FSTB question..
08-19-2004, 01:47 PM
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FSTB advice.. need some help guys
ok if i get the front strut tower bar.. and that would be my only modification for suspension.. would i be happy with the results or at least be able to notice any
I would prob get a cheap one off of Ebay for like 25$ shipped
link..
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=33591
or should i just save up a bit and get the RSB... but im kinda worried about the whole drifting the tail end out.. cause i go around a lot of turns fast and swinging the tail out wouldnt be much fun.. ( it is in my dads BMW, but different story)
So FSTB or should i just shut the hell up about the concern with the RSB. And will the 25$ FSTB do anything?
any help is Awsome!!!
I would prob get a cheap one off of Ebay for like 25$ shipped
link..
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=33591
or should i just save up a bit and get the RSB... but im kinda worried about the whole drifting the tail end out.. cause i go around a lot of turns fast and swinging the tail out wouldnt be much fun.. ( it is in my dads BMW, but different story)
So FSTB or should i just shut the hell up about the concern with the RSB. And will the 25$ FSTB do anything?
any help is Awsome!!!
08-19-2004, 02:23 PM
#2
no, you will not be happy with it. It makes a minimal difference in overall handling...the only time you notice it is during high speed turning, and only a little then.....
get the RSB - it is well worth it and you can get a Cattman/Addco/Progress one for around $100...its not that expensive. I'm not sure where the "drifting the tail" comes in...RSB was my first mod and I've never lost the tail driving aggressively. You just need to slightly change your cornering style to compensate....but believe me, the RSB makes a HUGE difference in making the max handle better and sit flatter through turns.....you should have no "drifting the tail end out" if you have decent tires (READ: Not Potenzas)...
get the RSB - it is well worth it and you can get a Cattman/Addco/Progress one for around $100...its not that expensive. I'm not sure where the "drifting the tail" comes in...RSB was my first mod and I've never lost the tail driving aggressively. You just need to slightly change your cornering style to compensate....but believe me, the RSB makes a HUGE difference in making the max handle better and sit flatter through turns.....you should have no "drifting the tail end out" if you have decent tires (READ: Not Potenzas)...
08-19-2004, 03:00 PM
#5
Go ahead and get the FSTB. It's cheap and easy to install. No, it won't make your car handle like a go-kart but it'll feel a little more solid during lane changes on the interstate and whatnot.
Pick up the RSB if and when you can too. I bought one that's sitting in my dining room at the moment until I have some time to install it.
Pick up the RSB if and when you can too. I bought one that's sitting in my dining room at the moment until I have some time to install it.
08-19-2004, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by I30swimmer
to bad that isnt you in the picture tho .. that chick is hot ( i know your a guy tho. so that wasnt ment in a homo way)
Not to disagree with you too much, Irish, but I noticed a big difference when I added my FSTB. The steering response was sharper, self centering was better and the front end just feels more planted. Less understeer, too. I had the RSB for a while, but didn't care for it. It seemed to make the rear want to step out a bit more abruptly than without it. Just my .02.
08-19-2004, 03:24 PM
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so basically do you think the 25 dollar bar would do anything.. ?http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=33591
08-19-2004, 03:28 PM
#8
Originally Posted by I30swimmer
so basically do you think the 25 dollar bar would do anything.. ?http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=33591
For $25, you're certainly not going to hurt anything and if you drive like I do, you'll definitely notice a difference!
08-19-2004, 03:33 PM
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i thought that chick is his wife....HEY Irish is she ur wife?.. she's really hot...and a mature woman
Originally Posted by I30swimmer
to bad that isnt you in the picture tho .. that chick is hot ( i know your a guy tho. so that wasnt ment in a homo way)
08-19-2004, 03:42 PM
#10
Originally Posted by Bl_asd
i thought that chick is his wife....HEY Irish is she ur wife?.. she's really hot...and a mature woman
08-19-2004, 03:50 PM
#13
if you wanna see more of that chick, go to www.emptyspiral.net - she's the lead singer of a band. She does look alot like my wife though.....
as to FSTB Kirzan, maybe I didn't notice the difference much since I already had a RSB and LTB on.....I know the FSTB does something...but it does $25 worth of something A RSB does $100-200 of something, proportionally!
as to FSTB Kirzan, maybe I didn't notice the difference much since I already had a RSB and LTB on.....I know the FSTB does something...but it does $25 worth of something
A RSB does $100-200 of something, proportionally!
