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Old Oct 8, 2003 | 10:05 AM
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power loss due to feedback loop

according to technosquare...the feedback loop in our stock ecu will cause power loss if we install intake and exhaust? is this true? I'm also interested in the technosquare ecu.
Old Oct 8, 2003 | 10:07 AM
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Old Oct 8, 2003 | 10:12 AM
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"Changed air intake system
One of the major problems on this car was a feedback system that compensates for modifications. The oxygen sensors detects fuel mixture and will tell the ECU to richen up or lean out the mixture. This correction factor was way too wide, so some performance components upgrades (intake, exhaust) would actually result in a loss of HP below stock!
We adjusted the correction factor to reduce that compensation reaction. Our tests showed consistent power and torque improvement following installation of an intake system."
-This is directly from the technosquare website
Old Oct 8, 2003 | 10:15 AM
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Get your car dyno'd to see if it dynos low.
Old Oct 8, 2003 | 10:20 AM
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That could simply be over exaggerating a small dip in the mid RPM range that they smoothed out.

Honestly, it doesn't make sense either, since they can't change closed loop maps. The only maps they adjust are open-loop maps, which the ECU doesn't care about A/F ratio from the 02-sensor feedback.

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"Changed air intake system
One of the major problems on this car was a feedback system that compensates for modifications. The oxygen sensors detects fuel mixture and will tell the ECU to richen up or lean out the mixture. This correction factor was way too wide, so some performance components upgrades (intake, exhaust) would actually result in a loss of HP below stock!
We adjusted the correction factor to reduce that compensation reaction. Our tests showed consistent power and torque improvement following installation of an intake system."
-This is directly from the technosquare website
Old Oct 8, 2003 | 10:23 AM
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However, the ECU does monitor MAF voltage at open-loop, so a mod that increases airflow could cause the ECU to react by richening the A/F, thus decreasing power.

Still, that has NOTHING to do with "The oxygen sensors detects fuel mixture and will tell the ECU to richen up or lean out the mixture.", so I think they are mistaken on that statement.
Old Oct 8, 2003 | 03:51 PM
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so...if i'm gonna buy the technosquare ecu...should i still bring my ride into the dealer or the lack of power tsb and to get the timing advanced?
Old Oct 8, 2003 | 03:59 PM
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Since you have an auto, I'd say yes on the timing advance. Closed loop is unaffected by the TS ECU, so you'd still benefit.

Whether or not, TS changes YOUR current ECU software or simply copies the guinea pigs ECU code IS a good question. Any TSBs may be lost if they are simply just flashing your ECU with someone elses stock ECU code with tweaks to the fuel/timing maps.

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so...if i'm gonna buy the technosquare ecu...should i still bring my ride into the dealer or the lack of power tsb and to get the timing advanced?
Old Oct 8, 2003 | 05:07 PM
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what are the pros/cons to this unit.... i dont know if anyone has it yet... but from what everyone has read is this a smart mod or another jetchip?

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