Alright, at work we got one of these new scanners in, its a Launch X-431, anybody heard of it? Its a huge handheld scanner with plug ins for pretty much every car make, a bunch of cables, all OBDII and pre-OBD with a built in printer and USB and a compactflash card. Anyway, it was slow and the manager let me take it out to my car and i hooked it up, it shows the coolant temp sensor readings, air/fuel, MAF voltage, battery voltage, all O2 sensor maps, throttle position sensor voltage, hmm what else well I wasnt sure how to use it really but i went to engine controls and "IGN TIMING/RELEARN" and it was reading, BTDC 14 degrees, advance 0 degrees, Idle RPM 650 and some other stuff, i hit up three times and BTDC went to 17 and 3 degrees, then it brought me to IACV/IDLE RELEARN, i just hit update then got called to come inside. I didnt notice a difference or anything, dont think I did anything, basically i'm asking if anyone knows what this tool is and how to use it, and if its even capable of doing things like that.

 

Considering it is a $3k scan tool, I wouldn't be surprised if it did all the stuff a Consult-II does.

 

Is it really? You know one of the managers and I tried every number on the box and couldnt get it to come up for the price, and it wont scan either so i dont know how much it is. This is at autozone by the way, i didnt htink they;d sell something that expensive

 

http://www.etoolcart.com/index.asp?P...OD&ProdID=6551

 

I thought 4th gen motors ( 3.0) Ecu will reset themselves back to 15 degrees anyway?

 

4th gen does...but not 5th gens (whether vq30 or vq35)

 

If they sell it, does that mean they'll rent it too?

 

You'll know if your timing was advanced if you car downshifts into 2nd with fury while on the highway. Go around 60MPH and floor it -- if your head flies back, then you did it. If you feel nothing, then you didn't. I've tinkered around with the differences, and on a 3.0L it's definitely something you absolutely have to notice.

On 3.5L you don't, for some reason.

 

I didnt feel much with my timing advance... Of course I was visiting Cali at the time so I was already enjoying a great bump in power.

 

I didn't feel my 17* advance until a couple days after i got it done. I was in cali for d1 getting on the freeway down shifted to second and hit the gas, it threw me back in my seat like i have never felt. Its been doing it ever since then. (month and a half ago.)

 

Haha, no they dont rent it, thats the first thing i asked her tonight was if we rented it too. You'd need a $3000 deposit though, lol- is it the same if you have a stick? When you go 60 in 2nd with a 5spd thats like 5500 rpms and you get thrown back anyway. I guess 3rd would be the equivalent huh?

 

I think 60 is nearing my redline, i was going about 40-45 which is 4.5k to 5k rpms.....

 

Where do you work?

I am going to come see you the next time I am upstate.

No F*ing dealer in the area will advance it for me, and my brother has a similar scan tool but does not have the Nissan Software for it since it is stupidly expensive.

 

You're kidding right? Timing advance has nothing to do with downshifting.

 

Also, the timing is NOT increased at WOT, only in open loop which is below 2400rpms IIRC.

 

Yes it does. You're going to tell me when I've had it reverted back to 15 and then back to 17 more than once for experimental purposes? You can literally feel the car punch into 2nd. And the climb to redline is a lot faster than when it is at 15*. The differences are there and affects your midrange/highway capabilities dramatically. This has been my experience, like it or not.

 

Im sorry but 2 degrees does not do all that and you cannot add timing at WOT with the consult.

 

This is on a 4th gen with a piggyback ECU? I think you should go feel it on a 5th gen...

 

I have.... Once again, if you can prove to me that the Base Timing changes the timing in the WOT(closed loop) map, I will say that you are correct. Everything that I know and have read points to that the Consult does NOT change timing above 2400 rpms.

 

If you're ever in NYC, I'll gladly take you out for a spin with my car running @ 15 and then 17. And you tell me if you feel the difference. On a 3.5L you really don't feel it much, but on a DE-K you do.

 

Butt dyno means nothing, if you can truley feel a gain, Dyno and let me know.

 

I'm not going to waste my money on something I know is there and not in my head. The fact that my car can run neck and neck with a 2003 Maxima is proof enough for me that I made gains (there is a video of this too). =)

 

Oh really. 2degrees must add alot of power on DEK. I must be missing out. At least prove track times to me. Street racing means nothing, too many factors. My car might beat the **** out of yours on the track and dyno but you might beat me in a street race. That does not make your car faster than mine

 

the 03 wasn't racing you. NO bolt-ons will bring an autotragic vq30de-k to any vq35de performance level.

 

Pshhhhhhhh, you must not have the 2degree advance.

 

Yes he was. We did it twice. He's an org member too. =)

And no bolt ons will bring an auto DEK to a 3.5's level? Yeah...uhh, bullsh*t. But whatever, I've opened up one too many can of worms. I'm done arguing - it's pointless.

 

Esp not a 2 deg timing advance....

 

Timing advance only helps torque. Besides, timing does not stay the same throughout the RPM range. 17* is at idle.

 

No, it's not. Why should you spread lies to other org members?

 

Would you like to clear that statement up a bit?? Because I walk all over 02+ Maximas all the time...

If you put a VQ30DE-K against a VQ35 bolt on for bolt on... yeah the VQ30 will show less power. But if you are saying that a full bolt on VQ30DE-K cannot reach stock VQ35 #'s you are nuts.

PS- I am auto also.

 

IATL....

nothing to see here.... move on...