08-19-2004, 04:01 PM
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get the RSB.
www.cattman.com
www.cattman.com
08-19-2004, 04:05 PM
#16
Originally Posted by I30swimmer
yeah wtf with the mature woman thing?
but FSTB and RSB are the topic
but FSTB and RSB are the topic
Just messin' with ya dude. No, she ain't no Olsen Twin, but she's hot!
08-19-2004, 04:15 PM
#18
guys...it's painfully obvious that I am a bit older than you...I have no idea who Linda Carter is and I can't for the life of me picture what Lindsey Wagner looks like.....I like my women old enough at least to legally drink.....btw I believe the girl in the pic is about 26-27, a little younger than me....
I am a man among boys in this thread
I am a man among boys in this thread
08-19-2004, 04:29 PM
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Suspension Upgrades
Swimmer - Irish is giving you good advice. The bars are designed and intended to serve different purposes. The FSTB ties your strut towers together to take chassis flex out when you're stressing the front - this allows the suspension to work the the springs and struts the way they were designed without body flexing. The result is a less busy feeling and less need for correction under cornering and bumpy conditions. The RSB pits one side of your rear suspension against the other like a big spring (torsion bar) to decrease body roll or lean. This is suspension science that's been around forever. A stiffer rear bar tends to produce less understeer or more oversteer. I have the Progress RSB from Cattman, and the result was dramatic. Before installation I always felt like the back end was changing roll and direction during high speed turns, creating a lack of confidence and a need for constant steering correction. Now it's just plain planted even when the road is uneven. If I only had $25 the FSTB is an improvement, if I only had $100 I'd go for the RSB, the change is major. Good Luck, let me know if you need any installation tips. I figures out a couple of tricks to save the ABS wire brackets etc.
08-19-2004, 04:46 PM
#21
Originally Posted by irish44j
oh wait, WONDER WOMAN??? YEah!....
Lindsay Carter was the 'Bionic Woman' (she does the sleep select matress commercials, Linda Carter does the 1-800-Contacts commercials)! You're too old to remember either of them??? I just turned 31 (yeah, shut up) Those were the girls I wanted when I was a kid.
Nevertheless, Irish, if your woman looks anything like your sig pic, you're a lucky man -- assuming she's not psychotic! ROFL. You old man, you!!!
08-19-2004, 04:53 PM
#22
Originally Posted by MaxArt
Swimmer - Irish is giving you good advice. The bars are designed and intended to serve different purposes. The FSTB ties your strut towers together to take chassis flex out when you're stressing the front - this allows the suspension to work the the springs and struts the way they were designed without body flexing. The result is a less busy feeling and less need for correction under cornering and bumpy conditions. The RSB pits one side of your rear suspension against the other like a big spring (torsion bar) to decrease body roll or lean. This is suspension science that's been around forever. A stiffer rear bar tends to produce less understeer or more oversteer. I have the Progress RSB from Cattman, and the result was dramatic. Before installation I always felt like the back end was changing roll and direction during high speed turns, creating a lack of confidence and a need for constant steering correction. Now it's just plain planted even when the road is uneven. If I only had $25 the FSTB is an improvement, if I only had $100 I'd go for the RSB, the change is major. Good Luck, let me know if you need any installation tips. I figures out a couple of tricks to save the ABS wire brackets etc.
08-19-2004, 05:01 PM
#24
Originally Posted by I30swimmer
hmm thanks everyone .. i think ill try and get the RSB but of course i need help install so tips would be great.. ill just save them now so i can use them later too so any tips wouldbe great
08-19-2004, 05:19 PM
#25
Originally Posted by kirzan
EXACTLY!!!
