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Old Jun 25, 2009 | 08:19 PM
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Advance Timing

O.k im planning on advancing my ignition timing tomorro at my buddies shop...
Lemme know if there is something missing from what im suppose to do...

Warm the engine up
using consult 2 choose engine
after it communicates press work support
go to see more choices
press ignition timing
press up (^) twice
press update
press back
on the menu secreen find idle air vol relearn
press it and perform.........

Now my questions are
1... Does the car has to be on and running???
2... Do i have to unhook anything from under the hood before i do this (e.g TPS harness)
Old Jun 25, 2009 | 09:00 PM
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Looks good, only thing different I did was reset the ecu afterwards. Not sure if it was necessary, but to me it seemed like it would be a good idea for the ecu to re-learn with that type of mod.

How many degrees are you advancing?
Old Jun 25, 2009 | 09:05 PM
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The vehicle will need to be @ operating temperature. But the procedure can be done while the vehicle is off (in acc pos). But, obviously in order to verify .. you will need the vehicle on.
Old Jun 25, 2009 | 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by NmexMAX
The vehicle will need to be @ operating temperature. But the procedure can be done while the vehicle is off (in acc pos). But, obviously in order to verify .. you will need the vehicle on.
Should be ON, not ACC, no?

I remember the last one I did for an org member with the CONSULT, the ECTS was reading maybe 3 degrees outside of the 'acceptable' parameters. Wouldn't do anything until we let it cool off for like 10 minutes.
Old Jun 26, 2009 | 01:16 AM
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I was set to ON when I did it, with the engine running.
Old Jun 26, 2009 | 06:01 AM
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Although I've not done it, I would not reccomend. Our cars are very sensitive and it could cause problems later. I took really good care of mine that I bought brand new in 02. Apart from cosmetics the only thing I did was a short ram intake, however the engine blew at 129k miles.
Old Jun 26, 2009 | 06:34 AM
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Although I've not done it, I would not reccomend. Our cars are very sensitive and it could cause problems later. I took really good care of mine that I bought brand new in 02. Apart from cosmetics the only thing I did was a short ram intake, however the engine blew at 129k miles.
wow, don't you wish that you beat the crap out of it instead of babying it






To the OP, someone told me that adjusting timing on a a33 ecu will only result in the ECU correcting those adjustments after a few days and you will ba back to stock timing. Is this accurate?

I have also heard people say that its the a33b ecu that doee it not the a33.
Old Jun 26, 2009 | 06:52 AM
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IDK, 1sexyleo has it on her auto never heard of it reseting itself
Old Jun 26, 2009 | 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by mannetti21
Looks good, only thing different I did was reset the ecu afterwards. Not sure if it was necessary, but to me it seemed like it would be a good idea for the ecu to re-learn with that type of mod.

How many degrees are you advancing?
2 degrees.. running with 17* timing...

did you have to unhook anything under the hood??? or did u just hook up the consult, did the timing and all is well?
Old Jun 26, 2009 | 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by pmohr
Should be ON, not ACC, no?

I remember the last one I did for an org member with the CONSULT, the ECTS was reading maybe 3 degrees outside of the 'acceptable' parameters. Wouldn't do anything until we let it cool off for like 10 minutes.
if u dont mind me asking... what are acceptable parameters for out cars??? 15* correct???
Old Jun 26, 2009 | 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by secondtonone317
wow, don't you wish that you beat the crap out of it instead of babying it






To the OP, someone told me that adjusting timing on a a33 ecu will only result in the ECU correcting those adjustments after a few days and you will ba back to stock timing. Is this accurate?

I have also heard people say that its the a33b ecu that doee it not the a33.
I've had my timing advanced for over 5 months now.
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Originally Posted by Grand_hustle17
if u dont mind me asking... what are acceptable parameters for out cars??? 15* correct???
correct
Old Jun 26, 2009 | 07:28 AM
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o.k just making sure... so is there anything needed to be unhooked from under the hood, thought i read that somewhere???
Old Jun 26, 2009 | 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by rbourne
Although I've not done it, I would not reccomend. Our cars are very sensitive and it could cause problems later. I took really good care of mine that I bought brand new in 02. Apart from cosmetics the only thing I did was a short ram intake, however the engine blew at 129k miles.
Well, maybe you should have modded it then. I've had the timing advance for over 4 years with no issues. I have a lot of mods and have never been accused of babying the car. In fact, I hammer it all the time. Mine has over 140,000 and 've never had an issue with the engine. Nearly all my power mods have been on for well over 3 years.

