stillen ehaders up date
11-06-2003, 10:11 AM
#1
stillen headers up date 0- 60 time
ok guys i did it for ya i wanted to see my zero to 60 times, and man its alot better with my mods i hit 60 at 5.8. I didnt go the quarter mile yet. To ice this matter i just raced a 2002 mustang gt on the highway starting at 55, and gave him a little head start and beat him by 2 and half car lengths before i took my foot off the gas, because their was acop ahead.I was also still pulling on him before i took my foot off the gas. Another thing i get 33 on the highway better from 30 stock and i get 28 around town better then 26 stock. But its is alot louder hard to compare though. But if i put my bose sytem all the way up i can hear the exhaust over it when i go wot. I needed to take my traction control off to do my 0-60 times, because the car pulls so much more now.
11-06-2003, 10:19 AM
#2
Originally Posted by glen1685
ok guys i did it for ya i wanted to see my zero to 60 times, and man its alot better with my mods i hit 60 at 5.8. I didnt go the quarter mile yet. To ice this matter i just raced a 2002 mustang gt on the highway starting at 55, and gave him a little head start and beat him by 2 and half car lengths before i took my foot off the gas, because their was acop ahead.I was also still pulling on him before i took my foot off the gas. Another thing i get 33 on the highway better from 30 stock and i get 28 around town better then 26 stock. But its is alot louder hard to compare though. But if i put my bose sytem all the way up i can hear the exhaust over it when i go wot. I needed to take my traction control of to do my 0-60 times, because the car pulls so much more now.
Um....what?
11-06-2003, 10:24 AM
#3
I also have a apexi intake, highflow cat, greddy evo exhaust, and the stillen headers and y pipe. Plus i dont have alot of extra weight in it i changed some stuff to make it weigh a little less. Next mod is going to be the underdrive racing pulley. I didnt weigh the stock system and new system, but it is alot lighter though.
11-06-2003, 10:48 AM
#6
You get that kind of gas mileage? I don't even remotely believe that in a million years
11-06-2003, 11:10 AM
#11
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Glen,
Pleanty of guys giving you a hard time.
I am not.
But are you going by your trip computer for the mileage?
Pleanty of guys giving you a hard time.
I am not.
But are you going by your trip computer for the mileage?
11-06-2003, 11:15 AM
#14
The headers and high flow cat with the evo exhaust and intake would give better gas mileage because the air flow it so much better. Also i know i get better miles because i compared my car to my parents they have a 2003 max auto stock.
11-06-2003, 11:18 AM
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that thing is inaccurate to me..also if you got 26 in the city with a 15 or 16 gallon gas tank...that's around 380 miles in the city!...my car won't even get that stock...so whatever type of steroids you gave your car...please let me know
11-06-2003, 11:23 AM
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Glen,
Sorry no one answered your question. The UR underdrive pulley is the first mod I did. Stock pulley weighs about 8 lbs? and the UR about 2 lb. Taking this kind of rotating weight off the crank probably frees up 2-4 HP.
I am glad I did it.
They sold me a blem. (perfectly good mechanically) with a slight flaw in the anodize at half price.
On the automatic it is tough to get the bolt out, had to use a 1/2" air gun. Other than that it is easy, you will need different belts.
Sorry no one answered your question. The UR underdrive pulley is the first mod I did. Stock pulley weighs about 8 lbs? and the UR about 2 lb. Taking this kind of rotating weight off the crank probably frees up 2-4 HP.
I am glad I did it.
They sold me a blem. (perfectly good mechanically) with a slight flaw in the anodize at half price.
On the automatic it is tough to get the bolt out, had to use a 1/2" air gun. Other than that it is easy, you will need different belts.
11-06-2003, 11:37 AM
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Glen, compaired to headers the pulley is absolute cake. Also since the 02's came out with the trip computer, the mileage reading has been joked about a whole bunch on the org.
It is off by about 5 MPG and it is not consistant.
Thats cool, you are a young guy getting into his car. We've all been there!
It is off by about 5 MPG and it is not consistant.
Thats cool, you are a young guy getting into his car. We've all been there!
11-06-2003, 11:57 AM
#23
Originally Posted by glen1685
auto but i take off in 3rd i clocked it myself also.
I know what i get for mileage cause i have the gle and it tells me all that high tech stuff lol.
I know what i get for mileage cause i have the gle and it tells me all that high tech stuff lol.
11-06-2003, 12:00 PM
#24
Originally Posted by Mick Max
Glen,
Sorry no one answered your question. The UR underdrive pulley is the first mod I did. Stock pulley weighs about 8 lbs? and the UR about 2 lb. Taking this kind of rotating weight off the crank probably frees up 2-4 HP.
I am glad I did it.
They sold me a blem. (perfectly good mechanically) with a slight flaw in the anodize at half price.
On the automatic it is tough to get the bolt out, had to use a 1/2" air gun. Other than that it is easy, you will need different belts.
Sorry no one answered your question. The UR underdrive pulley is the first mod I did. Stock pulley weighs about 8 lbs? and the UR about 2 lb. Taking this kind of rotating weight off the crank probably frees up 2-4 HP.
