A4 3.0 vs 2002 maxima?
11-04-2001, 11:54 AM
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win what?
win in terms of roominess? 0-60, bang for the bucks? 
Car and Drivers had 0-60 in 6.8, 1/4 mi in 15.4@92mph.
0.82g
18/25mpg
$34k base, $39.8 as tested.
Slower than 330xi, but faster than MB C240
Very nice looking car.
Car and Drivers had 0-60 in 6.8, 1/4 mi in 15.4@92mph.
0.82g
18/25mpg
$34k base, $39.8 as tested.
Slower than 330xi, but faster than MB C240
Very nice looking car.
11-04-2001, 01:22 PM
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Plus the new A4's are UGLY, weigh about 300-400 pounds more, cost about ~$8-10k more...wtf? Max beats it in just about every category except fit and finish...but you're comparing Audi to Nissan...Makes more sense to compare A4 to new Infiniti G35, in wich case, A4 doesn't hold a candle to the overall performance and fit and finish of the G35. I would say that the AWD only makes a significant difference in poor weather conditions, otherwise, it doesn't impact the 0-60. 5/6 spd Max, and would toast an A4.
11-04-2001, 02:12 PM
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Re: win what?
Originally posted by bigbadboss101
win in terms of roominess? 0-60, bang for the bucks?
Car and Drivers had 0-60 in 6.8, 1/4 mi in 15.4@92mph.
0.82g
18/25mpg
$34k base, $39.8 as tested.
Slower than 330xi, but faster than MB C240
Very nice looking car.
win in terms of roominess? 0-60, bang for the bucks?
Car and Drivers had 0-60 in 6.8, 1/4 mi in 15.4@92mph.
0.82g
18/25mpg
$34k base, $39.8 as tested.
Slower than 330xi, but faster than MB C240
Very nice looking car.
11-04-2001, 03:42 PM
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Originally posted by FloppyCock
the maxima beats it in acceleration, but the audi will have much, much better handling (AWD)
the maxima beats it in acceleration, but the audi will have much, much better handling (AWD)
Well, the new altima SE gets, supposedly, 6.3seconds 0-60 (according to Nissan).. The 2k2 maxima is lighter, and w/ 6 spd vlsd, I could imagine we will see people claiming numbers coming in at 6.2, 6.1....
So in a straight line, my money's on the 2k2 maxima..
In twisties, well... still the maxima...
those would have to be some serious twisties (think slalom), to make up for 6/10ths of a second loss.
Which are the audi's that everyone chips?? gotta watch out for those.. i've heard rumors of ppl getting 300 hp??
-Tom Z.
11-04-2001, 03:50 PM
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Originally posted by tomz17
Which are the audi's that everyone chips?? gotta watch out for those.. i've heard rumors of ppl getting 300 hp??
-Tom Z.
Which are the audi's that everyone chips?? gotta watch out for those.. i've heard rumors of ppl getting 300 hp??
-Tom Z.
11-04-2001, 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by FloppyCock
the maxima beats it in acceleration, but the audi will have much, much better handling (AWD)
the maxima beats it in acceleration, but the audi will have much, much better handling (AWD)
Well, the new altima SE gets, supposedly, 6.3seconds 0-60 (according to Nissan).. The 2k2 maxima is lighter, and w/ 6 spd vlsd, I could imagine we will see people claiming numbers coming in at 6.2, 6.1....
So in a straight line, my money's on the 2k2 maxima..
In twisties, well... still the maxima...
those would have to be some serious twisties (think slalom), to make up for 6/10ths of a second loss.
Which are the audi's that everyone chips?? gotta watch out for those.. i've heard rumors of ppl getting 300 hp??
-Tom Z.
11-04-2001, 04:17 PM
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The AWD makes a difference in conditions where the added traction of AWD helps to place the rubber on the road surface such as when it's raining. However, the AWD also adds a significant amount of weight to the car. No doubt that the Audi would launch faster in the rain, but on a dry road surface, it does not make up for the significant difference in power and weight of the Max/Alti and A4. In addition, the new A4 is UGLY. Damn, I would just wait for G35 with AWD (if the AWD version ever makes it to the US) if you are really concerend about AWD.
11-04-2001, 04:25 PM
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Look at that FUGLY rear end!