I think your case is pretty unique and doesn't represent all Maximas.
Old Jun 26, 2009 | 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Grand_hustle17
o.k just making sure... so is there anything needed to be unhooked from under the hood, thought i read that somewhere???
You don't even need to pop the hood.

Originally Posted by Grand_hustle17
if u dont mind me asking... what are acceptable parameters for out cars??? 15* correct???
That's stock base timing, yes. I was referring to coolant temp, don't remember the specs now.

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IDK, 1sexyleo has it on her auto never heard of it reseting itself
Indeed, I did her car and John's (vqmonster) a while back, and I've never seen one 'reset' itself.

Originally Posted by rbourne
Although I've not done it, I would not reccomend. Our cars are very sensitive and it could cause problems later. I took really good care of mine that I bought brand new in 02. Apart from cosmetics the only thing I did was a short ram intake, however the engine blew at 129k miles.
Exception, not the rule.

Just advancing the base timing won't cause the engine to explode, the VQ is hardly 'sensitive'.
Old Jun 26, 2009 | 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by rbourne
Although I've not done it, I would not reccomend. Our cars are very sensitive and it could cause problems later. I took really good care of mine that I bought brand new in 02. Apart from cosmetics the only thing I did was a short ram intake, however the engine blew at 129k miles.
well i have a 140K motor still running and mods in my sig... u might just be the one bad luck out the bunch, not because ur motor blew at 129K means that all VQ motors are sensitive, ask Sho off, 24K, or myself (my old 4th gen was beatn for about 75K+ miles and its still working beautiful) i understand why u may be a lil conservative, but im 100% the motor can take it, and if not, ill do another motor and do it again..
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Originally Posted by pmohr
You don't even need to pop the hood.



That's stock base timing, yes. I was referring to coolant temp, don't remember the specs now.



Indeed, I did her car and John's (vqmonster) a while back, and I've never seen one 'reset' itself.



Exception, not the rule.

Just advancing the base timing won't cause the engine to explode, the VQ is hardly 'sensitive'.
thanks PM (again) you should just change ur name to maximaJesus .. is there something about a VQ you dont know about???
Old Jun 26, 2009 | 06:37 PM
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done... i think, i did WOT the car on the way home and in 3rd it kinda had a funny feel to it, it was the feel of like when u have a missing plug, IDK if thats the ECU resteting itself like secondtonone said
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Originally Posted by Grand_hustle17
done... i think, i did WOT the car on the way home and in 3rd it kinda had a funny feel to it, it was the feel of like when u have a missing plug, IDK if thats the ECU resteting itself like secondtonone said
I thought the ECU uses different ignition mapping at WOT, so if that's true, you could rule out the effects of the advance
Old Jun 28, 2009 | 05:51 AM
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No opening the hood, your description Is correct via 17* timing. Nice noticable up-grade.. Off that note, anyone ever heard of running open loop all the time, and any benefits. If so, PLZ list how too.. or not, THX
Old Jun 28, 2009 | 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by rbourne
Although I've not done it, I would not reccomend. Our cars are very sensitive and it could cause problems later. I took really good care of mine that I bought brand new in 02. Apart from cosmetics the only thing I did was a short ram intake, however the engine blew at 129k miles.


did you have any problems with oil consumption?....i understand that this is a hit or miss problem with the VQ35DE
Old Jun 29, 2009 | 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by pmohr
Should be ON, not ACC, no?

I remember the last one I did for an org member with the CONSULT, the ECTS was reading maybe 3 degrees outside of the 'acceptable' parameters. Wouldn't do anything until we let it cool off for like 10 minutes.
Ya brain fart ... ON, but not running.

The Cipher flashes a warning window showing the actual ECTS temp w/ a message stating it's not there yet.
Old Jun 29, 2009 | 01:03 PM
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I had this done to mine a few months back, as it turns out my car actually had the timing retarded to 13* so the bump up to 17* was a bit of a kick. Got a little more tourque, about the same mileage but get some knocking at 1/8-1/4 throttle if I use cheap (Arco) 91 octane gas. Other than this there are no other mods done to my car which is at 105K miles.
Old Jun 29, 2009 | 10:45 PM
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same here about arco 91, i started using shell 91 and my knocking problem went away.
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