i dug a little deeper and see you can do that. I also found out the scanner he has is not a consult but a snap on. Would the snap on be able to do this as well?

 

pretty sure only the consult can.. but if someone knows differently let me know cuz my buddy has a snap-on scan tool i could use lol..pretty sure the tool can only clear ur codes and tell u ur codes ect.. but let me know

 

The Consult isnt the only one that can

And it depends on which Snap-On it is. They have like 4 or 5 different models available, but they are all expensive as **** still

 

he has the snap on modis or solus im not sure. im gonna try to get there tonight and see what i can do. i need it anyway to diag a p1456 code i have and see what is leaking. ill write back and let ya know if it can advance timing oo. keeping my fingers crossed

 

Well looking at this thread I decided to give it a try. I found a place that will do it for $45 near Chicago. Looking forward to it

 

well it was a solus pro. tried the ign. advance and you can test it but not set it. so i need to find someone in the mass area that can do it

 

teach a newbie please

from 15 to 17, what is it?

thanks

 

In a nutshell its where the spark plugs ignite the a/f mixture. They are set at a 15 degree angle after top dead center of the crank to ignite, and setting it to 17 yields more power

 

wouldnt that make the car feels like ....say...3.7 instead of 3.5?

 

So I dynoed the max today and was very happy with the results after the timing advance my first dyno run yeilded 210whp & 186tq (before) and the results after the advance were quite suprising 208whp and 213tq. Now I know that it seems like I lost whp but out of my first 5 runs 210 seemed to be an anomoly probably because the IM was much cooler, my other 4 runs were in the 200-205whp range. Today when I ran my IM was rippin hot but still put down good #s. The most amazing was the TQ increase over 27lbs which blows my mind. It could have been the differences in the dynos or conditions but still thats quite an increase just to atribute just to those slight differences. I should have my runfiles from today soon so I will post them up. I can now say this was probably one of the best mods I've done.

 

Was it the same dyno? I also had the timing advance done today. My base timing was 14 degrees and he added +2 but was able to get it to 17. Can't really tell a differnce on the but dyno but the real dyno will tell.

 

I Did mine last week and was very satisfied. Only 40 bucks. Great mod for little cash...Did not feel like 27lb ft of torque for sure..

 

a 2 degree timing advance would not yield 27 lb ft of torque. Torque is determined by the tach signal and I would have to say the signal was bad.

I'll be the first one to say it. Post the graphs please. I wouldn't be surprised if the 27 lb ft was a small spike cause by the tach signal pickup.

 

Actually, it is before top dead center. You fire the plugs after top dead center and the car probably won't run.

 

weren't the dynos different as well?

 

wow. thats alot. got mine done for 10 bucks. but then again...im all the way in GA. but i will agree with you. it does show a big improvement.

 

On my 03 6MT, is 17 as far as I should go? Only other mod I have is CAI.

 

Im thinking of doing it ... but im always worried about pinging... i would have to see some decent gains on a dyno to do it

 

I think 19 would be too lean, and it would ping like a ****

 

Alright. Despite my screen name, I actually own a 2007 Altima 3.5SE 6MT.

Soooo ... firstly, the Cipher, Consult II/III and the Autoenginuity w/ Nissan-enhanced package can access and perform the timing advance.

Secondly - the timing advance is a diagnostic test built into the ECM to help a tech diagnose problems. The MAX is a 4deg advance. So, a 0-4 deg advance possible. Technically, this is suppose to be a temporary change, for diagnosing problems in the vehicle. However, a 1 or 2 deg advance actually "sticks" in the ECM once disconnecting the Consult/Cipher/AE and restarting the engine. Anything higher than 2 gets restored to stock timing of *ZERO CORRECTION* when restarting the engine.

Don't know what you mean by 19 being too LEAN. Advancing timing has very little to do with running rich or lean. It might ping, but it won't run lean.

All we have around here is 93 octane. I have the Autoenginuity w/ Nissan-enhanced package and have the 2 deg advance done on my car by the AE. Have never pinged to my knowledge.

Late,
Trav

 

I was going to post the same thing. Timing has nothing to do with how rich or lean the air/fuel mixture is but everything to do when the spark plugs ignite with respect to the engine's location to top dead center.

 

Here's the graph blue before red after

 

So are those 2 different dynos?

 

Yes sir!

 

What I meant was it would run too hot, and a lean condition would cause it to ping like crazy. And most likely fail drive clean or e-test. And I still call BS on the 27 lb ft of torque. My timing advance is 2* base and another 6* at >70 % throttle so by those numbers I should have around 400 lb ft of torque at the crank.

 

I knew something was not right here. You made 9 runs, the first run is number 4 and then the best run was 169?

 

DoublePost

 

Oh, so there was no spike on the dyno graphs from a bad tach signal, but still call BS b/c the numbers are not to your likeing...

Interesting

 

you did not do 169 runs on the dyno. you are full of ****. And anyone who thinks your car got 27 lb/ft of torque from 2 degrees timing is an idiot

 

169 is just the # the computer gave the file. I went back and looked at all my runs and 27lb gain was from my best run from the 1st dyno but on one other pull from the first set my highest was 196bs wtq and all the others were either 185 or 186lbs. Like I said it could be from using 2 different dynos or conditions but there is a noticable gain when driving.

 

First of all, dumb**, Im not the OP, nor do I know him.

Second, if you had any clue as to what you were talking about, you'd understand the computer program automatically generates an individual file # at random. Therefor, file #169. Not 169 runs, lol.

And last but not least, you asked for a dyno graph and predicted there was gonna be a spike on the graph cause by a bad tach signal.

Well guess what, YOU WERE WRONG!

That's the point that you continue to miss.

And yet you still call BS like you have any ground to stand on.

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Originally Posted by CorollaULEV

Dont know what you mean by 19 being too LEAN. Advancing timing has very little to do with running rich OR lean. It might ping, but it wont run lean

Oops!

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Originally Posted by knight_yyz

What I meant is that it would run too hot, and cause a lean condition.

By the way, nice recovery!

Hard to be wrong twice in one thread....but you managed to pull it off....

 

Yes This is a great MOD........ I just got this down a few weeks ago... Wow I'm impressed. Better throttle reponse from a dig, up/down shifting. Pretty cool for a few burnouts too.... Definitely recomended oh and cheap HP gains only $30... can't beat that......FTW
My friend even noticed the difference after driving it the other day

 

Got mine done today for 20 at the dealership it feels good tires spin a little now not to much though.

 

i needa get on this bandwagon of timing advance. lol looks like everyone is lovin this little mod

 

Progress drop? Nice!

 

It's worth it...good bang for your buck