Lindsay Carter was the 'Bionic Woman' (she does the sleep select matress commercials, Linda Carter does the 1-800-Contacts commercials)! You're too old to remember either of them??? I just turned 31 (yeah, shut up) Those were the girls I wanted when I was a kid.
Nevertheless, Irish, if your woman looks anything like your sig pic, you're a lucky man -- assuming she's not psychotic! ROFL. You old man, you!!!
Lindsay Carter was the 'Bionic Woman' (she does the sleep select matress commercials, Linda Carter does the 1-800-Contacts commercials)! You're too old to remember either of them??? I just turned 31 (yeah, shut up) Those were the girls I wanted when I was a kid.
Nevertheless, Irish, if your woman looks anything like your sig pic, you're a lucky man -- assuming she's not psychotic! ROFL. You old man, you!!!
I forgot about bionic woman...wasn't really into that....wonderwoman was hot, but I was more into Daisy Duke at that time frame (yeah, and there was great driving action in DUkes of Hazzard too)....I'm just about 29, so me and you are about the same generation....
Top 3 shows of my childhood:
-Dukes of Hazzard (Daisy Dukes, Car chases, and sliding over the hood!)
-CHiPs (Ponch was the bomb!)
-A-Team. (I wanted that van!!!)
I bet half of the young'uns on the org have never seen any of those shows! haha
maybe reruns on TNT at 2 a.m.oh, and get the RSB. Just to keep on topic.
08-19-2004, 05:19 PM
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hmm...not sure the girls you are talking about...but the woman in the pic is a psychotic? that's what i like..i will be 21 tomorrow btw(YES, I CAN BUY BEER). I like those kind of girls dress black with dark hair and dark looking...with super dark eye make up also lip..hahahahaha...
Originally Posted by kirzan
EXACTLY!!!
Lindsay Carter was the 'Bionic Woman' (she does the sleep select matress commercials, Linda Carter does the 1-800-Contacts commercials)! You're too old to remember either of them??? I just turned 31 (yeah, shut up) Those were the girls I wanted when I was a kid.
Nevertheless, Irish, if your woman looks anything like your sig pic, you're a lucky man -- assuming she's not psychotic! ROFL. You old man, you!!!
Lindsay Carter was the 'Bionic Woman' (she does the sleep select matress commercials, Linda Carter does the 1-800-Contacts commercials)! You're too old to remember either of them??? I just turned 31 (yeah, shut up) Those were the girls I wanted when I was a kid.
Nevertheless, Irish, if your woman looks anything like your sig pic, you're a lucky man -- assuming she's not psychotic! ROFL. You old man, you!!!
08-19-2004, 05:33 PM
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blastd...she's not psychotic, she's the singer for a hard rock band (think Evanescence, but much much much much better and more talented). check the link I posted above, dog.
You seriously don't know Wonder Woman, Bionic Woman or Daisy Duke?
Based on the women you like, if you're ever in NYC, go to Limelight (if it's still there)...nice punk/goth scene
You seriously don't know Wonder Woman, Bionic Woman or Daisy Duke?
Based on the women you like, if you're ever in NYC, go to Limelight (if it's still there)...nice punk/goth scene
08-19-2004, 05:38 PM
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thx for indo...she got another big fan now. 
and i don't know wonder woman indeed.. none of them..
and i don't know wonder woman indeed.. none of them..
Originally Posted by irish44j
blastd...she's not psychotic, she's the singer for a hard rock band (think Evanescence, but much much much much better and more talented). check the link I posted above, dog.
You seriously don't know Wonder Woman, Bionic Woman or Daisy Duke?
Based on the women you like, if you're ever in NYC, go to Limelight (if it's still there)...nice punk/goth scene
You seriously don't know Wonder Woman, Bionic Woman or Daisy Duke?
Based on the women you like, if you're ever in NYC, go to Limelight (if it's still there)...nice punk/goth scene
08-19-2004, 08:12 PM
#29
Hey Kirzan, I30swimmer, and Bl_asd, I noticed you were all from central florida. There is a meet on Saturday August 21 in orlando. Trying to get as many people as I can to come it should be fun..Any of you attending? Info can be found on the Southeast forum. Check it out.