They changed it from the last generation. It's too bloated (heavier and larger than the last gen) now and I don't think the lines are as clean.
On top of that, Audi's are notorious for their high maintainece costs (more expensive parts/labor). My coworker just had to take his A4 back to the dealer because his entire electrical system failed.
They changed it from the last generation. It's too bloated (heavier and larger than the last gen) now and I don't think the lines are as clean.
On top of that, Audi's are notorious for their high maintainece costs (more expensive parts/labor). My coworker just had to take his A4 back to the dealer because his entire electrical system failed.
11-04-2001, 07:04 PM
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the maxima for sure beats the A4 3.0 in accleration...how bout in breaking, handling, top speed?
I know that the ride quailty of the A4 is better because after all its a german car. bang for the buck..the maxima will win..you get all the things combined in a pretty reasonalbe price... i was a the Audi dealer...a fully loaded 2002 A4 3.0 cost 40k. that's way too high.
I know that the ride quailty of the A4 is better because after all its a german car. bang for the buck..the maxima will win..you get all the things combined in a pretty reasonalbe price... i was a the Audi dealer...a fully loaded 2002 A4 3.0 cost 40k. that's way too high.
11-04-2001, 11:31 PM
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Originally posted by NJ_MAX2000
Look at that FUGLY rear end!
They changed it from the last generation. It's too bloated (heavier and larger than the last gen) now and I don't think the lines are as clean.
On top of that, Audi's are notorious for their high maintainece costs (more expensive parts/labor). My coworker just had to take his A4 back to the dealer because his entire electrical system failed.
Look at that FUGLY rear end!
They changed it from the last generation. It's too bloated (heavier and larger than the last gen) now and I don't think the lines are as clean.
On top of that, Audi's are notorious for their high maintainece costs (more expensive parts/labor). My coworker just had to take his A4 back to the dealer because his entire electrical system failed.
11-05-2001, 12:01 AM
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Originally posted by AznWontonboy
what are you guys all smoking?
Quattro system.. You can launch at high rpms with little wheel spin and take off.. how do you think the WRX people launch their cars? Thats the beauty of all-wheel-drive.
what are you guys all smoking?
Quattro system.. You can launch at high rpms with little wheel spin and take off.. how do you think the WRX people launch their cars? Thats the beauty of all-wheel-drive.
11-05-2001, 01:44 AM
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Originally posted by AznWontonboy
Quattro, and The Audi would probally take the lead... ah.. the wonders of all wheel drive.
Quattro, and The Audi would probally take the lead... ah.. the wonders of all wheel drive.
11-05-2001, 03:54 PM
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Originally posted by NJ_MAX2000
All depends on the driver....
All depends on the driver....
11-05-2001, 04:07 PM
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Originally posted by AznWontonboy
i dont think you get the picture. allwheel drive helps a great deal in the 1/4 mile.. instead of wheelspin, you can grab traction and therefor launching at a higher rpms.. helps a lot.
i dont think you get the picture. allwheel drive helps a great deal in the 1/4 mile.. instead of wheelspin, you can grab traction and therefor launching at a higher rpms.. helps a lot.
That's assuming that there is some inherent factor in the race which prevents the two front tires of the maxima from gripping... (ie. a wet surface)... on dry pavement, there's no way awd can make up for a loss in the vicinity of a second 0-60...
The ride quality, and handling, on the other hand, go hands down to the audi.. but IMHO, alone are not worth the $10,000 more it costs to get the a4 over the maxima...
-Tom Z.
11-05-2001, 05:38 PM
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Originally posted by tomz17
That's assuming that there is some inherent factor in the race which prevents the two front tires of the maxima from gripping... (ie. a wet surface)... on dry pavement, there's no way awd can make up for a loss in the vicinity of a second 0-60...
The ride quality, and handling, on the other hand, go hands down to the audi.. but IMHO, alone are not worth the $10,000 more it costs to get the a4 over the maxima...
-Tom Z.
That's assuming that there is some inherent factor in the race which prevents the two front tires of the maxima from gripping... (ie. a wet surface)... on dry pavement, there's no way awd can make up for a loss in the vicinity of a second 0-60...
The ride quality, and handling, on the other hand, go hands down to the audi.. but IMHO, alone are not worth the $10,000 more it costs to get the a4 over the maxima...
-Tom Z.
