How can Maxspeeds be the same spring as H&R?
05-03-2006, 06:48 PM
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How can Maxspeeds be the same spring as H&R?
How can they be the same when the Maxspeed is linear and the H&R is progressive?
This question goes out to the people who swear they are the same spring...
This question goes out to the people who swear they are the same spring...
05-03-2006, 07:29 PM
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I know when Irish did the definitive maxspeed vs H&R thread there were a few people who said they were the exact same spring and supposedly had some internal info but no one ever brought up the glaringly obvious point that one spring is progressive and the other isnt...
The fact that they have the same drop... really doesnt meen anything. Eibachs and H&R have a very similar drop and we all already know how different the ride is between those springs.
The fact that they have the same drop... really doesnt meen anything. Eibachs and H&R have a very similar drop and we all already know how different the ride is between those springs.
05-04-2006, 12:10 PM
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People will always find a comparison between something that cost nowhere near each other. How the hell can H&R cost 200.00 and maxspeeds cost 80.00 and they be the same spring.
05-04-2006, 02:25 PM
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Speaking of H&R's, it is a B!TCH to find some used...[/QUOTE]
I'll have some Progress Springs for sale SOON.....only used by my grandma to drive to church on sundays!!!
I'd love to find some used H&R's right now....I guess that says alot about how they ride?!
gr
I'll have some Progress Springs for sale SOON.....only used by my grandma to drive to church on sundays!!!
I'd love to find some used H&R's right now....I guess that says alot about how they ride?!
gr
05-04-2006, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by sciff5
whos the moron here? I sure hope you dont meen me
Irish, to me H&R and Maxspeed are the same springs.. no matter how progressive one is and how linear the other...... as for the looks it is basically "again" the same so why pay more... yuou ride on Maxspeed too....
05-04-2006, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Lontar1
I'm asking myself the same question...?
Irish, to me H&R and Maxspeed are the same springs.. no matter how progressive one is and how linear the other...... as for the looks it is basically "again" the same so why pay more... yuou ride on Maxspeed too....
Irish, to me H&R and Maxspeed are the same springs.. no matter how progressive one is and how linear the other...... as for the looks it is basically "again" the same so why pay more... yuou ride on Maxspeed too....
Linear or pregressive... There's also the inheirent spring rates to look into as well. I have maxspeeds on stock struts currently with D2's in my garage. The maxspeeds may be cheap linears, but they are pretty stiff ones and I don't have any problems with them. They are NOT the same spring, but with the right strut combo, they end up riding about the same. Very little difference unless you're autocrossing in your grocery getter. Besides, don't listen to Irish: last time we autocrossed I beat him (and it was my first time out....).
j/k Irish. Don't get all "you weren't in the right class" on me....
05-04-2006, 03:43 PM
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[QUOTE=GBAUER]Don't take it personal. Irish hasn't been getting any....
Linear or pregressive... There's also the inheirent spring rates to look into as well. I have maxspeeds on stock struts currently with D2's in my garage. The maxspeeds may be cheap linears, but they are pretty stiff ones and I don't have any problems with them. They are NOT the same spring, but with the right strut combo, they end up riding about the same. Very little difference unless you're autocrossing in your grocery getter. Besides, don't listen to Irish: last time we autocrossed I beat him (and it was my first time out....).
Okay - so I HAVE to ask: have you had H&R's in your car, or are you basing this response on riding in Irish's car??
Just curious. I'm now somewhat torn on which of these two springs to buy to replace my progress.
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Linear or pregressive... There's also the inheirent spring rates to look into as well. I have maxspeeds on stock struts currently with D2's in my garage. The maxspeeds may be cheap linears, but they are pretty stiff ones and I don't have any problems with them. They are NOT the same spring, but with the right strut combo, they end up riding about the same. Very little difference unless you're autocrossing in your grocery getter. Besides, don't listen to Irish: last time we autocrossed I beat him (and it was my first time out....).
Okay - so I HAVE to ask: have you had H&R's in your car, or are you basing this response on riding in Irish's car??
Just curious. I'm now somewhat torn on which of these two springs to buy to replace my progress.
gr
05-04-2006, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Lontar1
I'm asking myself the same question...?
Irish, to me H&R and Maxspeed are the same springs.. no matter how progressive one is and how linear the other...... as for the looks it is basically "again" the same so why pay more... yuou ride on Maxspeed too....
Irish, to me H&R and Maxspeed are the same springs.. no matter how progressive one is and how linear the other...... as for the looks it is basically "again" the same so why pay more... yuou ride on Maxspeed too....
How progressive or linear a spring is makes a HUGE difference.. They arent the same spring, they arent even close so I am still waiting for the people who suppsoedly had inside knowledge on the H&R maxspeed debate on how they care to explain this
05-04-2006, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by sciff5
How progressive or linear a spring is makes a HUGE difference.. They arent the same spring, they arent even close so I am still waiting for the people who suppsoedly had inside knowledge on the H&R maxspeed debate on how they care to explain this
Originally Posted by mingo in "The DEFINITIVE Maxspeed vs. H&R Thread"
i'm not sure if anyone mentioned this already, but maxspeed springs have the same specs as h&r's golden apple (the paper name of maxspeed) used to be the distributor for h&r. and they decided to just make their own springs and sell those. my friend's uncle owns golden apple, and he used my car to prototype the springs and that's what was said to me. =D.
