Auto windows
02-27-2005, 03:52 PM
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Auto windows
OK, I love the auto up and down of the driver's window on my max. I hate it that I dont have it on the other windows (mostly the front right). BMWs have had this on at least the front two since the early 90s. I want to put auto up and down on the other window. My question is: what needs to be changed for this to work. I am hoping that it is all in the switch, but I seriously doubt that is the case. I have a feeling that there are sensors in the window so the motor knows when to stop reeling it up or down. Any insight would be greatly appreciated. Thanks alot.
02-27-2005, 03:56 PM
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check the audio forum. there was someone mentioning this that there is a component that is placed in between the motor and the harness. it tricks the ecu into thinking that the key is in the hole and you have it held. in other words, it will go all the way up as if you had the key and turned.
now, if you have an aftermarket alarm, you can simply add a window control module to each pair of windows. i currently have this setup so all 4 windows go down with channel 5 and they go up when i arm.
now, if you have an aftermarket alarm, you can simply add a window control module to each pair of windows. i currently have this setup so all 4 windows go down with channel 5 and they go up when i arm.
02-27-2005, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Charliejag
OK I'm not talking about remote. I just mean on the actual door, where the window switches are.
02-27-2005, 04:18 PM
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Charliejag-
Not sure if you know this, but 5.5 gens have Auto on both driver and passenger front windows from the factory. So I guess if you could get a hold of whatever it is that makes it work in the passenger door on a 5.5, that might not be too expensive.
-Brian
Not sure if you know this, but 5.5 gens have Auto on both driver and passenger front windows from the factory. So I guess if you could get a hold of whatever it is that makes it work in the passenger door on a 5.5, that might not be too expensive.
-Brian
02-27-2005, 05:40 PM
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Polo, I'm not sure what you are talking about. Can you please explain? What exactly does that module do and how does it modify the switches in the car?
Brian, thanks that is good to know. I just need to figure out what I would need. Like I said, I hope its just the switch but I don't see how that is possible.
Brian, thanks that is good to know. I just need to figure out what I would need. Like I said, I hope its just the switch but I don't see how that is possible.
02-27-2005, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Charliejag
Polo, I'm not sure what you are talking about. Can you please explain? What exactly does that module do and how does it modify the switches in the car?
Brian, thanks that is good to know. I just need to figure out what I would need. Like I said, I hope its just the switch but I don't see how that is possible.
Brian, thanks that is good to know. I just need to figure out what I would need. Like I said, I hope its just the switch but I don't see how that is possible.
02-27-2005, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by soonerfan
its all in the switch...you can feel the click when the auto feature engages. you just need those swtiches for the other windows
but i can already roll all the windows down at once as well as the sunroof, cuz i got auto front windows and auto moonroof, so all i need a hand for after that is my rears
02-27-2005, 06:59 PM
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i'm not so sure that it's all in the switch.
If, for example, my passenger window is rolled all the way up and I hit "auto up" on the passenger window button on my driver's door, the window will not go anywhere obviously since it's already up, but I will hear a click in the passenger door and then a high pitched electronicy noise for about a second or two and then another small click...almost like a relay is trying to change the window but it's already up. I don't know if this makes any sense, but you get my point.
If, for example, my passenger window is rolled all the way up and I hit "auto up" on the passenger window button on my driver's door, the window will not go anywhere obviously since it's already up, but I will hear a click in the passenger door and then a high pitched electronicy noise for about a second or two and then another small click...almost like a relay is trying to change the window but it's already up. I don't know if this makes any sense, but you get my point.
02-27-2005, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by TheBigDu
i'm not so sure that it's all in the switch.
If, for example, my passenger window is rolled all the way up and I hit "auto up" on the passenger window button on my driver's door, the window will not go anywhere obviously since it's already up, but I will hear a click in the passenger door and then a high pitched electronicy noise for about a second or two and then another small click...almost like a relay is trying to change the window but it's already up. I don't know if this makes any sense, but you get my point.
If, for example, my passenger window is rolled all the way up and I hit "auto up" on the passenger window button on my driver's door, the window will not go anywhere obviously since it's already up, but I will hear a click in the passenger door and then a high pitched electronicy noise for about a second or two and then another small click...almost like a relay is trying to change the window but it's already up. I don't know if this makes any sense, but you get my point.
02-27-2005, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by maxilvr06
that's a new one
02-27-2005, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by maxilvr06
but im confused...even if the switch did this, how would the window know to keep going?? that would be kinda cool to have auto rear windows too but i can already roll all the windows down at once as well as the sunroof, cuz i got auto front windows and auto moonroof, so all i need a hand for after that is my rears
but i can already roll all the windows down at once as well as the sunroof, cuz i got auto front windows and auto moonroof, so all i need a hand for after that is my rearsi lower all my windows at the same time too...which is why im developing a way to control all with one switch. im also doing one switch for all interior lights.
02-27-2005, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by soonerfan
thats what im saying...you feel the click which engages the switch which continues to give power to the window motor. it turns back off after the window stops moving and the motor shuts off.
i lower all my windows at the same time too...which is why im developing a way to control all with one switch. im also doing one switch for all interior lights.
i lower all my windows at the same time too...which is why im developing a way to control all with one switch. im also doing one switch for all interior lights.