Think about it. Lets say you dump the clutch at lets say 3000rpms, which car do you think will get more wheelspin? OF COURSE the Car putting power to only two wheels.. now lets look at it this way.. how many maximas on the board have pulled 1.7, 1.8s? There are many people over at www.i-club.com .. do a search and you will find them. Im not to sure about this, but all-wheel-drive also helps a lot to 60mphs. The faster you get off and have traction, the faster your times will be. Search on maxima.org.. the faster the 60fts=faster 0-60 and so forth. Have a nice day.
11-05-2001, 05:45 PM
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Originally posted by AznWontonboy
I do not want to lay the smack down on both of your answers.. but.. Think about it. Lets say you dump the clutch at lets say 3000rpms, which car do you think will get more wheelspin? OF COURSE the Car putting power to only two wheels.. now lets look at it this way.. how many maximas on the board have pulled 1.7, 1.8s? There are many people over at www.i-club.com .. do a search and you will find them. Im not to sure about this, but all-wheel-drive also helps a lot to 60mphs. The faster you get off and have traction, the faster your times will be. Search on maxima.org.. the faster the 60fts=faster 0-60 and so forth. Have a nice day.
I do not want to lay the smack down on both of your answers.. but..
Think about it. Lets say you dump the clutch at lets say 3000rpms, which car do you think will get more wheelspin? OF COURSE the Car putting power to only two wheels.. now lets look at it this way.. how many maximas on the board have pulled 1.7, 1.8s? There are many people over at www.i-club.com .. do a search and you will find them. Im not to sure about this, but all-wheel-drive also helps a lot to 60mphs. The faster you get off and have traction, the faster your times will be. Search on maxima.org.. the faster the 60fts=faster 0-60 and so forth. Have a nice day.
I never said that there was no advantage in AWD, I just said that I highly doubted it would provide enough benefit to outweigh the 2k2 maxima's clear HP advantage.. In a straight line, assuming competent drivers, the stock 2k2 Maxmia should easily win against a stock a4..
-Tom Z.
11-05-2001, 06:11 PM
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Originally posted by tomz17
I never said that there was no advantage in AWD, I just said that I highly doubted it would provide enough benefit to outweigh the 2k2 maxima's clear HP advantage.. In a straight line, assuming competent drivers, the stock 2k2 Maxmia should easily win against a stock a4..
-Tom Z.
I never said that there was no advantage in AWD, I just said that I highly doubted it would provide enough benefit to outweigh the 2k2 maxima's clear HP advantage.. In a straight line, assuming competent drivers, the stock 2k2 Maxmia should easily win against a stock a4..
-Tom Z.
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11-05-2001, 06:16 PM
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Originally posted by AznWontonboy
You said AWD helped " assuming that there is some inherent factor in the race which prevents the two front tires of the maxima from gripping... (ie. a wet surface)... on dry pavement, there's no way awd can make up for a loss in the vicinity of a second 0-60... " but.. sure... Oh well. Peace
You said AWD helped " assuming that there is some inherent factor in the race which prevents the two front tires of the maxima from gripping... (ie. a wet surface)... on dry pavement, there's no way awd can make up for a loss in the vicinity of a second 0-60... " but.. sure... Oh well.
Peace
Ya... You believe that AWD alone will give you as much as a second in 0-60 ?? look at the HP of the A4, what do you think it would get without AWD? (for the sake of argument, let's even forget that the AWD inherently adds to the final curb weight of the car).
It's great for handling, especially in less than ideal conditions, but doesn't make or break a car in a simple drag race...
-Tom Z.
11-05-2001, 06:22 PM
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Originally posted by tomz17
Ya... You believe that AWD alone will give you as much as a second in 0-60 ?? look at the HP of the A4, what do you think it would get without AWD? (for the sake of argument, let's even forget that the AWD inherently adds to the final curb weight of the car).
It's great for handling, especially in less than ideal conditions, but doesn't make or break a car in a simple drag race...
-Tom Z.
Ya... You believe that AWD alone will give you as much as a second in 0-60 ?? look at the HP of the A4, what do you think it would get without AWD? (for the sake of argument, let's even forget that the AWD inherently adds to the final curb weight of the car).
It's great for handling, especially in less than ideal conditions, but doesn't make or break a car in a simple drag race...
-Tom Z.
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