2k2 3.5L -- Did an oil change last night, this morning car made an awful rattling.
10-18-2005, 04:22 AM
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2k2 3.5L -- Did an oil change last night, this morning car made an awful rattling.
Yesterday I did an oil change around 4:00pm (4 1/4 quarts of 5W-30 with new filter).
Right after the oil change, I started the car and the oil guage flash really quickly for about half a second, then the car started and sounded great.
This morning I started the car and I heard an awful rattle noise (timing chain?). I'm assuming the oil just hadn't splashed all the areas yet so there was a little metal on metal action going on. Is this normal?
Right after the oil change, I started the car and the oil guage flash really quickly for about half a second, then the car started and sounded great.
This morning I started the car and I heard an awful rattle noise (timing chain?). I'm assuming the oil just hadn't splashed all the areas yet so there was a little metal on metal action going on. Is this normal?
10-18-2005, 05:50 AM
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never had that issue, i dis have a bit of a chanin rattle before but it was fixed by the dealer... a rattling noise after oil change does not sound normal.
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10-18-2005, 05:56 AM
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Nissan filters have a built in Check-valve(one-way). This keeps the system pressurized when the engine is off. This also keeps tension in the timing chain tensioners. When you change the oil, you lose the pressure, and you hear chain noise on first startup. If you did not use an oem filter, you may hear that every startup.
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10-18-2005, 06:26 AM
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I get that noise regardless of whether I use Nissan OEM filters or not. This problem is due to the timing chain, its just a coincidence you were changing your oil before you heard it. The noise happens more frequently in cold weather (at least for me). The fix, is a TSB where the service center will have to remove half your engine to put a new sprocket in. For some this has worked, for others it has not.
I think it best to ignore it.
I think it best to ignore it.
10-18-2005, 07:08 AM
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i think 2002 Maxima is right, it was just a coincidence that this happened after an oil change. since it is getting colder, you will probably hear this more now. mine has been doing this for a while, it is a TSB. the oil light flashes for a sec, and the rattle seems to come from the top of the engine bay, and lasts for a second. one of these days i will have another dealer look at it, since mine said its my Cattman catback rattling 
10-18-2005, 07:39 AM
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10-18-2005, 07:47 AM
#12
This is interesting, I recently noticed the "cold start timing chain rattle" on my 2K2 and it, coincidentally, also occurred very shortly (within a few days) after an oil change.
It happened to me twice and I am 3,000km from the end of my powertrain warranty so I was planning to take it in to get it fixed, but the last few times I have tried to re-enact it, it hasn't happened. I just know that if I take it in to the dealer they will be "unable to duplicate problem" and I will get hit with an $80 diagnostic fee. Then sure as anything the problem will get much worse as soon as my warranty expires.
It happened to me twice and I am 3,000km from the end of my powertrain warranty so I was planning to take it in to get it fixed, but the last few times I have tried to re-enact it, it hasn't happened. I just know that if I take it in to the dealer they will be "unable to duplicate problem" and I will get hit with an $80 diagnostic fee. Then sure as anything the problem will get much worse as soon as my warranty expires.
10-18-2005, 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by chr0nos
i think my oil light flashes every time i start the car, just like the airbag and seabelt lights. is this normal for everyone, or am i loosing too much oil?
10-18-2005, 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by chr0nos
i think my oil light flashes every time i start the car, just like the airbag and seabelt lights. is this normal for everyone, or am i loosing too much oil?
It is normal, as long as it doesn't flash for more than 5 secs or stay on entirely there shouldn't be a problem.
10-18-2005, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by 2002 Maxima SE
I get that noise regardless of whether I use Nissan OEM filters or not. This problem is due to the timing chain, its just a coincidence you were changing your oil before you heard it. The noise happens more frequently in cold weather (at least for me). The fix, is a TSB where the service center will have to remove half your engine to put a new sprocket in. For some this has worked, for others it has not.
I think it best to ignore it.
I think it best to ignore it.
10-18-2005, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by 03maxima1
Why ignore it? I am having this done and it is under the 5/60 warrenty.
I would prefer to go to an independent mechanic I trust, pay for it and then submit the bill to Nissan for reimbursement. That way, you know the mechanic is competent to do the fix. This is a big job (see exploded diagram in PDF above). Short of this I would live with it rather than endure the missing pieces, not torqued to spec bolts, and leaking gaskets that are sure to come from this type of fix.
10-18-2005, 09:46 AM
#17
Originally Posted by chr0nos
i think my oil light flashes every time i start the car, just like the airbag and seabelt lights. is this normal for everyone, or am i loosing too much oil?