08-19-2004, 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Max20SE00
Hey Kirzan, I30swimmer, and Bl_asd, I noticed you were all from central florida. There is a meet on Saturday August 21 in orlando. Trying to get as many people as I can to come it should be fun..Any of you attending? Info can be found on the Southeast forum. Check it out.
i know it..but i'll be work at a damn publix...i work from 2pm to 11pm sry..Studman already told me about this a while ago.
08-20-2004, 01:07 PM
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If you like chick singers for bands, check out www.velvetbrick.com
what are the "mods" for the rstb so that it won't rattle and clunk? and once again, where can i get one for $100?
what are the "mods" for the rstb so that it won't rattle and clunk? and once again, where can i get one for $100?
08-20-2004, 01:19 PM
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yeah i have new tires Pilot sport A/S.. so they are pretty good. starting to get a little worn around the corners.. but still they are pretty good..
Yeah i think the RSB will be the way to go.. i just have to find the funds.. and the time with school starting back up
Yeah i think the RSB will be the way to go.. i just have to find the funds.. and the time with school starting back up
08-22-2004, 12:02 PM
#34
Originally Posted by JazzyFunkyKool
If you like chick singers for bands, check out www.velvetbrick.com
what are the "mods" for the rstb so that it won't rattle and clunk? and once again, where can i get one for $100?
what are the "mods" for the rstb so that it won't rattle and clunk? and once again, where can i get one for $100?
if you get the progress/cattman/addco bar there are no "mods" you just have to move the bushings outward I think.....if it's a stillen bar there is no problems with clunk either...
04-01-2005, 09:09 AM
#36
Originally Posted by irish44j
nah the too old comment was directed toward the olsen twins comment....hell when I was in Hight school they were little babies on "full house" haha...
I forgot about bionic woman...wasn't really into that....wonderwoman was hot, but I was more into Daisy Duke at that time frame (yeah, and there was great driving action in DUkes of Hazzard too)....I'm just about 29, so me and you are about the same generation....
Top 3 shows of my childhood:
-Dukes of Hazzard (Daisy Dukes, Car chases, and sliding over the hood!)
-CHiPs (Ponch was the bomb!)
-A-Team. (I wanted that van!!!)
I bet half of the young'uns on the org have never seen any of those shows! haha maybe reruns on TNT at 2 a.m.
oh, and get the RSB. Just to keep on topic.
I forgot about bionic woman...wasn't really into that....wonderwoman was hot, but I was more into Daisy Duke at that time frame (yeah, and there was great driving action in DUkes of Hazzard too)....I'm just about 29, so me and you are about the same generation....
Top 3 shows of my childhood:
-Dukes of Hazzard (Daisy Dukes, Car chases, and sliding over the hood!)
-CHiPs (Ponch was the bomb!)
-A-Team. (I wanted that van!!!)
I bet half of the young'uns on the org have never seen any of those shows! haha
maybe reruns on TNT at 2 a.m.oh, and get the RSB. Just to keep on topic.
A-TEAM!!!!
04-01-2005, 11:27 AM
#38
Originally Posted by Puppetmaster
What the heck? Another thread back from the dead....
I'm so confused. Where the hell did I dig this one up? I haven't even done a search recently. Somebody must have posted something above me and deleted it. 
Sorry Puppet....
04-01-2005, 11:30 AM
#39
Originally Posted by TheBigDu
Wait, I'm so confused. Where the hell did I dig this one up? I haven't even done a search recently. Somebody must have posted something above me and deleted it. Sorry Puppet....
I'm so confused. Where the hell did I dig this one up? I haven't even done a search recently. Somebody must have posted something above me and deleted it. Sorry Puppet....
04-01-2005, 11:32 AM
#40
Originally Posted by Puppetmaster
Don't apologize to me... I did it the other day too... its something to do with spam... a thread gets bumped back up by a bogus poster and the post is deleted or something... I dunno... but Uncle Sprinty was talkin about it last week....
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