02-27-2005, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by soonerfan
thats what im saying...you feel the click which engages the switch which continues to give power to the window motor. it turns back off after the window stops moving and the motor shuts off.
i lower all my windows at the same time too...which is why im developing a way to control all with one switch. im also doing one switch for all interior lights.
i lower all my windows at the same time too...which is why im developing a way to control all with one switch. im also doing one switch for all interior lights.
i didnt know thats what the switches did that would be really cool to have all the interior lights come on at once
02-27-2005, 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by TheBigDu
All the interior lights? Including lamp? So it would be like an American car where you turn the dimmer up all the way and the lights all go on in the car? That would be awesome, make sure you post about that if you figure it out.
it always bugs me when im trying to find something and i have to use three switches to see.
its already figured out...in the development stage now. i will post it
02-27-2005, 07:34 PM
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If you want it to be like the factory
I think that you have to buy new switches like the one for the passenger side door so that you can put them in the back seat and replace the two switches for the drivers door back seat contols. The front windows are 2 stage click buttons while the rear are only one click. That's why when you press the front window button lightly until it clicks once, auto is not turn on and the window stops going down when you lift off the button. If you push the button all the way down, past the first click, it goes all the way down, even when you let go. The same 2 click thing when going up. The back windows are one click so there is physically nothing to ingage the auto.
Also,
I think I saw read some where that the law requires auto car makers that use the auto up down features have to include the auto reverse sensor (which is probly what the module is inside the door) that senses something in the way when the window is going up in auto mode, and make it go down walf way. The sunroofs that are one touch have to have the auto reverse also.
So you have to buy four new switches and two of electronic to go in the back doors for the auto reverse. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Also,
I think I saw read some where that the law requires auto car makers that use the auto up down features have to include the auto reverse sensor (which is probly what the module is inside the door) that senses something in the way when the window is going up in auto mode, and make it go down walf way. The sunroofs that are one touch have to have the auto reverse also.
So you have to buy four new switches and two of electronic to go in the back doors for the auto reverse. Correct me if I'm wrong.
02-27-2005, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Allenz
I think that you have to buy new switches like the one for the passenger side door so that you can put them in the back seat and replace the two switches for the drivers door back seat contols. The front windows are 2 stage click buttons while the rear are only one click. That's why when you press the front window button lightly until it clicks once, auto is not turn on and the window stops going down when you lift off the button. If you push the button all the way down, past the first click, it goes all the way down, even when you let go. The same 2 click thing when going up. The back windows are one click so there is physically nothing to ingage the auto.
Also,
I think I saw read some where that the law requires auto car makers that use the auto up down features have to include the auto reverse sensor (which is probly what the module is inside the door) that senses something in the way when the window is going up in auto mode, and make it go down walf way. The sunroofs that are one touch have to have the auto reverse also.
So you have to buy four new switches and two of electronic to go in the back doors for the auto reverse. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Also,
I think I saw read some where that the law requires auto car makers that use the auto up down features have to include the auto reverse sensor (which is probly what the module is inside the door) that senses something in the way when the window is going up in auto mode, and make it go down walf way. The sunroofs that are one touch have to have the auto reverse also.
So you have to buy four new switches and two of electronic to go in the back doors for the auto reverse. Correct me if I'm wrong.
02-27-2005, 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Charliejag
I knew it. Does anybody know a Nissan tech (or master tech) that can tell us what part numbers we need? Also whether we would need switches AND modules or just switches.
02-27-2005, 11:26 PM
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Boy this post is pointless and going from one subject to the alarm remote. But I get what your original question, since I want the same thing done on mine with the passenger side to have auto, that would be really spiffy. I believe it's all in the switches, but let me check with Nissan tech to get the schematics on that.
02-28-2005, 03:36 PM
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Slightly off topic, but is there a way to make the lock-out button only lock out the other switches and not the driver's? On most other cars I've been in the lock out only locks out all the passenger's window controls but the driver's still work. I have to lock the windows when my dog is in the car so she doesn't open the back windows all the way by stepping on the switch, but I would still like the ability to open my own window without first unlocking all the others.
02-28-2005, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by FanaticMadMax
Boy this post is pointless and going from one subject to the alarm remote. But I get what your original question, since I want the same thing done on mine with the passenger side to have auto, that would be really spiffy. I believe it's all in the switches, but let me check with Nissan tech to get the schematics on that.
If you have a burglar alarm that offers the functionality, you would not need the special motors. I'm guessing that the burglar alarm probably has a relay in parallel with the switch, and a timer, to effectively hold the switch closed for long enough to raise or lower the window. Maybe they detect the motor current to avoid holding the motor at stall. This would be more reliable and less stress on the motors, but more costly. Either way it would work with the standard motors and switches.
02-28-2005, 05:41 PM
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I don't know about the Max, but I know on the Lexus GSs it's NOT just the switch that controls the auto up/down feature. You need a different motor that has some different features. I know this is a vague post, but I don't have a GS so I didn't pay much attention. All I know is that in some cars it's more than just the switch. I wouldn't be surprised if there is more to it. Check the part numbers of the drivers and pass side motors to see if they match up. If they don't, you have your answer 
EDIT: Nevermind, I see some people have already given an answer. I'll read to the end of the thread next time
EDIT: Nevermind, I see some people have already given an answer. I'll read to the end of the thread next time
02-28-2005, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by PoLo
check the audio forum. there was someone mentioning this that there is a component that is placed in between the motor and the harness. it tricks the ecu into thinking that the key is in the hole and you have it held. in other words, it will go all the way up as if you had the key and turned.
now, if you have an aftermarket alarm, you can simply add a window control module to each pair of windows. i currently have this setup so all 4 windows go down with channel 5 and they go up when i arm.
now, if you have an aftermarket alarm, you can simply add a window control module to each pair of windows. i currently have this setup so all 4 windows go down with channel 5 and they go up when i arm.
02-28-2005, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by NOCturnalI30
Wait the windows can go down with the key outside of the car???????
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