this thing looks like it will match the UpRev Cipher for about 1/3 the price. I was thinking of going to the Auterra but this one looks great.

Can you ask if the Nissan option covers the early Type 1 G35 sedans? Thanks

 

Talk about fast return on the emails.

If these cliffs don't sell you on this tool, then I don't know what will.

CLIFFS:
(Basically saying for you 4th gen guys only 96-99 it will be an extra $50 for the added hardware)


ME: There are a few more questions from potential buyers and myself

#1: "The Consult II has the ability to upload new software to the ECU, ask them if their tool will also have that ability."

#2: "so let me get this straight, its 280 for a program that will work like the Consult II and have all the abilities that they have at the nissan dealership? Will this also let us program the key option in the ecm?"

#3: "I just want a definitive yes or no answer with no vagueness please. does this tool positively change and save timing? According to you yes, however on your website you don't have timing adjust listed under the work support options"

Thank you again for your time and I look forward to your response.



ME "One last question from another potential buyer

"this thing looks like it will match the UpRev Cipher for about 1/3 the price. I was thinking of going to the Auterra but this one looks great.

Can you ask if the Nissan option covers the early Type 1 G35 sedans? Thanks"

 

MMmmmm I'm excited for this, we need to fill up the other slots!!

 

I wonder if the 6th gen/turbo/supercharged guys are aware of this. I'd hate to be the one to ***** up all the forums.

 

I might be in on this. Can you ask if this can do any auto tranny adjustments on the Type 1 G35 auto? ie... along the lines of shift firmness, shift rpm or etc..? My guess is "no" but since he's answering so fast. heh

 

$20 to anyone who will let me borrow the software to advance my timing. That's the only thing I would use it for, so I can't justify spending $280. If I had the time, I'd get the software myself and go to all the local meets and rake in the cash, since so many people want their timing advanced, but can't find a dealer to do if for them.

 

I guess maybe someone could activate their version and forward it to you. unlikely, since you would have to have all the installed files in all directories. (inclding any installed or configured system files.) The enhanced version requires an online activation.

 

no is right.

 

Yes you are correct, he confirms it. From what I understand, the things that be monitored is covered under here: http://www.autoenginuity.com/Nissan-...t.html#sensors

What we can actually change is covered here: did you see the turbo charger pressure line?
http://www.autoenginuity.com/Nissan-....html#commands

 

I would also say no because those features are a result of the TCM programming. But anything that this device will do on the A33B it should do just the same on the eary G. Is that the one you have? It's essentually a A33B ECU isn't it?

Do you know if that ECU ever came with the 6speed or was it in the Autos only?

 

I agree. But this unit IS able to read alot of the auto's electrical sensors though. Hence the question.

From what I read here w/ the Technosquare discussions and on the G boards, it appears I do have a very early G ecu. More in common with a 03 maxima than the 03.5+ G35s.

I"m not sure if this Type I ecu/car was also a 6MT thing. Infiniti is a little wierd about changing things from the auto/manuals. Even the 03 G autos had a different auto tranny program than the G coupes and 4.5+ sedan autos.

If I had go guess, I would think Infiniti put a FWD ecu program into the early G Sedans. I read that some of the later G sedan autos have some of the TCM "inside" the tranny??? wtf? So I can't just swap out TCMs to get a later/firmer shift programs. ack.

I guess one basic way to identify a Type 1 G sedan is to see if it has a clutch style radiator fan. After 03.5, all sedans went to electric fans. All coupes had electric fans from the get go. Go figure. Does the 3.5VQ maximas use a clutch fan or electric fans?

 

My 2002 se auto has two electric fans.

 

any word about changing the OS system on my PDA and still having space to run the tool?

 

Oh, I actually hadn't thought of that. I said software, but I meant the whole set-up: software, cable, laptop/pda, etc. And I wouldn't expect anyone to forward all that stuff to me. I was thinking that if anyone in my area was sitting on the fence, an additional cash incentive might convince them to jump in.

 

I think the guy is confused. From what I understand, CE3.0 and Windows PocketPC 2002 are the same thing. One is just an internal code used by the programmers and the other is a catchy name made up by the marketing guys. I know for a fact that my PDA runs WM2003SE, but the OS shows up as CE4.21. From what I found online, your PDA runs PPC 2002 and has 32MB ROM, which would be adequate to run their software.

 

Cool. Thanks for the info!

 

Since there was been alot of conversation about changing timing actually increasing power or just throttle response and since autoenguinity has this listed on their website "With the Work Support commands such as Target Idle Ignition Adjustment, you can permanently advance your ignition timing to achieve up to few HP."
I asked him if he could verify the HP increases. He said no, he couldn't verify it, but says from what he reads others claim that changing the timing from 15 to 17 will change the timing 2 degrees all the way across the board. (at all rpms). Nissan calls this "Target Idle Ignition Adjustment", suppossadly changing the starting point to 17 also changes everything thereafter. I would take this with a grain of salt, why would they call it "Target Idle Ignition Adjustment", to me if it changed timing at all rpms they would call it "Target Ignition Adjustment" or something else along those lines.
Either way you can change it.

