Thank you for visiting Maxima.org! Your stay here will be longer, more productive and infinitely more enjoyable for all involved if you direct your attention to the NOOB Thread!

http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=365289

This flame-free, NOOB-friendly zone is a safe place for you to ask all the questions that have been bothering you since you got your 5th Gen! Better than cracking open your owner’s manual!

While not a legitimate substitute for search, it is a place for new members to get answers they don’t think they have found through searching.

Remember, search first, post second!

Thank you! Come again!

 

^^^^^ LOL!!!

 

Some of the vets are know it alls about the maxima but most of the time remain humble and respectful. Some are the exact opposite. There are examples of both in this thread. I like the rule, it will minimize clutter and flaming around here. The flaming doesnt look good and it does nothing. I think its safe to say that an OG e-thug would not give the same response to a noob in person as they do on here.

 

Please tell me this isn't the end of the ORG Vice Squad because to me they will be missed. They added some humor and laughter to these boards.

And the thing that bugs the crap out of me about this is how darn sensitive these noobs are. I can't believe how upset people get over a little flaming. I'm sure I've probably been flamed here on the org and if not then definitely on some other message boards and I never got bent out of shape. The fact that they have to PM mods to whine like girls is ridiculous especially since (as Stardust previously stated) they are usually the ones that start the flaming by running their mouths because they didn't like being told to search.

I can't blame the mods because I guess in reality it's not the new rule that I don't like, it's how sensitive the newbs are. I guess if I were a mod instead of the nobody that I am I’d probably do the same thing to avoid countless whining through PM’s.

 

for the record, this is how it goes -

1. newbie start pointless repeat thread
2. veteran politely reminds newbie of rules
3. another member validates the newb by giving the answer and telling the veteran to "stop being mean"
4. newbie now thinks its ok, and replies disrespecting the veteran, complaining, and running his mouth
5. newb has now started a pointless thread...and disrespected veterans
6. flaming starts

so who is to blame for the "flaming"

newbie has now violated multiple rules...but the veteran is somehow to blame and the newb continues to be babied?

 

Theres no point in explaining sooner. Those of whom just don't get it at all. We could sit here all day trying to explain it but all it will do is go through one ear and out the other. You should just save your breath and watch as time will tell how things will fall in place, if it will that is.

 

 

Have to agree with the "clutter" point. Members should search, prior to posting. However, I do acknowledge that sometimes members need answers quickly. For example: Working on the car they need an immediate answer because they cant figure out something..

 

I just feel that flaming is a waste of time. In a pointless thread why not just give the proper responce and let it die instead of posting useless info every 30 seconds. That will reduce clutter.

 

I agree.

 

to which i say -

Dear <insertusernamehere>,

Thank you for visiting Maxima.org! Your stay here will be longer, more productive and infinitely more enjoyable for all involved if you learn to use the “search” feature.

If you donate, a world of delicious and nutritious search options are available to you!
https://maxima.org/index.php?pageid=Donations

Don’t want to donate? Learn to use Google to its fullest!
To search The Org for answers about how often to change your blinker fluid, go to www.google.com and try:
blinker+fluid+change site:http://forums.maxima.org

Remember, search first, post second!

Thank you! Come again!

 

because that sets a precedent of spoon feeding...

you know what else will reduce clutter? not starting pointless repeat threads

NOT EVERY QUESTION REQUIRES A NEW THREAD

 

Irish, thanks for the response...

I just wanted a bit of clarification on the issue since I did feel it was a bit slanted towards the noobs.

I can handle being tactful, I have to everyday for work... Why not extend it to the intrawebz.

 

Subscribing

 

there is nothing wrong with some light jesting with noobs. But there is a cutoff between joking around and being mean....

I can find early posts by all of us (myself, soonerfan, stardust, law included) that were stupid and had been asked 100x before. And I can find those posts where no OGs flamed us when WE were noobs...

 

yup, that's fine.

donate and then you get OT access if you are looking for humor and laughter and flaming. I'm sure you'll get a really warm welcome in there

Ironically, there are just as many veterans who PM mods complaining that other veterans are starting sh*t...


think of it this way:
org veteran = adult. Adults know how things work in the world (and on the org)
org noob = baby. Babies need to be coddled for a while. Then as they grow up, they learn the rules and how things work. If a baby spills his juice, you don't slap him upside the head and tell him he's an idiot. You tolerate it and gently indicate that the baby needs to not do it again.

that would be the easy way, wouldn't it?


I think you know me well enough that I'm not going to bust someone every time they take some jabs at a noob. I do it too. But there have to be limits.

 

I think the rule is a great rule...not everybody that starts a profile on the .org is gonna be an expert on how to operate and ask on here...I know it can get frustrating (I have asked some stupid questions b4) but you have to realize that not everybody is gonna get on here and not know as much as some of the vets...the mods are here to help so let them do their job...I think it's good to tell people sometimes to search but after a while it gets old...if you would just answer some people's questions then you wouldn't keep getting repeat post b/c the search function would bring up threads that have already been answered. Also I sometimes am scared to ask a question b/c I am afraid to get flamed left and right like I have b4...so c'mon guys...we're all Maxima owners and we should help each other with problems or questions about performance mods etc. etc. etc.

 

 

I can see your point and I can agree with the rule. We would only have about 1/2 the problems in the fifth gen forum as we do right now if only the newbs would read the rules, FAQ's, etc., the need for the veterans babying the newbs would be minimal. I did actually read the stickys when I first joined and I wasn't flammed much at all. Just my 2 cents.

