I always responded in the threads with the claims of Nissan not rating their cars properly. No one ever replied to my question so I might as well start a thread on it.

Lighter wheels give better dyno results since it's doesn't lose as much power as heavier wheels, right? If so..maybe we really do have 255hp but in the GXE model. Anyone know wheel weights for the 16" alloys the 2k2/2k3 GXE has? I would guess it's 16" wheels weigh less than the 17" SE/GLE wheels. And if this is correct, maybe we really do have 255hp

thanks for hearing me out

 

Either way it doesn't matter, until someone does an engine dyno... since that is flywheel HP, not at the wheels.

 

the wheels don't have anything to do w/ nissan's hp numbers. you do not have 255 hp to the wheels. i don't care if it's a gxe se gle abc or xyz.

 

Where does it say that he has or will get 255hp to the wheels?

 

Well the Maxima factory 17s do weigh a ton.

 

do any GXE's exist? i've never seen a 2k2+ GXE Maxima... i doubt the wheels would make a 15 hp difference tho

 

yes they do exist....standard HIDs, the cloth is different than SE, there is no sunroof, no fogs, 16" rims standard and no rear badging except for "MAXIMA"

no fogs but still standard HIDs is pretty lame and to me

 

ha, ya i agree. strange to put HID's on but no fogs. Guess the HIDs are more useful tho

 

he said the gxe might have 255 hp because of the lighter wheels.

 

From what I get, he is trying to say that if you dyno a GXE with 16" wheels, you may get a higher dyno reading at the wheels. When the number is corrected for drive train loss, it may give you 255hp at the motor.

 

yeah they exist..my mom has a sterling mist 03 GXE, but i put in the oem foglight kit
if u want pics just email me got interior/exterior shots

 

That was funny!! abc

 

my point of view is that when nissan said 255hp on the sticker on the window, thats fine... but for it not to match up with dynos (to the wheels) doesnt make sense... and I doesnt matter about lighter wheels, if it did, nissan would have put on the sticker, 255hp with carbon fiber rims.....

 

this is exactly what I meant

look we aren't getting anything fro Nissan for the "misrating" and I just wanted to know if this made any sense

 

hmm. maybe that's what he meant. if so, that's still pretty thin.
aren't all gxe models auto. if so, from the dynos i have seen, there is
still no way.........hell, take the wheels off, and it's still not going to...

 

Almost all manufactuers list the horsepower@flywheel, not@thewheels. It's just the way it works. I believe there are exceptions, but I don't know who.

 

I'll trade some overrated horsepower for some underrated torque anyday.

 

I'm with you 245 is plenty, but oh the torque. I let one of my co workers drive my car today he couldnt believe the get up and go the Max had and he drives a 02 S2000.

 

What did he expect? The S2000 is as drivable as the STI is in traffic... The best way to appreciate the two is on a twisty, country road keeping the revs up.

 

The GXE "should" be the fastest 5th Gen) if you were to do the 6 speed swap, that is...

 

Bringing up the dead?

 

If you read the thread right, you would notice I was not arguing that.

 

no the question just popped in my head when I was on clubrsx and searched Maxima and someone had a post about Nissan misrating cars..

 

Based on dyno's, its got more like 265 for torque. Just to clarify that

 

I'll take a torque-ee VQ with "get up and go" anyday...Most other cars that I've driven either:

A)Have to wiind the engine up to get the car moving,or
B) Make a whole lot of noise, but get nowhere.

As for torque vs (A), its a matter of engine philosophy and enginering(OF SOME ENGINES) . ie, most Hondas/Toyotas have power distrubuted through the power band, vs Fords/GMs, and yes Nissan

 

I read something a few months back that a lot of cars are overrated in horsepower. There is a certain percent before it is considered false advertising.

 

None of what you just said makes sense. Crank hp will always be 15-20% higher than wheel hp.

 

Honda - More hp then torque
Toyota - Tq and HP are about the same
Nissan - More Torque then Hp

 

That a bunch of bumpkus about the hp at the wheel. As everyone said, it's at the flywheel which they are correct.

 

That a bunch of bumpkus about the hp at the wheel. As everyone said, it's at the flywheel which they are correct.

 

Yes, they exist. I have one.

 

ppl claim this because the 255 hp 6spd maxima puts down as much hp (205-210 whp) as the 240 hp 5spd altima. So in actuality they are complaining that nissan overrated the hp in that aspect as the wheels in between the models will not free up anymore hp to any extent

 

in a sense you are right......since i'm sure the engine itself produces 255hp before its put in the car.....but since the cheapest way to get some sort of power reading is by wheel dynos.....everyone wants to play engineer and apply
their 15-20% power loss/drivetrain theories they fig they are correct and the manufacturers are wrong.....who is to say those percentages are on point? they may be higher.....varying among cars....too many variables to pinpoint a universal percentage to judge every car by....

 

Blah, if i knew what i was only talking about.....

hell thats why i come to this place to learn... I dont know anything of that crank mobojumbo... i dont want missing HP, thats all i know... You guys can figure the rest because i have no talent for those things.... Lets hope that someone dynoes an engine..

 

how much does it cost to dyno the engine?

 

how much $$$ do you have? hehe....

 

I heard you convert monopoly money to real money... How can I get a hold of you?

 

horsepower sells cars, torque wins races...