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Old Apr 14, 2001 | 03:45 PM
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I was just thinking...taking Desert Pearl's methods into consideration...just wait until some dumbass totals his 2003 maxima se'r...and pay like half for his crank and rods to increase displacement in our cars!

does anyone have a hunch on how they're making the extra .5? if it is the crank for displacement this would work right?

then i would add a 150 shot nitrous and a supercharger
Old Apr 14, 2001 | 04:33 PM
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yea but then, u have to install.... thats a pain to me.. ur not very nice to people who crash huh!?? haha j/p
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Old Apr 14, 2001 | 09:04 PM
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Stroking the engine is not the right way to get the power. You have to bore it out some.

Go take a look at google for engine design pages, you will see, bore is the way to go.
Old Apr 14, 2001 | 09:11 PM
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Originally posted by bert
Stroking the engine is not the right way to get the power. You have to bore it out some.

Go take a look at google for engine design pages, you will see, bore is the way to go.

speaking of boring... i once saw a Brabus MBZ go from a 3.5 to a 4.9 liter engine! wouldn't you be afraid that to a certain point the engine wouldn't be able to take all that pressure? ich weiss nicht....


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Old Apr 14, 2001 | 09:35 PM
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Originally posted by areX



speaking of boring... i once saw a Brabus MBZ go from a 3.5 to a 4.9 liter engine! wouldn't you be afraid that to a certain point the engine wouldn't be able to take all that pressure? ich weiss nicht....


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not as bad as a mercedes 3.5 bored to 6.2!
Old Apr 14, 2001 | 09:53 PM
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damnnnnnn 3.5 to 6.2..
Old Apr 15, 2001 | 12:33 AM
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Originally posted by LoveSick


not as bad as a mercedes 3.5 bored to 6.2!
hmm...maybe we can do an engine swap from a 3.5 max, then bore it to 6.2L to show that we mean business...
Old Apr 15, 2001 | 06:11 AM
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You would also need an ECU to go along with the extra .5 litres of displacement.
Old Apr 15, 2001 | 09:48 AM
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That is the tradeoff when you get an aluminium block. It weighs less, something like 100 pounds less, but the tolerances do not permit much boost.

The 280HP skyline with a steel block can (and does) some 600-700-800HP). The Sentra's block can do 600 HP.
Old Apr 15, 2001 | 11:43 AM
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More displacement

You cant really just replace the crank and become the 3.5l engine. You have to bore the engine out thats only if nissan did not use a bigger block all togther. For instance the contour guys can bumb there 2.5l engine to 3.0 but they have throw in the block from a tuaras which is 3.0. So I'm pretty sure it would be easier to do and engin swap.
Old Apr 15, 2001 | 01:35 PM
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Yep, probably easier to do a swap. The 3.5L in the Altima still confuses me-- I wonder what that means to the 3.0L of the current Maxima's VQ??????????????
Old Apr 16, 2001 | 10:51 AM
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C&D drove the Pathfinder when it was new...

And they got the skinny on the displacement increase straight from Nissan. It came from a stroker crank and shorter connecting rods. There is a difference in the cylinder bores, but it is very negligible.
If Nissan was going to bore the VQ out to 3.5L, they would have to take the raw, unbored VQ block and bore it out with a larger dimension in mind. They'd also have to add bigger pistons too. This is because you can't bore out aluminum block engine very far beyond the initial stock bore.
That's why you're seeing Hondas(mostly the B16/18s) getting stroke jobs done. If you combine the stroking work(Crower offers a 2L kit for the B-series engines) and a tiny bit of boring(I personally haven't read about more than .20 over), a B-series engine can almost match a Prelude's H22A in displacement with a lot less weight.
Old Apr 16, 2001 | 11:01 AM
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That won't work. You will end up w/ some really high compression ratios. The best way would just to swap the whole 3.5 engine(if it will actually phyically fit) I bet it's a little taller. ie. block height is taller to accomodate the longer stroke length.

Originally posted by Pmp-n8a
I was just thinking...taking Desert Pearl's methods into consideration...just wait until some dumbass totals his 2003 maxima se'r...and pay like half for his crank and rods to increase displacement in our cars!

does anyone have a hunch on how they're making the extra .5? if it is the crank for displacement this would work right?

then i would add a 150 shot nitrous and a supercharger
Old Apr 16, 2001 | 01:27 PM
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Should Fit

Isn't this 3.5 liter going into the 5th Gen body style?
It's got to fit somehow.
Old Apr 16, 2001 | 02:41 PM
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Re: C&D drove the Pathfinder when it was new...