 

so does this rule still apply?

cause if it did...and was enforced...this new rule wouldnt be needed.


you want to punish veterans for reminding newbs of rules that arent enforced

1. read stickies
2. read FAQs
3. post in newb thread
4. we all get along

 

no...
irish>prinz

 

IMO. i believe that the mods take things a little to far and need to realize that not everybody is able to afford a donation just to be able to search the ORG honestly half if not all links in this threads do not properly work even if you type in that "old" whatever it may be i think thats why so many people ask more questions then searching and believe it or not i dont blame them. i think the ORG has become more of a non freedom of speech group. you could hardly do anything in this group without getting your chops busted. now or days everything leads to being banned i dont understand. i rather stick with NYC Maximas in my opinion there not strick on there rules like you guys are. All we are is a bunch of car geeks.

 

Good luck finding one from me


Also there were no verterans when I joined

 

invalid
it was like this WAY before the link thing

 

Trust me, I agree with you in theory. But of all the forums I frequent, I don't have time to read all the stickies and FAQs. For example, I just bought a Jeep Cherokee beater, so I joined 4-5 Jeep sites. They all have different rules and different allowances. I certainly can't keep them all straight, especially since I am not on them all the time.

Not everyone here is coming to spend 2 hours a day here. Some people might just be working on their stock maxima and need a quick answer. Our seach function is less than good, especially the google search.

all of the rules are enforced at our discretion, and if you knew how many n00bs have gotten bans for these very violations, it would surprise you. Not even close to all bans are listed in the ban log.


how clear do I need to be?
1. I want to punish anyone who is a jerk on here....whether they be OG, so-called-veteran, or noob. I won't discriminate
2. Veterans don't need to remind n00bs of jack. If you don't like a thread started by a n00b, just ignore it. It's not your job to "enforce"
3. If veterans can't be expected to follow rules regarding flaming, why should n00bs be expected to follow rules about searching?


Prince and I are on the same page. Each moderator in here can enforce any or all of the rules at his own discretion......

 

for clarification, which is it?



us reminding people of the rules was a result of the rules not being enforced. the rules that were in place long ago.
it has worked fine for month with no problem from the veteran mods. we kept this place clean, now after all this time, you want to punish us from doing what we did to keep this place clean?


bottomline:
rules are enforced
precedent is set
there is a decrease in pointless threads
no reason for us to remind people

 

lol......you've stayed mostly in other sections for the last few years, but it's not too hard to find some winners you posted in 5th gen over the years:

here are some of your winners:


2004 - "Need RSB pics" (asking if anyone has pics of their RSB installed, because you need to know where the bolts go )

2004 - "Spring question" (asking what is better, H&R or Progress - really, a truly original question)

2006 - "What intake should I get?????????" (asking if Berk, Frankencar, or Injen is the best "CAI" )

 

so basically no ones aloud to correct anyone in here right? hmmm. so your gonna let the group flood with possibly the same questions as the last noob or whoever posted a question. this doesnt make sense. i say stick with the other rules its gonna make things worse then better.

 

He's not saying that no one is not allowed to correct anyone. Not at all. Read carefully

 

it just has to be in a way that is within a moderator "discretion"...we just dont know which one will read it



rules need to be black and white...this discretion thing leaves a HUGE gray area which really just covers all the mods

 

they are not mutually exclusive.

The moderators don't need "the vice squad" to do anything. That said, if you want to nicely remind noobs of the search function, that is just fine.




do you pull over speeding drivers just because there are no cops present to catch them?

no, didn't think so.


No, punishments are not retroactive. Now I am here, and I will keep things "clean." So you can go back to your day job. The forums greatly appreciate your term as interim sheriff, but the "vice squad" is no longer required.

 

you will soon realize we were needed. the other mods realized that. you are new and feel the need to clean things up. i understand. when you realize we were needed, please let me know.

thanks

 

You're a smart guy, I'm sure you'll figure it out.

There is no gray area. If you're civil, you won't have any problems. If you're a ****, you will have problems. Seems pretty black and white to me.

try reading again: this is a practice in civility. you have two choices:
1. you can point newbies in the right direction or suggest they search - doing it in a civil manner.

or

2. you can ignore newbie posts and go about your merry way

It's a free country to say whatever you think about this rule. But you still have to follow it, since you have no actual power here.

 

don't hold your breath.

btw, I'm new to the 5th gen forum? You act as if I haven't been around this forum as long as you have. You act as if I don't talk to other moderators offline.....

 

like i said before

the only time i MAY have been a dik is 10 posts in when the newbie starts being disrespectful.

 

no...just new to thinking this is something that needs to be fixed (vs, fixing the newbie problem). i understand, go for the easier target.

you HAVE been around as long as me. at least im the same person i have always been.

i dont talk to mods offline 3 5th gen mods have thanked me for what i do. but i guess you trump them now so i have to baby the newb that arent being punished for rule violations

 

im still confused

 

Ah how safe we feel behind our computers. Personally I'm for the rule, from personal experience. Came on this site awhile back when I got my first 4th gen, and I got to tell you I was lost. Asked some noob questions because of it, (this was before the noob thread) and I got to tell you the response nearly made me walk away from this site. Nothing but flames from everywhere, "search" this and that, but it wasn't as much that they were telling me to search and what not, it was that they bashed on me the entire time. Made me feel like I was completely unwanted and hated for no reason other than that I didn't have experience.

Simply put, if you really want a great thread, you want more people to come and stay. Who knows what great ideas and minds have turned away from us because of some harsh and immature responses?

There are some people that need a kick in the *****, both noobs and vets, and I'm all for that if its deserved. I've done some stupid **** that I deserve a swift one for But mods, thank you for this rule and really enforcing it. It's a fine line thats hard to keep balance on.

 

And so it begins, the 5th gen forum is turning into the 4th gen forum...

 

you know all the mods in here (except maybe Prince) personally. I'm sure you can figure out after all these years what our discretion is.