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10-18-2005, 10:26 AM
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As long as no harm is being done, I will be leaving it alone. It makes the noise for less than one second. And it didn't appear to happen this afternoon with some warmer temperatures. I checked my dipstick after it sat for about 3 hours (to make sure my oil change was precise) and the oil is sitting exactly at the H maximum line, so the amount of oil is in there is perfect. Ah well, just a noise to live with!
10-18-2005, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Metal Maxima
Is this a problem evident in only in the 5.5 gen? 
10-18-2005, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by 2002 Maxima SE
Why? Because the Nissan Mechanics are only good at replacing items...small items. A new water pump, a new alternator, an oil change...these are things they can do. By having them do this TSB, you're trusting them to remove half your engine, remove/replace parts and put it back together again. I don't believe they are competent enough to do this work.
I would prefer to go to an independent mechanic I trust, pay for it and then submit the bill to Nissan for reimbursement. That way, you know the mechanic is competent to do the fix. This is a big job (see exploded diagram in PDF above). Short of this I would live with it rather than endure the missing pieces, not torqued to spec bolts, and leaking gaskets that are sure to come from this type of fix.
I would prefer to go to an independent mechanic I trust, pay for it and then submit the bill to Nissan for reimbursement. That way, you know the mechanic is competent to do the fix. This is a big job (see exploded diagram in PDF above). Short of this I would live with it rather than endure the missing pieces, not torqued to spec bolts, and leaking gaskets that are sure to come from this type of fix.
im calling
on your whole post 
you wont be submitting anything to nissan for warranty reimbursement unless the repair was done by a dealer. as far as nissan is concerned, the only tech is trusts are the ones employed by the dealer. besides, its a rare occasion that an engine tech at a dealer leave something loose, or neglect to replace a gasket. if the job comes back, the tech works for free. you dont pay a dime.
nissan dealer techs can only do small jobs, huh? id bet i could point out a few that would prove you wrong.
10-18-2005, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by BewstAdd1ct
im calling on your whole post
you wont be submitting anything to nissan for warranty reimbursement unless the repair was done by a dealer. as far as nissan is concerned, the only tech is trusts are the ones employed by the dealer.
on your whole post you wont be submitting anything to nissan for warranty reimbursement unless the repair was done by a dealer. as far as nissan is concerned, the only tech is trusts are the ones employed by the dealer.
besides, its a rare occasion that an engine tech at a dealer leave something loose
if the job comes back, the tech works for free. you dont pay a dime.
Its a little late when that overfilled oil pan or drain plug that fell out comes back. Just two cases I've read on this board alone.
nissan dealer techs can only do small jobs, huh? id bet i could point out a few that would prove you wrong.
10-18-2005, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by 2002 Maxima SE
Why? Because the Nissan Mechanics are only good at replacing items...small items. A new water pump, a new alternator, an oil change...these are things they can do. By having them do this TSB, you're trusting them to remove half your engine, remove/replace parts and put it back together again. I don't believe they are competent enough to do this work.
I would prefer to go to an independent mechanic I trust, pay for it and then submit the bill to Nissan for reimbursement. That way, you know the mechanic is competent to do the fix. This is a big job (see exploded diagram in PDF above). Short of this I would live with it rather than endure the missing pieces, not torqued to spec bolts, and leaking gaskets that are sure to come from this type of fix.
I would prefer to go to an independent mechanic I trust, pay for it and then submit the bill to Nissan for reimbursement. That way, you know the mechanic is competent to do the fix. This is a big job (see exploded diagram in PDF above). Short of this I would live with it rather than endure the missing pieces, not torqued to spec bolts, and leaking gaskets that are sure to come from this type of fix.
Technicians who sevice all brands deserve alot of respect, but I doubt they see as much of the same concern as the dealer tech does. Especially when a tsb is concerned.
10-18-2005, 05:48 PM
#24
Originally Posted by Stewpid
You'd rather take your Nissan to a tech who has to repair all makes and models for a major engine repair, than someone who only services Nissans day in day out, who has probably done this repair a hundred times?
Technicians who sevice all brands deserve alot of respect, but I doubt they see as much of the same concern as the dealer tech does. Especially when a tsb is concerned.
Technicians who sevice all brands deserve alot of respect, but I doubt they see as much of the same concern as the dealer tech does. Especially when a tsb is concerned.
10-18-2005, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 2002 Maxima SE
Not true. In 1993 I had a transmission rebuilt on a 1991 Ford Explorer by an independent mechanic with only 30k miles on it. I submitted the paperwork to the local Ford dealer service advisor and received a check in the mail.
Who are you trying to fool?
But I thought it never happens?
Its a little late when that overfilled oil pan or drain plug that fell out comes back. Just two cases I've read on this board alone.
I should have stated that all the techs I have come in contact with in 3 states are incompetent. Two of the dealers being the only ones available in a 30 mile radius. I retract my blanket statement about ALL Nissan dealers, just the 5 I've dealt with since owning my car.
so move, or buy another make. stop judging others and making assumptions and accusations based on a small portion.
