xfirepwr1

I was just reading the stats on C&D and it says that Maxima's 1/4 is 14.7 and that the new accord 0-60 in 5.9 sec and 1/4 mile 14.5. Could someone please explain this to me. Our cars have more HP and a lot mor torque and still the accord supposedly can outperform us in 1/4 mile.

Blu

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Accord Coupe

xfirepwr1

Yes the Coupe EX v-6

jjs

Unless the cars were run at the VERY SAME TIME, on the VERY SAME TRACK, under the VERY SAME CONDITIONS, etc.....then who gives a **** about 2 tenths of a second in a magazine?

Blu

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yes they are quick but don't trust C&D....plus they are not in the same class etc...

MannyNJ2k2max

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like every other honda we killem from a roll-
the coupe is alot lighter though

xfirepwr1

U r correct about not trusting C&D since it said that they tested the 6 spd and they ran a 14.7. I ran that with my auto first time I took it to the track and that was my best run. I was running 14.8 all night. I think that with a little more practice and cooler weather I could get it down to 14.5, that is my next goal with a stock max.

Maxxxed

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I drove inside my cousins Accord Coupe the other day and I must say the interior kicks ***... I don't know if he was BS'ing but he said climate control, cd-changer etc are all standard. It seemed pretty fast but it constantly had a nagging sound when accelerating and it didn't feel as smooth as our Max... it a 3.0 btw. I would still take a Max anyday!

SteVTEC

no no, you're mixed up. Hondas have no torque so Nissans, Toyotas, Kias, etc, all kill them from a stop. They're much stronger from a roll.

Maxima 6spd 14.1-14.3 > Accord 6spd 14.5-14.7
Maxima auto 14.6-14.7 > Accord auto 15.0-15.3

above = real times, not mag times.

MannyNJ2k2max

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are u sayin' that that accord coupe pulls harder than the 3.5 max 2nd-3rd gear? I do not believe it
"theres no replacement for displacement"

MannyNJ2k2max

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their advantage (coupe) is weight /taller gearing

chigga

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i wanna have a go at the new coupe. almost happened but all of a sudden cops and traffic appeared the nerve..so the 6 speed is no slouch huh??

jjs

You may want to reconsider part of this statement. Go to edmunds and take a look, you will find those coupes can be pretty heavy.


http://www.edmunds.com/new/2003/hond...enav..8.Honda*

http://www.edmunds.com/new/2003/niss...nav..8.Nissan*

F23A4

....still don't know why Honda didnt have the 5sp manual option for the V6 sedan.

xfirepwr1

Our advantage is more HP and a lot more TQ, that should give us an edge over the new Accord.

SteVTEC

Actually, in reality, the Maxima has LESS horsepower.

Maxima 6spd: 200-205 fwhp stock
Accord 6spd: 215-220 fwhp stock

But way more torque...

Maxima 6spd: 225 fwtq stock
Accord 6spd: 195 fwtq stock


Torque is what you need for daily driving and 1/4 mile performance, but on the highway the 6spd Accord will really rip. I wouldn't be surprised if it could take out a 6spd Maxima from say a 50-70 mph roll.

bigdo26

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ya the times magazines get are definatly off for some cars. I've run my auto Max at 14.6: faster than magazine times for a 6 speed. Hondas make great cars, but like everyone else says, the torque isnt there.

VMaximus02

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Your fwhp figures of both cars were from some dyno run? Why does the Maxima (claimed 255-hp) looses so much power on dyno vs the Honda (240-hp) engine? With that saying, any updates on Nissan's false advertisement claimed of horsepower on the Maxima?

xfirepwr1

That is exactly what I was asking, but for some reason it did not post it.

wild willy

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Thank God it still can't beat the Altima

Trance Artur

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Accord = 2 door / Maxima = 4 door

chigga

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i was wondering the same but didn't want to be the 1st to ask on it. thanx xfirepwr1

SteVTEC

Here is a stock "255 HP" Maxima 6spd on the dyno... Dyno source: www.nissanperformancemag.com

205 fwhp / 220 fwtq



Here is a stock "240 HP" Accord 6spd on the same type of dyno... Dyno source: www.vtec.net

217 fwhp / 195 fwtq



The 3.5L Nissan has significantly extra power in the low-end and mid-range because it has the extra displacement and because that's how it was designed to operate. It'll still give superior performance off the line and through the 1/4 mile. But the 3.0L Honda rules at the top-end. If you are on the highway, that motor will cook. It doesn't have anything on a VQ35 at lower speeds, though.