Even the drop looks different, how the hell can they be the same?
05-04-2006, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by DrKlop
perhaps we could somehow contact this guy, and find out why he's saying this:
Even the drop looks different, how the hell can they be the same?
Even the drop looks different, how the hell can they be the same?
thank you thats the guy I was talking about.... jeesh it never seemed to occur to anyone that this guy was full of **** when he said it. I didnt even question it for some reason I just accepted it as truth mindlessly and then I started thinking about it and I was like hold on that cant be true... there is deff some mis-information floating around
05-04-2006, 04:24 PM
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Physically:
Linear springs are the same distance apart from coil to coil.
Progressive rate springs, the end coils are closer together.
Just because they have the same drop, it doesn't mean ****.
Linear springs are the same distance apart from coil to coil.
Progressive rate springs, the end coils are closer together.
Just because they have the same drop, it doesn't mean ****.
05-04-2006, 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevlo911
I am talking about the people who think they are the same spring. 
05-04-2006, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Lontar1
are you calling me Moron? cause I am the only one who think this way.... if that's the case.. well you should know from experience....
well it was a stupid comment. and yes you are the only one who thinks that way...
why dont you cut your stock springs about an inch and a half. That way it will ride at the same height as H&Rs and then come back here and try to tell me your f'ed up chopped stock springs are the same as H&Rs because they're the same ride height. see how people respond to that
05-04-2006, 05:51 PM
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Btw no one has really said anything yet to support or counter my point that maxspeed and H&R are not the same spring, not even close. I just hope (even if we dont get any resolution on where all that false info came from) that lots of people see this thread so that the whole idea that maxspeed and H&Rs are the same can be forgotten.
05-04-2006, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevlo911
Ohio State fan that lives in Florida, explains it all. No need to argue with ignorance.
I actually felt that the "Peurto Rico - Maxima Lover" in his signature/avatar (whatever the hell that thing is callled) explained it better
05-04-2006, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevlo911
Find spring rates. I already stated the visual difference between the two types of springs.
well spring rates wouldent matter anyway as they would deff be different. Because H&R would have a range of spring rates (because as we all know the spring rate increases as the spring is compressed) and the maxspeeds would have a set spring rate because they are linear (same spring rate no matter how much or how little they are compressed) I am not telling you this Kevlo as I know you already know this crap but for the noobz this might be helpful.
05-04-2006, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DrKlop
Everyone seems to ignore my comment. There's at least one obvious reason why they are not the same:
The drop is DIFFERENT
The drop is DIFFERENT
Another good point, which I forgot you had mentioned and its true.
DrKlop you and me always seem to be on the same page when it comes to thoughts about suspension.
You figure out what springs your gonna get yet or are you still deciding?
05-04-2006, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by sciff5
I actually felt that the "Peurto Rico - Maxima Lover" in his signature/avatar (whatever the hell that thing is callled) explained it better
05-04-2006, 07:05 PM
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just to clarify, since a few people are thinking I had H&R's (I didn't). I had Maxspeeds, which are MOST DEFINITELY linear springs. I currently have Tein H-Techs (as of last week) which MOST DEFINITELY are progressive rate. It is EXTREMELY easy to tell the difference between a linear spring and a progressive spring. They have different handling and ride characteristics.....
05-04-2006, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by sciff5
DrKlop you and me always seem to be on the same page when it comes to thoughts about suspension.
You figure out what springs your gonna get yet or are you still deciding?
You figure out what springs your gonna get yet or are you still deciding?
Why not progressive? Progressive springs behave differently depending on the load, which means the car will also handling differently depending on many conditions. It will become not as predictable and most importantly it will be more difficult to determine the turn-in speed. Not to mention, the car will end up having different handling characteristics in the dry and wet. Finally, it makes it hard to properly tune your shocks.
It does not necessarily mean that progressive springs suck. They are great for what they are: springs that are relatively soft, provide sporty feeling in the corners, safer for those who don't purposely reach traction limits, and also make the car look better. Since I do enjoy taking my car to its limits from time to time (even more than I enjoy its sporty feeling), I decided that progressive springs are not for me.
However........., here comes the sad part, I will have to wait even longer before I lower my car. My stock potenzas look more and more like racing slicks and have recently become unbearable in the wet. So this week I will be ordering a new set of tires with rims (since i always wanted a little wider & lighter rims) instead.
05-04-2006, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DrKlop
Why not progressive? Progressive springs behave differently depending on the load, which means the car will also handling differently depending on many conditions. It will become not as predictable and most importantly it will be more difficult to determine the turn-in speed. Not to mention, the car will end up having different handling characteristics in the dry and wet. Finally, it makes it hard to properly tune your shocks.
It does not necessarily mean that progressive springs suck. They are great for what they are: springs that are relatively soft, provide sporty feeling in the corners, safer for those who don't purposely reach traction limits, and also make the car look better. Since I do enjoy taking my car to its limits from time to time (even more than I enjoy its sporty feeling), I decided that progressive springs are not for me.
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