chr0nos

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Not sure if anyone cares, but I thought I would post this anyway. I had an Injen CAI with Heat Sheild on my Max for about 2 weeks, and it was OK. I notices some low end tq loss, but it moved after 3500RPM. Nice gurgling sound as it sucked in the air. Then I got a Berk WAI with Apexi filter. Better performance all through the power band, but does not gurgle as cool at higher RPMs. It does have a nice sucking sound even at low RPMs though. I think it works better with Berk because the distance from intake manifold to the air filter is a lot shorter. Overall, I think the WAI is better, and more responsive. It may not generate as much tq and hp in the end, but the responsiveness over the Injen CAI and stock air box is definetely better. Peace...

Maxima-Ness

I still think its funny how Injen calls it a CAI even though its still in the bay.

NmexMAX

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Next to the ex manifold.

Check the dyno forum, I did a few tests with various forms of the GAB and a midpipe.

Not ebcause I "felt" an improvment, but actually proved it

thephatOne

cant you use the injen as a short ram also? since its two pieces?

SoonerFan

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i keep telling people that Injen isnt as wonderful as everyone claims.

SoonerFan

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if you are going to do that then just get a Berk since its cheaper

Bborges

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Hey.. I do care!!!!


How do I find info on this setup? Is it sold as an assembly or components?

How much? Any pictures??


Any links to seller is welcome !!


Thanks

NmexMAX

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use a coat hangar, probably gives better results.

Bborges

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got it.

http://www.berktechnology.com


Thanks !!

GBAUER

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...until if falls off letting dirt clog up your maf, dirty your intake, clog your injectors, and throws a rod!

spiromax

GOOGLE is your friend. The Berk intake is easy to find. It is sold with all the parts you will need for the installation. The company website is at www.berktechnology.com. They sell the intake with two different filters. You can get the Apexi dry filter or the K&N oiled filter. Personally, I like the K&N, because you can wash it and reuse it. Some people like the Apexi because they don't want to deal with the "hassle" of oiling the filter or risk the (very unlikely) possibility of causing a MAF sensor failure by over-oiling the filter. The Apexi filter is not reusable, though. When it is dirty, you throw it away and get another one, and it is quite expensive compared to the K&N filter.

NmexMAX

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I look at my engine a lot .. im a lil obessed, i keep close tabs on it. It Hasn't happened yet,

bgates1654

"...until if falls off letting dirt clog up your maf, dirty your intake, clog your injectors, and throws a rod!"

I have had a coathangar GAB for 20k miles now with no problems with it falling off. I dont think it can actually fall of unless the coathangar gets bent to hell somehow. Also I use K&N filter grease. The grease makes sure it seals well when installed and actually is sticky enough to hold the filter in properly without the coathangar bracket.

...random hysteria and misconception!

How would it clog your injectors or throw a rod anyway?

NmexMAX

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It get's dirtier on the top portion of hte filter as opposed as the bottom 1/3 when all closed up. A sign of ore air entering ... I gained ~ 9 whp with it.

PTP

Is there any increase with gas mileage (or loss?) with the Berk?

spiromax

Initially, I experienced a loss, because I was always revving it up to hear that great sound. After I got used to the sound and started driving like a normal person again, my gas mileage increased slightly over stock.

Puppetmaster

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Like Spiro said... the only loss in mpg ya get is from shifting gears at 5k rpms (or stomping on it, if you're auto) just to hear the roar... everyone does it the first couple weeks....

Puppetmaster

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My Berk with K&N...



Got mine for $99 shipped when Berk was having a clearance sale...

Just PM Cobymoby (his real name is Bryan) and find out the current prices and if they're having any sales going on....

Puppetmaster

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No dyno, no care...

Okay, don't get me wrong, I wasn't trying to be a jerk, since you've done more than most of us by trying 3 different set-ups and ya get props for that. Thing is, we've already heard a lot of similar opinions on this in the past, and in general, personal "feel" and the butt dyno haven't proven to be that accurate. The best way to do a comparison would be to dyno the 3 set-ups and let us know what the numbers and plots say (I know, ya already knew this). There's already a comparison that Studman did in the FAQs for the Place Racing CAI, GAB, and a short RAM of some sort (shortened Place Racing), but no one has done one recently with set-ups like the Berk/Frankencar, or Injen/eBay intakes... I think the results will be similar to what Studman found, but we need one to finally end the endless debates...since there're always heated discussions about the gains of those.

Glad ya like the Berk though...

NmexMAX

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Check the dyno section now, I updated some plots. I saved my money with the berk/injen and used it on a dyno more uselful IMO

Ammi

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Injen sucks all that nice hot air coming from the radiator fan. Definitely not a CAI

NmexMAX

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It looks cool though :

Puppetmaster

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Great work man... that's good info.... ... ya must have spent a ton of money on those dynos too (unless ya got hooked up) anyways... thanks for the update... I'm thinkin I may check out the GAB set-up sometime...

Btw... do ya have pics of the GAB w/ midpipe set-up? I'm curious to see how ya fit that all in there... I know ya had to cut the mid-pipe a little...

steven88

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I was running the GAB for approx 7k miles or so....my car is slammed almost 4 inches from stock on coilovers...and i've hit pretty nasty potholes and dips during the time that I ran my GAB....everytime I opened my engine bay there was absolutely NO SIGN of the filter/coathanger moving at all....The coathanger is bent like hell in a position where it literally grips the filter against the airbox housing....plus i added some duck tape at the tips of the coat hanger to insure added protection of the coathanger not moving during dips....

as far as I know...a correctly made GAB will not fall off...take my experience as a good example....coilovers+low profile tires+stiff motor mounts....still no signs of GAB falling offl

MAX 2NR

where do u get coathangar intakes? did a search or google and nothing. do they have a website?

ZIPPIN

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should be under the how-2 thread as GAB

StAtiXz6

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wut u guys think about Frankencar with K&N filtor

super6

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holy crap someones intake actually fell off? i was thinkin that could happen cause its only connected by that one coupler to the tb. i gotta run and attach that thing better.

SoonerFan

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exact same thing as a berk

spiromax

Are you serious? You don't get the coat hanger intake from anywhere. You make it... with a coat hanger...

Where do you find a coat hanger? Well, I'm not sure if they have a website. Check your closet, maybe?

SoonerFan

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dude you shouldnt have ruined it. you could have cut and bent a hanger and sent it to him for $20

MAX 2NR

i didnt know that GAB stood for ghetto air box, so when ppl said coathanger i thought it was just slang for some crappy intake or some tornado crap that was made by GAB. it was a newbie post.

super6

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seroiusly can someone tell me what the hell is a coathanger intake? now im just so darn curious.

SoonerFan

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http://home.insightbb.com/~dwh/GAB.htm

Puppetmaster

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Great link...

grange

My brother in law and I are making our own intake. Gona have a muffler shop bend us some 3inch exhause pipe. total cost should be 30-40 dollars and the satisfaction of doing it ourselves

NmexMAX

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Let me know how that goes ...

chr0nos

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Yah, its rediculous that Berk charges $180 for 10 inch peice of aluminum. But we pay for it, so there is a market.

Puppetmaster

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isn't the $180 for all the components and an Apexi filter?

I think the midpipe alone is more like $60 (not that its cheap)....

chr0nos

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Yeah, its the whole setup with Apexi filter. But that part cant be more than $50 or 60. So $110 for the aluminium tube? They are making a killing on profit. But I like it, so cant b!tch.