 

It makes sense if Nissan still uses the base timing to refer all their other dynamic timings off of. ie... ign maps being advanced/retard based of what the base timing is. ie.. 15 16 or 17 deg.

ie.. on my VE30DE. I could manually adjust the base timing via the adjusable CAS sensor. Then the ecu would use that as a base for all the rest of the timing thoughout the rpm range.

 

Guess that makes sence. I never thought of fooling the ecu to thinking the cam was in a different location. That is a good point though, I just assumed the ecu has set timing positions stored in the rom for what timing should be under certain conditions, never thought of them basing it off of base timing.
I.E.=THE LTFT @ a certain condition has nothing to do with idle LTFT, etc.

Is there anyway we can find out if it's based off base timing or not??? Just out of curiousity

 

Cool, I'm glad I waited on buying a scan tool. This looks awesome with the Nissan support. Just need the PC version w/ usb. The wide-band O2 support is great too.

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By the way, as far as I can tell, adjusting the timing (in this way) WILL NOT really give you true HP increases. It WILL increase throttle response, which as far as your butt dyno goes amounts to the same thing. In non-wide open throttle driving (closed-loop), the ECU will adjust the timing automatically based on input from the O2 sensors and the knock sensors. If you are running good gas, your timing will be advanced the "best" it can be. The idle timing setting (which Consult II does and maybe this tool) makes it so the timing is pre-advanced, reducing the scanning the ECU needs to do thus increasing throttle response.

Under WOT (open-loop), sensor input is ignored and the ECU relies on air-fuel and timing maps that are programmed in. The TS ECU for example tweaks these maps.

Also, you should not advance idle timing above 15 degrees (the default) unless you are running good gas. The rule of thumb is 16 for octane 91 and 17 for octane 93. People have gone to 18 or 19 but they risk engine damage in event of knocks or pings.

 

Okay I'm in. There's a rumor that Uprev is going to releash reflashing but it would be a seperate thing and not something added to their own scantool.
Cinco de Mayo here we come! If we really have trouble with the last few spots, I bet the Z and G guys would come in. Especially if we are all opting for the Nissan speicifc add on. Altima guys too.

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im in, and i'd gladly offer it out to anyone in South Jersey to advance their timing for a small fee


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Shouldn't be a problem, the sale date for this thing isn't until may 5th, so we're all going to have to wait until then anyways..



Another thing I forgot to mention some of you may have missed on his website. With the scantool he provides the "speedtracer" free of charge.
It's basically a dyno on your laptop. Check here.
http://www.autoenginuity.com/products-speedtracer1.html
Even though he claims it is highly accurate, I doubt that it's truly as accurate as a real shop dyno. However if your more concerned about test + tune than your exact HP rating this will work just as good. You can modify your GAB "IIRC, Ghetto Air box" and if it helped it will still show a proportionate gain on your laptop.
This thing also tells you your 1/4 mile, 1/8 mile time, etc..
I am assuming that it takes calculations from your vehicle speed sensor, the ecu's odometer (which may only output info thru the odbII cable in .10 not hundreths), and laptop or ecus time clock and configues this info. Also I beleive that the enhanced interface gives 1 ms output info and it would probably take at least that for the laptop to save the info, so it may be off by a few hundreths or maybe even a tenth of a second, but you will still know if changing those parts or removing that wieght actually helped or not w/o having to wait until race day.

 

Count me in. This looks pretty advanced compared to that crappy autozone odb2 scanner that doesn't even work on my car.

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So May 5th = the Nissan program or just when this guy is going to be buying?

edit: never mind just realized after waking up that I hadn't read through pages 2-3.

So looks like 180+100 for nissan enhanced, +50 for 95-99. That's 330 for my car..

Is this still worth it for my car? I know the cost is excellent, and I'm basically a noob when it comes to obdII / consult diags etc..

Can it still advance timings on 4th gens?

 

Oh and also, sorry for the noob questions, but will the enhanced version for nissan still support basic support (simple code pulling) on other makes? Like could I still pull codes off a 96 camry or a 00 prelude?

 

FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM OTHERS, you can advance timing on the 4th gens, but as soon as you remove the scantool it goes back to factory settings. EVEN WITH A CONSULT-II.
Personally I do think it's worth much more than that. The fed law requiring generic code retrievel has brought the price way down. Go to vetronix website and see how much a mastertech or tech2 cost. Or a snap-on scantool. Those usually come with generic info only and the reprogramming info (not avail here) can cost as much as the scan tool itself.
I think that the nissan enhanced stuff alone is worth the price, but adding in all of the generic obdII for all makes and models 96+ is a hell of a deal.

