SR20DEN

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This may become quite controversial and I am prepared to accept a certain amount of flack for the timeslips I am about to post. However if you have nothing more constructive to say than "Well you cheated...blah blah blah" I will ignore your post and make a request that your worthless clutter it be deleted.

It all started as a joke really, I wanted to beat up on blubyu2k2 a little after he got his new ECU and make him think he wasted his money. It was going to be quite funny to me untill someone tipped him off and so the joke was ruined. I started by removing the Air Conditioner and the condensor. As it turns out the whole assembly barely weighs about 25ish pounds. Far lighter than I expected. Then I removed the rear (Addco) sway bar for even more weight reduction.

The next day after reading the Intake manifold threads and getting pi$$ed off for not following through with my two year old idea I removed my Intake manifold and made some 'speacial' adjustments . Then I spoke with Blu about going out to race but somewhere in the conversation about vehicle weights I discovered my joke was over. After that I figured I may as well remove everything else of value just to see how quick I can make the car feel. In the end I had removed the AC, sway bar, floor mats, passenger seat, rear seat, jack, spare, trunk carpet and cardboard. I even used a 4 rib belt to run the alternator. The total veichle weight with 3/4 gas and no driver was 3041 pounds (we have scales at work for each wheel).

The first test drive I quickly noticed that the car felt insanely fast and when blu drove it he almost ran it into a ditch from spinning second gear. It was then he started badgering me about taking the thing to the track today. At first I wouldn't listen because I really didn't want to go to the rice fest but eventually I decided to go because it was a perfect oppourtunity to set a new personal NA record.

And now my runs of the day, all NA with 245/45-17 Toyo T1-S tires and stock SE Maxima wheels.

12:52pm
R/T.......... .944
60' ....... 2.463
330'....... 6.030
1/8........ 9.053
MPH....... 82.38
1000...... 11.641
1/4........ 13.828
MPH....... 103.75

I was thrilled at that first run because I had jsut shattered all my previous NA runs and I finally broke into the 13's NA

Then..
1:06pm
R/T.......... .946
60' ....... 2.292
330'....... 6.008
1/8........ 9.016
MPH....... 82.35
1000...... 11.600
1/4........ 13.781
MPH....... 105.27

This had both of us scratching our heads. But the only thing I could do was try again to see if I could back it up..
And by then blu had a big "WTF" attitude and begged me to let him run my car. So I let him go and after missing 3rd gear twice on his run...

1:18pm
R/T.......... .668
60' ....... 2.277
330'....... 6.035
1/8........ 9.298
MPH....... 76.56
1000...... 12.010
1/4........ 14.272
MPH....... 100.23

After that I ran my car again and it felt like the most perfect 1/4 mile pass I have ever made at the track.

1:39
R/T.......... .741
60' ....... 2.254
330'....... 5.949
1/8........ 8.944
MPH....... 82.74
1000...... 11.510
1/4........ 13.673
MPH....... 106.41

This was now the first time I have ever run below 9 seconds in the 1/8 NA.


Blu tried another run..... he missed 3rd again..

2:05pm
R/T.......... .552
60' ....... 2.341
330'....... 6.104
1/8........ 9.190
MPH....... 81.08
1000...... 11.799
1/4........ 14.010
MPH....... 102.23




A few hours later...

5:10pm
R/T.......... .765
60' ....... 2.352
330'....... 6.064
1/8........ 9.056
MPH....... 83.12
1000...... 11.615
1/4........ 13.776
MPH....... 106.01


Afterwards blu ran my car again against a Z28 SS and lost. I seem to be missing that timeslip. I tried to lineup against that same car but it didn't work out. I ran (and beat) his buddy in a Ram Air Trans Am.
6:21pm
R/T.......... .525
60' ....... 2.385
330'....... 6.193
1/8........ 9.220
MPH....... 82.36
1000...... 11.803
1/4........ 13.980
MPH....... 104.07

This wasn't a good run but I suspect we ahd a nasty headwind on this one. The wind was blowing pretty hard against us most of the day.