The crossover point is 5500 rpm where both are at about 200 fwhp but the Maxima's power has crested but the Honda's is still building. So an Accord V6 6spd will be able to take out a Maxima 6spd, but only if it can keep its revs above 5500 rpm solidly. The only place that will happen is at high (illegal) speeds. Weights are similar between the two cars so that would not be a factor.

chigga

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wasn't doubtin ya stevo, so those dyno numbers are at the crank right?? sorry not really into dyno'n and all that. has anyone ever ran against one to see 1st hand?? and the honda driver would have to basically know how to run his car to beat a max in top end racing.

SteVTEC

Dynos are at the wheels, not at the crank.

Divide numbers by about 0.83 to get a rough estimate of the equivalent crank numbers.

Luquire

Yes but think how many after market oppurtunities there are for the accord. It would be a lot cheaper and easier to sup it up. you get take car of the low end with a few good mods.

chigga

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i would rather take a max and have all that lovely low end and just get exhaust and intake done for starters. tq is harder to get from mods (from what i've seen) so all we would need is a lil extra to get our top end up....thanx for the info stevtec..

bigdo26

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i agree that I'd rather have more torque, seeing as hp at 6000 rpms is rarely used. But those honda interiors are real nice... any you seen them?

wild willy

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Yes they are excellent..Imagine how I feel with the Altima interior....which cost more too

Quicksilver

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You probably feel like you got raped...poor guy

maximadave

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The Accord is a butt ugly looking car IMO. Maximas rule!!! Who gives a crap if a Honduh Accord is a few tenths faster than our Maximas. There is alot more to a car than 1/4 mile times. At least you will not see a Maxima at every street corner like a Honduh.

Just look at my avatar

KLOOGY

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First of all it doesnt matter , because its a honda. If you drive one, win or lose you still look like a RETARD !

Second of all, with that tight a comparison, it will be a drivers race. Most manual transmission drivers dont know how to race their cars anyway, so if you are savy with your Max , you should be far ahead !

KL99SEA

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Am I the only one to call BS on a 6 speed stock Max at 14.1-14.3?????? Show me one time slip of a Stock max at 14.3 or better. I saw one 14.3 with a stripped interior and a 14.1 with a CAI but the actual average is 14.5 and up. I bet if you averaged all the 6 speed times in the 1/4 mile form its even higher. I think a AV6 (new) 6 speed is a drivers race with the both cars even. 14.1 out of a stock 6 speed....now come on. (yes with slicks...)

maximadave

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who cares?

wild willy

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I did...but sometimes it's fun.

3.0HO

What does the V6 accord coupe weigh? 4 door?

Are their any NA bolt on mods that do anything significant power wise as of yet? Or are they tuned nicely from the factory?

MaximaDisciple

Like the saying goes..."horsepower is for bragging rights, torque is what gets you down the road"

KLOOGY

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I personally saw Chinkzilla run a 14.2 , and my friend Leftcoast who no longer has his Max also ran a 14.2 here at Carlsbad Raceway.

IceY2K1

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36-secs. and 40-secs. between runs. Look how much the extra 4-secs. added between the 2nd-3rd vs. 1st-2nd.

That is exactly how NOT to dyno a car. Look at the heat soak affect due to no cool down. Maximas don't like that!

I'm still calling on the peak numbers, since dynolab actually uses a cooling fan when we know Stillen doesn't and heat soak had a 10hp/6wtq effect.

Got any better stock dynos Stevo?

Necco

Guys!!!! u r talkin bout a ****en coupe vs a full size sedan! still i think the maxima can take it, but look at the logics.... it the freakin sport coupe hence the word sport! its in a different class of cars so just look at how much better the maxima is..... its a sedan! and still either beats the accord coupe or comes close! is have no clue how the accord wieghts more when its smaller but hey, who knows what they put in it! i would pick the maxi and day over the accord! proly better handling and just all around better performance then the accord, so i doubt the accord outperfoms the maxima! Aiight peace!