my friend wont stop talking how his car is the ish and how "german engineering" is superior to japan's "ricemobiles". he's a very capable driver so im not dealing with a punk kid here. hows the max compared to the gti? he wants to make this interesting by putting down some stakes so yu i need yur advice on whether i shuld step up or not

 

VW's are

don't even waste the 93 octane on the queer

 

if hes stock you should edge him out. if hes stick pray for a good launch and race until about 90 mph. i feel you can take him though.

 

I think those are actually a little underrated from the factory... I just looked the car up and suppsedly it runs a 15.4 or so in the 1/4 but a good driver could probably lower that time a bit. It'll be close basically. Take it to the auto-x and he'd leave you in the horizon.

 

actually don't underestimate the 1.8 GTI turbo. That car has more mod potential at this momment then our 2k2's. He has his car running 13s off the stock turbo and various mods such as a chip, downpipe, j pipe exhaust, bov, etc (dunno what the BOV adds as far as power but it helps). His car will romp any 2k2 max, although technically I consider it rice.

Once you step up a bit with turbo upgrades (since this car is factory turbo, this is more feasible then modding our 3.5s to turbo), the car can be a 10 second car no doubt. Read up on VW's, they are not garbage. The interior is damn nice to, and I consider them audi's on a budget.

The VR6 on the other hand you should have no problem owning, stock vs stock, or probably even if he's modded.

 

........ Read the topic. GTI VR6

PS The GTI "1.8" with stock turbo and mods you mentioned will not "romp" "any" 2k2 Max. There have been a number of videos posted on the .org with a 2k2 6spd max with an intake only running a GTI 1.8 with the mods you mentioned and the 2k2 6spd comes out ahead everytime.

 

Those cars are no slouch by any means, ask here and your answer will be with a good launch you'll win. Ask at VWvotex and you'll get laughed at. As long as its not the R32 then you stand a decent chance, it is a german car which I do belive is very well engineered. They just dont know how to make power windows that work thats all The VQ35 is no peice of junk either, I still say you can take him.

 

You should have no problem with the VR6. I raced a few of them that had some exhaust work and at the time I only had an intake. It was a friend of mine who got me into modding, actually he's a coworker as well. He kept talking crap and he had just about every bolt on you could get for his 99 or 2k VR6. Exhaust/Chip/Intake, etc. It was tuned by AutoThority. I was able to destroy him at the track, my first time out and he is an excellent driver.

 

i work at Vdub and 0 to 60 the 1.8T is faster then the VR6. their 0 to 60 is somewhere around 7.1 for the 1.8 and 7.5 for the VR6. Trust me you should be able to take him if he is stock

 

If you do it keep the car as light as possible.... don't go racing on a full tank of gas and loose the spare and any other junk in the car. Also take a healthy crap befor you go at it.

 

Aftermarket BOV isn't any better than stock unless you upgrade the turbo.

 

I have an idea: looks at some "useless" mag reports for times/specs or visit the VW board to see what times they are pulling or better yet, race him and find out (or do you only race cars you can beat?)!

 

For VW's BOV's are a It will make the engine run rich.

 

My only problem with this is...my friend used to have an 03 GTI VR6 and is now getting a VW R32...I drove the 6 spd and the VR6 has 200 hp stock...now figure the max has 55 more hp but at the same time is a lot more heavier and auto at the same time, so I don't think you will exactly romp on his car. The GTI when I drove it was indeed pretty fast, the 1.8T I guess has potentiol but when I test drove one before I was not that impressed with it...To be honest I thought about that before and I am not sure if my 2k2 could take a VR6 6 spd...I think stock for stock the numbers are VERY comparable..

 

A VR6 will romp a 2k2 auto on the highway though. The top end of the auto 4 speeds isnt so hot.

 

What is VW R32?
I raced one GTI VR6 and I was pretty impressed. Also my friend has GTI 1.8 and that car is pretty fast too, even stock.

 

It's an AWD 3.2L VR6 version of the GTi (not even for sale yet). It's nice, but it's still not all that. For the money, the EVO and STi would be better cars. Then again, the GTi (and VW) invented the subcompact pocket rocket market in the first place. It's fast, but not real fast, and it does handle pretty darn good with a good bit of suspension/driveline extras.

The 1.8T has the same torque from 1900 to 5000 RPM. Great fun for in town driving. Plus the fact that you can get 300 WHP relatively easily, and the 1.8T is massively lighter than any of the VR6's...1.8T has the handling edge and overall weight advantage.

 

GO RAPE HIS SORRY @SS!!!

 

I test drove the vr6 golf. was not impressed. It was manual, but it seemed like it wwas missing something in the engine. i know for a fact that Vw's are not crap. my wifes little mk1 cabrio has the 16 2.0 from an mk2 gti. and a turbo. she kills me in the twisties and up to about 80. and in my experience the By pass valve(BOV) is to let un used turbo gasses escape from the engine and not return to the turbo forcing it to spin in the opposite direction. which in the long run will break the blades or the ball bearings.

 

believe it or not, a BOV actually causes a loss of HP in the 1.8T engine, they gotta use diverter valves

 

About my 3rd time @ the track with my Max, Etown had a "low key" import race event taking place where each race class was divided by cylinders and induction (i.e.: 6cyl NA or 6cyl FI).

So I roll in and the only other 6cylinders racing was an M3,a 3000GT SL, a 300ZX and several VR6 Golfs (as well as a couple of older Golfs w/VR6 swaps). Needless to say, I was mainly concerned with the M3 and nothing else.

After a few runs in (running 14.7s and 14.8s), I'm expecting to get my number called for the frantic four headsup runs but I'm never called. So ask around only to find that these VR6s are running very low 14s to upper 13s with basic boltons.

That said, if those things are modded, LOOK OUT!!!

Peace