And my final run of the day against blu, (which I won)
6:34pm
R/T.......... .737
60' ....... 2.293
330'....... 6.011
1/8........ 9.013
MPH....... 82.74
1000...... 11.581
1/4........ 13.746
MPH....... 106.22


So that is most of it. I do believe these trap speeds are accurate after looking over the data and based on how much top end my car has right now. I will try to back it up at another track sometime soon and even do more research into my intake manifold project. I know it's making more top end power because the S-AFC II says I peak out at 64-65% MAF instead of the previous best of 62%.


Let the comments begin...

bk2kmax

Great run times for you, too bad for Blu, he just couldn't get it in gear. Btw, did you guys happen to get any video?

Those are some sweet times, can you tell us what special things you did to your manifold?

SmokinOdum

Nice runs. 106mph is haulin!

MacAlert

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Hey, whats with your R/T? Reacting kind of slow there.

SR20DEN

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There is at least one or more videos of a 106mph run but I have to get in touch with those people that took them. I will post a video as soon as I get one.

For now Im not prepared to disclose the details of the Intake manifold. Once I come up with a tried and true setup I will duplicate it for profit.

SR20DEN

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As stupid as your post is is raises an important question that I forgot to include.

My mod list as it stands

Stock ported airbox and resonator.
Stock catback exhaust.
Hollow OE cat.

Cattman 3.0 Headers

UR UDP

And other than the weight reduction and the 'messaged' manifold that is all I have.

SR20DEN

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I shallow stage and am already rolling forward before the start of the last yellow light. I don't go to the track as often as some of you so I am a bit rusty at the launch.

.500 is a perfect light at this track and I did cut a .525 once. So they're not all bad.

03BlkSETE

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Great times.
I know you don't want to reveal details yet but how long do you expect your intake manifold project to take and what do you expect from it?

LithiuMax

Sweet times, especially for the lack of mods. Craig is

Jime

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Great times and speeds Matt.

Our tracks open in 2 weeks and we got snow today so my modding came to a halt.

SR20DEN

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Thanks man for the props!!!

I dunno if you've spoken to blu today but we have aquired some data that I know you would be interested in.

92 SE-R 02 SE

so do you think the Cattman headers make more power than the HS ones? Do you have any dyno #'s?

Jay_pee99

Great times!!! sooooo, whats the secret. I got 14.19 @99.32mph Bone stock. But i'm looking for the right mods to get me into the mid 13's.

MrGone

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weeeeeeeeee

(and Craig, I hope you have a fire extinguisher for your Ford I know mines come in handy for mine )

I cant wait for videos

SR20DEN

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I have no dyno charts or factual data to support anything about the headers. However it is my belief that the headers are the single best thing you can do NA to make more power on these cars and go down the track faster because of the huge weight difference vs. the boat anchor manifolds. I also speculate that the Hotshot headers, if not equal, make just a wee bit more peak power than the Cattman. But again I have no data to say which one will actually make the car go down the track faster which in reality is far more important than a peak number on a dyno.

IceY2K1

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BBBBBBoooooo...ya~!

And you'd better explain WTF you're talking about with the manifold.

bk2kmax

Hey thanks for the reply, I figured it was something that you weren't ready to put out yet because it isn't something you'd recommend us all doing but you know how curiousity can be.

Hope to see that vid soon, once again congrats on the sweet times, I bet those katz there got a whole new respect for the Family Sedan.

limsandy

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Very nice...... now get some 13 lbs 17x8 wheels and tell us how much difference it makes.


~limsandy

MAX2000JP

Are you sure the trap speeds of other cars were accurate? That trap speed seems to be a little high considering what I have seen of highly modded Z's.

BlackBIRDVQ

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Hotshot vs Cattman header comparison please !! I been looking all over the net for info on HP #s for these 2 against eachother. I'm ready to buy a set for my 3.0 but no one can provide me with info on the Cattmans vs never tried HS headers on a 3.0L. 13.6 is fast for a NA sedan weighting 3K lbs ! Try that in a Impala SS or a GTP Grand Prix- cars with alot more displacement - Impala has 5.7Ls, and GTP has a supercharger. Both of these take ALOT to run those times. Mad props to the 5th gens

emax02

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Pretty dang good Matt, it's interesting to see what you have achieved since I stopped following the org. I will be interested to hear about your IM tweek.