10-18-2005, 06:13 PM
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I gave a warranty example you said was BS but it has to be with a Nissan dealer. What don't you understand about a car manufacturer warranty being honored for non-dealer work?I bought a Nissan and expected good work by said dealer...5 of them. My experience with the manufacturer's service is littered with incompetence and begging for excellent ratings on the SS.
You can ignore the bad service experiences on this board, but it does not make them any less true.
10-18-2005, 06:47 PM
#28
Originally Posted by Stewpid
Fair enough. Specialists are your best bet. Dealer or independant.but that was an insulting generalization of Nissan techs.(I am not one)
10-18-2005, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by theMax
Try filling the oil filter like half way before you screw it on. This will have a faster source of oil to the engine.
10-18-2005, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 2002 Maxima SE
I gave a warranty example you said was BS but it has to be with a Nissan dealer. What don't you understand about a car manufacturer warranty being honored for non-dealer work?
I bought a Nissan and expected good work by said dealer...5 of them. My experience with the manufacturer's service is littered with incompetence and begging for excellent ratings on the SS.
You can ignore the bad service experiences on this board, but it does not make them any less true.
You can ignore the bad service experiences on this board, but it does not make them any less true.
10-18-2005, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by BewstAdd1ct
i dont understand why you havent shown me anything credible stating so. all i have is your word.
im not claiming theyre less true, and there isnt a dealer in the nation with a 100% CSI score, so whats your point?
im not claiming theyre less true, and there isnt a dealer in the nation with a 100% CSI score, so whats your point?
10-18-2005, 07:42 PM
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indeed, it opens the door for fraud, and technical difficulty. what would the warranty dept. do with all the jumbled warranty claims, misinfo, and inccorect forms.
though something as simple as a 4L60E getting a new rear sun gear at a pre authorized tranny shop under warranty might be a different story...
though something as simple as a 4L60E getting a new rear sun gear at a pre authorized tranny shop under warranty might be a different story...
10-19-2005, 12:42 AM
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Man, I would not TRUST a nissan dealer to rip out half my motor..........
With the cost cutting, shady mangment of independently owned nissan dealers.
Nissan North America, always says, that they cannot control the actions of the dealerships since they are privately owned.
Yet they send out certificates and recgonition based on what? The least amount of complaints the dealership reccives?
NNA dosen't back up the customers, just the dealerships. Ive had to pull teeth and go head to head with NNA, and the tech they sent out to replace a faulty MAF in january 2002. And guess what, they have a new-and improved version later.
Unless you have a super strong relationship with your service manager, I wouldnt bring my car within sight of a dealership.
With the cost cutting, shady mangment of independently owned nissan dealers.
Nissan North America, always says, that they cannot control the actions of the dealerships since they are privately owned.
Yet they send out certificates and recgonition based on what? The least amount of complaints the dealership reccives?
NNA dosen't back up the customers, just the dealerships. Ive had to pull teeth and go head to head with NNA, and the tech they sent out to replace a faulty MAF in january 2002. And guess what, they have a new-and improved version later.
Unless you have a super strong relationship with your service manager, I wouldnt bring my car within sight of a dealership.
10-19-2005, 04:22 AM
#36
Originally Posted by shoman94
Please keep on topic......
Also to the OP....what part number filter did you use?
Also to the OP....what part number filter did you use?
10-19-2005, 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by BewstAdd1ct
i dont understand why you havent shown me anything credible stating so. all i have is your word.
im not claiming theyre less true, and there isnt a dealer in the nation with a 100% CSI score, so whats your point?
10-19-2005, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by PoLo
filter sits at 90 degrees and you need to screw it in. would you like to rethink your statement.
10-19-2005, 08:48 AM
#40
Originally Posted by 2002 Maxima SE
Why? Because the Nissan Mechanics are only good at replacing items...small items. A new water pump, a new alternator, an oil change...these are things they can do. By having them do this TSB, you're trusting them to remove half your engine, remove/replace parts and put it back together again. I don't believe they are competent enough to do this work.
I would prefer to go to an independent mechanic I trust, pay for it and then submit the bill to Nissan for reimbursement. That way, you know the mechanic is competent to do the fix. This is a big job (see exploded diagram in PDF above). Short of this I would live with it rather than endure the missing pieces, not torqued to spec bolts, and leaking gaskets that are sure to come from this type of fix.
I would prefer to go to an independent mechanic I trust, pay for it and then submit the bill to Nissan for reimbursement. That way, you know the mechanic is competent to do the fix. This is a big job (see exploded diagram in PDF above). Short of this I would live with it rather than endure the missing pieces, not torqued to spec bolts, and leaking gaskets that are sure to come from this type of fix.