Anyone have the specs on the 3.5? I'll see if my shop manual has the 3.0 specs.

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And they got the skinny on the displacement increase straight from Nissan. It came from a stroker crank and shorter connecting rods. There is a difference in the cylinder bores, but it is very negligible.
If Nissan was going to bore the VQ out to 3.5L, they would have to take the raw, unbored VQ block and bore it out with a larger dimension in mind. They'd also have to add bigger pistons too. This is because you can't bore out aluminum block engine very far beyond the initial stock bore.
That's why you're seeing Hondas(mostly the B16/18s) getting stroke jobs done. If you combine the stroking work(Crower offers a 2L kit for the B-series engines) and a tiny bit of boring(I personally haven't read about more than .20 over), a B-series engine can almost match a Prelude's H22A in displacement with a lot less weight.
Old Apr 16, 2001 | 03:42 PM
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Look at the specs for the Pathfinder. It's the same engine just better breathed and exhausted.

the only question left is, is the 6sp going to make it and what the ratios are going to be.
Old Apr 16, 2001 | 04:07 PM
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For those who are interested......a pic of the 3.5 from the NY Auto Show
Old Apr 16, 2001 | 05:23 PM
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Thanks Haulin. I think my eyes are getting a little misty. It's just beautiful.


I can't wait!

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For those who are interested......a pic of the 3.5 from the NY Auto Show
Old Apr 16, 2001 | 05:48 PM
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Thanks Haulin. I think my eyes are getting a little misty. It's just beautiful.


I can't wait!


Stay tuned for more upcoming pics from the Nissan booth @ the show! I will be posting them soon!
Old Apr 16, 2001 | 06:10 PM
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Im assuming the VQ35 will also be an aluminum block??...this will also mean that it will have the same limits as the VQ30 in terms of boost correct?

ie. currently the VQ30 has an approx. limit of 400 hp...
since the vq35 would still be an aluminum block the limit would still be 400 hp right? or maybe even less since it has been bored?? could increased compression from boost be more of a problem for the 3.5?

hogan...isnt the intake man. on the 5th gens plastic?
Old Apr 16, 2001 | 06:56 PM
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Originally posted by Pmp-n8a


hogan...isnt the intake man. on the 5th gens plastic?
it's some sort of special plastic resin....I think BMW is also using it in their engines now....
Old Apr 16, 2001 | 08:59 PM
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Damn good lookin' engine, is that a precat right on the header? that would be a pain in the *** to get rid of right? Anyway I would highly be in favor of an engine swap but you would have to do the tranny swap too from a 5 speed to the new 6 speed!!!!!!! God that new max is going to be really sweet. Don't flame me or anything guys but I would rather do an engine swap to my 97 just because in my personal opinion I like the look of the 4th gen the best, the 5th gen second. and correct me if I am wrong but Nissan is putting that engine in the 5th gen body first before they go to the 6th gen, I guess we will have to call that the 5 1/2 gen Anyway just a thought.
Old Apr 17, 2001 | 06:50 AM
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Take some pics of your engine, Hogan. I'd like to see it.
Old Apr 17, 2001 | 07:05 AM
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Originally posted by yo_its_ok


Anyone really good with photoshop and can bring out a Maxima Speedo in darkness ?

I can give it a try tonight after work...I am decent with photoshop.....just drop them in my e-mail and I will try and post them tonight....
Old Apr 17, 2001 | 07:08 AM
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Maybe Psing23 and Maxima97GLE can have a sketch artist draw it from memory?

Originally posted by yo_its_ok


Psing23 saw it, Maxima97GLE saw it, anyone got a digital camera I can borrow ? Maybe I'll have Brett take picso n Friday when I install his big brakes.
Anyone really good with photoshop and can bring out a Maxima Speedo in darkness ?
the 125mph shot of Maxima97GLE and I came out too dark, and after scanning you can't tell the speed, but in the actual photo you can see the needle if you shift it around the light.

Old Apr 17, 2001 | 07:57 AM
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Post the pic up and let us take a stab at it, Hogan.
Old Apr 17, 2001 | 03:07 PM
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cryogenics? this sounds expensive....
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