I30tMikeD

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I am floored right now. 106mph!!!!!!!!!!! Shocked, just shocked.

Triple8Sol

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Wow..........

HitManSE

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Oh yeah, that is definetly belivable. VERY nice traps Matt!!

I could only imagine what you could pull if you somehow hit a 2.1 60ft...13.4

The fastest N/A time ive ever heard of off a 2k2 6spd came from a local guy here in Phx...

R/T---035
60'----2.119
330---5.799
1/8---8.796
MPH--81.34
1000-11.436
1/4---13.619
MPH--103.25

Your definetly making more power then this 3.5 6spd was, but traction...thats a diff issue
Im not really surprised at all man, keep it up. You know you got some more left in that ride.

Blu

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As accurate as ever. His car is just that fast although its hard to believe I saw it 4 times so it wasn't a fluke, and my car was running normal times and trap speeds.

fastvtecCL

i was there and watched matt make these runs.... i have one of his runs on tape were he trapped 106mph..

3.0HO

That is fast. Get the guy to list his mods, timeslip and weight reduction if any.

K Pazzo 6

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damn.....thats all i can say

IceY2K1

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I believe I know who he's talking about and he'd had a GAB and header/full exhaust.

He got taken out of the hole by a G35 6spd, but reeled it in around the 1/8th and won by a car or so from what I hear.

MAX2000JP

It's just hard to believe. I have been following what guys with 350Z's are running and no one has run that fast N/A. I think the highest 350 trap speed I have seen was 104 N/A with quite a bit of mods.

Blu

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well if you don't believe it nothing more we can say or do. I was done 4 times not just one fluke pass. No other cars were running faster than normal yesterday. Has anyone opened up the manifold or removed the a/c making it one less big pulley to run? I don't believe so. Its not fine print what he did some people are just skipping over the details and trying to find ways not to believe it.

DougJones

Outstanding times! I'd love to know what the secret manifold project is.

MAX2000JP

People have replaced the entire manifold, headers, UR pulley,etc and not attained that high of a trap speed.

Blu

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so basically the same mods Matt has except he worked his manifold himself. Again you are overlooking the car being approx 150lbs lighter from weigh reduction and having the AC compressor removed along with the 4" pulley with it creating less of a load for the remaining pulleys to run on as well as a lot shorter belt. His cars top end is unreal but I knew there would be plenty of non believers no matter how much proof was brought to the table.

MAX2000JP

Maybe he can explain exactly what he did to his manifold?

Blu

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believe it or not the A/C more than likely had more effect than the IM tweak. If he does dyno and show a significant gain from the IM he will start producing them and selling them for the people wanting to pony up and get the power. Although what he did on the IM showed approx 3-4% more airflow on his SAFC2. I can't say anything that im not entitled too but Im sure Matt will enlighten everyone a little more once he gets home from work. I am just trying to explain a little so people understand how this was accomplished. We will be going back to the track soon and possibly testing the combo of the IM and no A/C to see what kind of results I get.

TravisC

Great times, I can't wait to hear what this IM mod is. BTW, I'm kinda new here, what does NA mean?

Chinkzilla

I'm with blubyu2k2 here. The A/C compressor and accessories place an incredible parasitic drain on the motor even when not in use. Try this, warm up your car, while idling, yank the steering wheel left and right. Watch your rpm's rise. We're not talking about a UDP here which is just lighter and barely underdrives anything. We're talking about removing the entire thing.

I can't comment on the IM project cuz I have no idea what it entails. But if it helps to recoup some of the difference in top end between the max and the Z, then I wouldn't be surprised.

deezo

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Congrats on the times Matt.

MAX2000JP

Correct me if I am wrong, but doesnt the A/C only create significant drag when operational? I have heard of people removing the A/C in Mustangs, but it doesn't free a significant amount of hp. The same goes for removing the fan off the water pump and going with an electric fan in older cars.