I am glad I did it.
They sold me a blem. (perfectly good mechanically) with a slight flaw in the anodize at half price.
On the automatic it is tough to get the bolt out, had to use a 1/2" air gun. Other than that it is easy, you will need different belts.
Or use airtools if you're really inclined.
11-06-2003, 12:32 PM
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Quicksilver,
I forgot about your post on using the starter. Your way I think is better.
YOU are about ready to spring for the headers and I think me to.
What, 6 or so guys have done this already. Taking from between 22 hours and 3 hours. I am a pretty good do it yourselfer, and I am sure you are too. How about a new thread requesting procedures on how they did it (what they removed and so on)? At least one guy removed motor (tranny?) mounts. I wonder how many have done it that way?
I forgot about your post on using the starter. Your way I think is better.
YOU are about ready to spring for the headers and I think me to.
What, 6 or so guys have done this already. Taking from between 22 hours and 3 hours. I am a pretty good do it yourselfer, and I am sure you are too. How about a new thread requesting procedures on how they did it (what they removed and so on)? At least one guy removed motor (tranny?) mounts. I wonder how many have done it that way?
11-06-2003, 02:10 PM
#27
Ok...here's what we got:
2-"bad" dynos
1-"good" 1/4-mile(or is it two?)
2-butt-dynos(1-good/1-unknown)
1-5.8s stop watch run to 60, which needs at least two one going each way to be even slightly relevant NOT to mention a BEFORE baseline.
Plus, some so called "kill" out on the hwy that I still fail to see the point on HOW that proves the headers did anything.
I'll take the dynos and 1/4-mile as proof either way, but the butt-dynos, 5.8s stopwatch time to 60, and the kill aren't helping either side IMO.
2-"bad" dynos
1-"good" 1/4-mile(or is it two?)
2-butt-dynos(1-good/1-unknown)
1-5.8s stop watch run to 60, which needs at least two one going each way to be even slightly relevant NOT to mention a BEFORE baseline.
Plus, some so called "kill" out on the hwy that I still fail to see the point on HOW that proves the headers did anything.
I'll take the dynos and 1/4-mile as proof either way, but the butt-dynos, 5.8s stopwatch time to 60, and the kill aren't helping either side IMO.
Originally Posted by maximilion
Gee guys give this guy a break. he's just trying to help us out and give his opinion with whatever tools he has.
11-06-2003, 02:35 PM
#28
IceY2K1, your statement was very blunt yet so true! This mod can potentially be a good upgrade to some but with the inconsistency of (if any "real" proven dyno) power gain from what I've read, I would rather spent that money for the Cattman Y-pipe and for the future ECU upgrade.
11-06-2003, 03:17 PM
#29
We'll see how the gains play out tomorrow. Stillen has told WILLSE that the gains they saw were with a stock exhaust setup. He (WILLSE) already had a hi-flow cat, HKS rear section, and a B pipe (2.5" IIRC) before adding the headers. They think a stock exhaust setup will do better than his (that's what they said...). Tomorrow we'll see what the Stillen headers will do with WILLSE's current mods...
11-06-2003, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Quicksilver
We'll see how the gains play out tomorrow. Stillen has told WILLSE that the gains they saw were with a stock exhaust setup. He (WILLSE) already had a hi-flow cat, HKS rear section, and a B pipe (2.5" IIRC) before adding the headers. They think a stock exhaust setup will do better than his (that's what they said...). Tomorrow we'll see what the Stillen headers will do with WILLSE's current mods...
more $tillen BS. a fully modded exhaust will...ah, i dont even want to go into it.... god i hate $tillen so much 
11-06-2003, 03:25 PM
#31
Originally Posted by IceY2K1
Ok...here's what we got:
2-"bad" dynos
1-"good" 1/4-mile(or is it two?)
2-butt-dynos(1-good/1-unknown)
1-5.8s stop watch run to 60, which needs at least two one going each way to be even slightly relevant NOT to mention a BEFORE baseline.
Plus, some so called "kill" out on the hwy that I still fail to see the point on HOW that proves the headers did anything.
I'll take the dynos and 1/4-mile as proof either way, but the butt-dynos, 5.8s stopwatch time to 60, and the kill aren't helping either side IMO.
2-"bad" dynos
1-"good" 1/4-mile(or is it two?)
2-butt-dynos(1-good/1-unknown)
1-5.8s stop watch run to 60, which needs at least two one going each way to be even slightly relevant NOT to mention a BEFORE baseline.
Plus, some so called "kill" out on the hwy that I still fail to see the point on HOW that proves the headers did anything.
I'll take the dynos and 1/4-mile as proof either way, but the butt-dynos, 5.8s stopwatch time to 60, and the kill aren't helping either side IMO.
Also, did juice ever post his actual slip, or was it just word of mouth? I don't know the guy from Adam, but if it's only word of mouth, how can we truly trust that? If he did post the slips (and I can not currently find the thread in which he did), then juice, please accept my most sincere apology in advance. If not, then either post the damn slips or get to a dyno!