Let me give an example of why scantools are so nice.
I'll use yesterdays ordeal as an example.
a 1993 Porsche comes in from the south and had convertible top electrical issues. There is power going to the controller, but the controller isnt sending power to the motor. With a scantool I could simply plug the tool in hit the button and check the status of every switch and sensor that the controller reads. (The scheumatics don't have a diagram of the boards printed circuit, and none is avail thru Porsche tech line.) This left me going thru 30 pages of wiring to see exactly where each wire coming from the controller went and testing wires all over the car. To put it simply, I've already flagged 1.5 hours for this job and have only narrowed down their problem to one of 8 wires. (instead of the original 20.) By the time the problem is I will probably have flagged 5-6 hours of labor...Booting the scantool would have taken longer than actually pinpointing the problem if this was on a NEWER (2000+) odbII system.


Basically his prices are $249.99 for all the generic stuff. (All vehicles, then an additonal $100 for the nissan enhanced stuff. +$50 for you 96-99 guys. So without the group deal it would cost you $400 + shipping (and possibly tax) You're saving $70 on this group buy.

BTW simply code pulling can be pretty useless. The generic stuff does alot more than that. If you pull an 02 lean code where does that leave you??????
With the generic info you can check LTFT, STFT, (IIRC) Fuel injector pulse, egr system, check your monitors status. (You emission required guys should probably know what I'm talking about) Here's what the "generic" stuff consists of. http://www.autoenginuity.com/products-scantoolpc.html

EDIT: let me give you another example... Lets say ANY car (That doesn't require hardware accessories.) has an 02 not switching properly code. You can hook this tool up and check to make sure the 02 is switching from .3V to .6V within 100 MS every single time and you can verify on the graph that your 02 sensor is bad. You just saved a $75 diagnostic fee in 10 minutes. (And that's the generic version)

 

So in other word(s): "Yes"

Thanks for answering my questions so thoroughly.
Like I said I'm basically a newbie when it comes to using this type of equipment. I'm not hollow headed or limited in capacity but not skilled in this type of equipment. Now give me a computer and tell me to re-engineer it for optimum performance: power, efficiency, overall acoustic quality (making it quieter) and I'll have the time of my life rebuilding it for you. I only hope to build the same type of skillbase when it comes to automotive tuning.

So again, in other word(s), "Yes. I am still in on this groupdeal"

 

so is everyone get the PC version with USB? i think thats what im going with.

some people are getting bluetooth correct?

 

I'll have to go with USB because my dell doesn't have RS-232 or PS-2 or even parallel (which is to be expected) It only has usb and firewire

 

I'm also getting the usb/pc version. I'll probably hold off on the bluetooth because it's no cheaper if I buy it now or later.

 

Yeah I just can't imagine any situation where I'd actually NEED bluetooth..

 

I guess it would be convenient not having wires dangling around if you want real-time telemetry recordings while you're driving. But for the cost, I'm sure guys would just get a couple zip ties to keep the wires out of the way. So yeah, BT is kind of pointless.

Regarding advancing the timing on a 4th gen. From what I understand, you can do it, but it resets when you remove your key from the ignition. Not the case with 5th gens. However, I did read a long time back, that some 4th gen owners got around the situation entirely by just rotating the crank position sensor a couple degrees. Simple solution that doesn't require any special software. Not sure why 5th gen guys don't do the same. Maybe because we don't have to?

 

Wow, now I'm very tempted to get one myself, rather than borrow someone's. But even with the savings, it's still a lot of money. And my car has yet to throw any codes at all whatsoever. (knock on wood) And yes, I've asked. The dealer checks for codes as part of their inspection every time I go in for regular maintenance. Just a freak of nature, I guess.

 

Having to unpack the laptop every time I want to datalog via the OBD-II is cumbersome and a PITA. The next OBD-II system I buy will certainly be PALM based so I can simply leave it in the car ALL the time. And like most of you I don't currently own PALM Pilot but that will not be a valid excuse with the cheap prices those things sell for on Ebay.
I know most of you will still get the PC version but, speaking from experience, in the end those of you who do will eventually wish you had gone the other way.

 

I can see your point, very well in fact. First off it's not hard to find a PDA that meets the minimum requirements if you are LOOKING for one, Secondly a dedicated car-pilot could double as an incar-phone, computer, GPS navigation system, etc. But at that point I suppose I really am putting too much icing on the cake, and losing track of the original point (saving some money). But nonetheless it's still not a horrible point, SR20DEN.

 

If you get on of these Kenjii you got to let me know!

Work/ code meet for sure!

 

You guys are missing a few things here. First off, a palm one Treo 650 on ebay will cost 350 to 400. This gets you the (hopefully) unlocked GSM treo to make phone calls, the palm os 5 to run palm apps. Now you add the 180+100 for the OBDII diag and its still cheaper than those mastertech or snap-on tools. Plus is a cell phone, PDA.

Ever go to a car meet and forget names, forget phone numbers.. not anymore with the treo 650. Plus you can show actual documentation of the performance gains seen from mods. Not just your word of mouth.

You can argue this for days, but I'll say one thing.. I wish I bought this and not that 100 scan tool only from wal-mart.

 

Read the fine print: palm based version not available for nissan enhanced. You have to go with something that has windows on it