serious booty!
2002 SL600: 5.5L V12 NA (389HP, 420TQ)
2003 S600: 5.5L V12 TT (493HP, 590TQ)
As it turns out though, 493HP and 590TQ is about what it puts down at the wheels so in reality it has in excess of 600HP and 700TQ! Talk about under rating!!!
Just because you never see cars like these at the track, and because the people that drive them mostly go slow doesn't mean that they won't haul some serious booty!
03-25-2003, 05:56 AM
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Re: Normally I don't flame....
Originally posted by spta97
But I've driven an M3 and that thing (even the 260 HP one) was like a bat out of hell. I don't think that my 2k3 Max could take it...nor would I try.
But I've driven an M3 and that thing (even the 260 HP one) was like a bat out of hell. I don't think that my 2k3 Max could take it...nor would I try.
03-25-2003, 06:04 AM
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Re: Re: Normally I don't flame....
Originally posted by VQMAN
that didn't seem like a flame...when you use tact, and don't call people stupid it usually goes over well.
but, I think the last generation M3 had only 240bhp...but it was still quicker than our 3.5L Maxima's..I think it's 0-60 was around 5.5 seconds....they are a blast to drive.
-vq
that didn't seem like a flame...when you use tact, and don't call people stupid it usually goes over well.
but, I think the last generation M3 had only 240bhp...but it was still quicker than our 3.5L Maxima's..I think it's 0-60 was around 5.5 seconds....they are a blast to drive.
-vq
03-25-2003, 06:17 AM
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Re: Re: Re: Normally I don't flame....
Originally posted by spta97
Yea, I think you may be correct. The M3 in that year was very nimble and quick as hell. No way a 2k3 with more HP (supposidly) can take it. I really think that BMW underrates their horsepower.
Yea, I think you may be correct. The M3 in that year was very nimble and quick as hell. No way a 2k3 with more HP (supposidly) can take it. I really think that BMW underrates their horsepower.
, I drove my friends modded 95 M3 a couple times. if the tradein on the max wasnt so bad and the M3 mods didnt cost so much id get one hehe.
03-25-2003, 09:39 AM
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Re: Re: Re: Normally I don't flame....
Originally posted by spta97
Yea, I think you may be correct. The M3 in that year was very nimble and quick as hell. No way a 2k3 with more HP (supposidly) can take it. I really think that BMW underrates their horsepower.
Yea, I think you may be correct. The M3 in that year was very nimble and quick as hell. No way a 2k3 with more HP (supposidly) can take it. I really think that BMW underrates their horsepower.
That thing sounded great too.
-vq
03-25-2003, 10:45 AM
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lol, *nothing* can compete with an Inline-6 in terms of smoothness because an Inline-6 is one of the few naturally balanced engine configurations out there. But for an "inherently unbalanced V6", the VQ engine is about as good as it gets in terms of overall smoothness and NVH levels without actually having a naturally balanced engine configuration. 
03-25-2003, 10:46 AM
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Re: Normally I don't flame....
Originally posted by spta97
But I've driven an M3 and that thing (even the 260 HP one) was like a bat out of hell. I don't think that my 2k3 Max could take it...nor would I try.
As far as the 600SL MB, I raced one of those in my 1997 Pontiac Trans Am - Ram Air (305HP, 320TQ?). Yea, he beat me like a red headed step child! But I took consolation in the fact that I could have had my T/A AND a condo for the price of his car! It had better beat me!
Oh, I also raced some old gray haired dude in an M3 while I was in my T/A. My brother and I laughed cause we figured that he didn't have a chance (due to my < 25 age). Well again, he taught me a lesson. As far as speed it was almost a dead tie, but the handling in that car was light years ahead of my T/A. The guy actually passed someone on the right when another car was entering the highway (the twisty Saw Mill River Parkway in Mt. Kisco NY). I thought he was gonna bite it for sure. After that, I had mad respect for the M3. Actually, the $700 +/- lease payment on that may be in my future. I gotta have a car that can handle like that!
But I've driven an M3 and that thing (even the 260 HP one) was like a bat out of hell. I don't think that my 2k3 Max could take it...nor would I try.
As far as the 600SL MB, I raced one of those in my 1997 Pontiac Trans Am - Ram Air (305HP, 320TQ?). Yea, he beat me like a red headed step child!
But I took consolation in the fact that I could have had my T/A AND a condo for the price of his car! It had better beat me!Oh, I also raced some old gray haired dude in an M3 while I was in my T/A. My brother and I laughed cause we figured that he didn't have a chance (due to my < 25 age). Well again, he taught me a lesson. As far as speed it was almost a dead tie, but the handling in that car was light years ahead of my T/A. The guy actually passed someone on the right when another car was entering the highway (the twisty Saw Mill River Parkway in Mt. Kisco NY). I thought he was gonna bite it for sure. After that, I had mad respect for the M3. Actually, the $700 +/- lease payment on that may be in my future. I gotta have a car that can handle like that!
" Yea, he beat me like a red headed step child! "
That made me laugh out loud at work...
EJH
03-25-2003, 10:56 AM
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Originally posted by SteVTEC
lol, *nothing* can compete with an Inline-6 in terms of smoothness because an Inline-6 is one of the few naturally balanced engine configurations out there. But for an "inherently unbalanced V6", the VQ engine is about as good as it gets in terms of overall smoothness and NVH levels without actually having a naturally balanced engine configuration.
lol, *nothing* can compete with an Inline-6 in terms of smoothness because an Inline-6 is one of the few naturally balanced engine configurations out there. But for an "inherently unbalanced V6", the VQ engine is about as good as it gets in terms of overall smoothness and NVH levels without actually having a naturally balanced engine configuration.
I think Jaguar used to use only I6 and V12's...until Ford got ahold of them, and ruined their product line (well, ok, they are selling more, and they are more reliable...) but they aren't selling to the same kind of people that they used to. They are selling to people that don't know anything about cars...usually. IMO.
because if they knew anything about cars, why would you pay $35,000 for a Luxury Ford Contour (Mondeo)??
-vq
03-25-2003, 11:56 AM
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Originally posted by VQMAN
besides the inline 6, isn't there only like one other engine that is inherently balanced? I think it's a V12...but I'm not sure...
besides the inline 6, isn't there only like one other engine that is inherently balanced? I think it's a V12...but I'm not sure...
The Inline engine is the most efficient, easiest to design, and the cheapest configuration to manufacturer. It's too bad the I-6 just isn't practical for most FWD cars today due to its length. It's extremely difficult to mount it transversely, and even then you're talking about a fairly wide/large car. So that's why you only commony see them in RWD applications.
03-25-2003, 07:41 PM
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I have had the opportunity to drive the V-12 S600 and it is amazing the torque it lays out yet feels so controlled and comfortable...
I drove it last time at Comdex in Vegas last year and look forward to Networld+Interop this year where they will do the MB Tech Drive again.
I drove it last time at Comdex in Vegas last year and look forward to Networld+Interop this year where they will do the MB Tech Drive again.
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