11-06-2003, 03:27 PM
#32
Originally Posted by 92 SE-R 02 SE
more $tillen BS. a fully modded exhaust will...ah, i dont even want to go into it.... god i hate $tillen so much I know...they even said he had too little backpressure
(but it was a salesmen stating this, not the tech guy). The tech guy knew better than to say "that" word! 
11-06-2003, 03:37 PM
#33
Agree! Hopefully, Will fixed whatever was causing his power drop or maybe these 2K2+ ECUs really do need time to learn.
IIRC Juice just posted the numbers from his slips, not the actual slips. I'm not doubting Juice, just saying he's convinced the headers improved his 1/4-times and his times are good.
I'm not "trusting" anyone per say, just pointing out what people with the headers have posted.
IMO...more data needs to be gathered and I don't buy Stillens' BS excuse.
Hopefully, Wills dyno tomorrow goes well.
IIRC Juice just posted the numbers from his slips, not the actual slips. I'm not doubting Juice, just saying he's convinced the headers improved his 1/4-times and his times are good.
I'm not "trusting" anyone per say, just pointing out what people with the headers have posted.
IMO...more data needs to be gathered and I don't buy Stillens' BS excuse.
Hopefully, Wills dyno tomorrow goes well.
Originally Posted by Quicksilver
If more guys (like juice) would get off their a$$ and dyno, we could have more solid evidence of what they (Stillen headers) are really doing for our vehicles. Until then, all we have are "butt dynos". My butt told me (On Oct. 31st) that Will's car no longer had the massive power dip at 4500~ish RPM (as previously dynoed), but pulled massively until redline. It's pretty obvious to both he and I that the drop in power was no longer there. A bad power valve gasket was replaced.
Also, did juice ever post his actual slip, or was it just word of mouth? I don't know the guy from Adam, but if it's only word of mouth, how can we truly trust that? If he did post the slips (and I can not currently find the thread in which he did), then juice, please accept my most sincere apology in advance. If not, then either post the damn slips or get to a dyno!
Also, did juice ever post his actual slip, or was it just word of mouth? I don't know the guy from Adam, but if it's only word of mouth, how can we truly trust that? If he did post the slips (and I can not currently find the thread in which he did), then juice, please accept my most sincere apology in advance. If not, then either post the damn slips or get to a dyno!
11-06-2003, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by IceY2K1
Agree! Hopefully, Will fixed whatever was causing his power drop or maybe these 2K2+ ECUs really do need time to learn.
IIRC Juice just posted the numbers from his slips, not the actual slips. I'm not doubting Juice, just saying he's convinced the headers improved his 1/4-times and his times are good.
I'm not "trusting" anyone per say, just pointing out what people with the headers have posted.
IMO...more data needs to be gathered and I don't buy Stillens' BS excuse.
Hopefully, Wills dyno tomorrow goes well.
IIRC Juice just posted the numbers from his slips, not the actual slips. I'm not doubting Juice, just saying he's convinced the headers improved his 1/4-times and his times are good.
I'm not "trusting" anyone per say, just pointing out what people with the headers have posted.
IMO...more data needs to be gathered and I don't buy Stillens' BS excuse.
Hopefully, Wills dyno tomorrow goes well.
FYI..i WANT the headers to show MAD HP! nothing would make me happier! I think we are all just a bit discouraged from the real dyno #'s...
11-06-2003, 03:43 PM
#36
Originally Posted by 92 SE-R 02 SE
i think JUICE said he gain 2 tenths and 2 or 3 MPH. that could also be a weather related issue. Its gettin chilly on the east coast...
FYI..i WANT the headers to show MAD HP! nothing would make me happier! I think we are all just a bit discouraged from the real dyno #'s...
FYI..i WANT the headers to show MAD HP! nothing would make me happier! I think we are all just a bit discouraged from the real dyno #'s...
So was I until I learned that there were "other" problem(s) with Will's car. Don't worry, as soon as that sucker is dynoed tomorrow, I'm posting the info...
11-06-2003, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Quicksilver
So was I until I learned that there were "other" problem(s) with Will's car. Don't worry, as soon as that sucker is dynoed tomorrow, I'm posting the info...
lookin forward to it!
11-06-2003, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by glen1685
Im done trying to prove my self i personally dont care if you guys belive me or not after all im the one driving it anyways. Dont buy the headers better for me ill have the faster car.
I agree with you except for the, I'll have the fastest Maxima part. I too have the headers on my car, but until the day I can run a 13.6 and beat Blublu2k2's time I'm not going to say that I'm the fastest. I sure hope that I am though or we are. Anyway don't let these people get you down. You've got a lot of guys in here with knowledge of cars and some who think they've got knowledge. In my mind I feel that I'm making more power, but until I get to a dyno or a track I can't prove it. I've got a pretty good excuse for not going to a dyno though or a track since the closest dyno is around 4 hours from here and the closest 1/4 mile track is around 2 hours. I had planned on going down to Florida this weekend and dynoing and running at the track, but I'm not going to have the time. So I'll have to wait until next time. Anyway like I said keep your head up and screw what everynody says, if they don't like Stillen then good they don't have to buy from Stillen.