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Old 08-20-2009 | 04:58 PM
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Toyo Proxes 4 vs Goodyear Assurance Tripletread

Guys, I've searched maxima.org and from what I've read here, I think Proxes 4s are for me. I asked TireRack.com for advice and googled some other non-maxima.org reviews and found many great reviews for the TripleTread... based on how I drive/what I want. Can you help me decide?
Old 08-20-2009 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Maury
Guys, I've searched maxima.org and from what I've read here, I think Proxes 4s are for me. I asked TireRack.com for advice and googled some other non-maxima.org reviews and found many great reviews for the TripleTread... based on how I drive/what I want. Can you help me decide?
I had the Toyo Proxes 4s and now have GoodYear Eagle GTs. I think the Eagle GT is a better tire and is a much better in rain and light snow. The Eagle GT has a higher UTQG rating of 440 vs 300 so it should last much longer.

Either tire is a good choice.
Old 08-20-2009 | 05:34 PM
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thanks man - good to know, especially since in Reading, PA you're only an hour or so from me
Old 08-20-2009 | 08:31 PM
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I believe the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S Plus is rated at 500 for treadwear (50k warranty through Discount Tire - 45k from the manufacturer). Compare the prices. I haven't had any issues in the rain or snow with my Michelins.
Old 08-20-2009 | 08:35 PM
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Wouldn't this be better in the tires/rims section?
Old 08-20-2009 | 11:36 PM
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i have toyo proxes 4.. they're great when new, but in the rain are horrible when they wear down.. i hydrplane like none other
Old 08-21-2009 | 02:51 AM
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im on my 3rd set of toyo 4s, never had any issues rain or snow
Old 08-21-2009 | 04:04 AM
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Remember, although the wear rating is industry wide, the rating is published by each tire manufacturer according to their determination. They are not done by an independent company, so the results aren’t necessarily indicative of a longer lasting tire when compared company to company. Having said that, I would certainly assume that a tire that is rated at 400 compared to a 200 tire would definitely last longer, but 2x might be questionable.

Want a great tire, look at the Michelin Exalto A/S. I put a set of 225/55-16 on my daughter's Max early last year, great tire, great ride and handling, and great in snow. Never much on the Toyo's after I had a set of T1S that became noisy after about 1/2 wear.

The "Rack" doesn't handle Toyo tires, but you can check out these ratings:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...ireSearch=true

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Old 08-21-2009 | 06:35 AM
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thank you everyone for your input and i'm sorry, this prolly should have been posted in the tires section.

the more i dig for reviews on the web and the tire stores, the more i'm finding an equal number of good and bad. so confusing.
Old 08-21-2009 | 09:17 AM
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thanks man - good to know, especially since in Reading, PA you're only an hour or so from me
Is there a CJ Tires near you? My Eagle GTs were under $300 a pair out the door.
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Not sure, but I'll check. thx
Old 08-21-2009 | 09:40 AM
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i seems like you are looking at two pretty different tires here. I have the proxes 4 on my summer rims and love them but not for the winter. Since you live in PA and will be seeing snow i suggest checking out the falken 912's
Old 08-21-2009 | 09:46 AM
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interesting. thx
Old 08-21-2009 | 10:17 AM
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Put on a set of Eagle GT's near the end of winter. We have had a few good rain stroms and a bit light snow, they have been great. Dry and wet traction have been good.

There is a long sweeping off ramp that I take every day. With my old Hankook Ventus II's I never pushed past 85kph - with the Eagle's I have hit 100kph+. Don't want to push too mush, it's a 60kph zone, and I don't need a ticket.
Old 08-21-2009 | 11:42 AM
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Cool.
Old 08-21-2009 | 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Feldman
i seems like you are looking at two pretty different tires here. I have the proxes 4 on my summer rims and love them but not for the winter. Since you live in PA and will be seeing snow i suggest checking out the falken 912's
+1 on the falkens great tire for the price awsome dry/wet and not bad in the snow either. I live in mass and they've seen some pretty snowy roads and have handled quite well IMO. Probably one of the better a/s I've owned, super quiet and great all around traction. They do hava a soft sidewall but at 40psi I don't even notice it. My only complaint is in reverse I can feel some tread squirm but how often do we drive in reverse...lol
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+1 on Falkens ... I love mine
Old 08-23-2009 | 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Feldman
i seems like you are looking at two pretty different tires here. I have the proxes 4 on my summer rims and love them but not for the winter. Since you live in PA and will be seeing snow i suggest checking out the falken 912's
He's kinda right: apples to oranges on those comparos...

I don't think proxes4's should be considered an all-season tire -- not meant for snow.
I'm not a fan of anything Goodyear or Dunlop -- but that's just me.

I don't remember the Falken 912's being for snow either, and my 512's (last set) were TERRIBLE in the white stuff.
Falkens start-off good, but don't perform well as they wear past 50%.
Same for Kumho's.
You get what you PAY for.

A/S tires are ALWAYS a mixed bag -- you're losing summer traction to gain winter traction -- so it's ALWAYS a compromise.
Which half of your traction is MORE important to you? You decide.

The Michelin Pilot Exalto's are TOP rated on Tirerack, and the Bridgestone 960a/s's are #2 (what I run), and you can't go wrong the Mich. Pilot Sport A/S's ever....
But you WILL pay a premium for those tires!

Do a little more research, and you can decide based on price....because that's really what it ALL boils-down-to!

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Old 08-23-2009 | 09:07 AM
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thanks. to be honest, i never used to put any thought into tires, so almost anything will be an upgrade from the $90 off-brand tires my local guy always put on. not sure if i should make such an assumption but if i do assume any tire that the maxima.org members like should out-perform my expectations. hence, i want a tire that maintains good dry and wet weather grip (rain, not necessarily snow) longer than the off-brands i'm used to. now a local garage friend has recommended goodyear assurance and cooper CS4 ... but a quick internet search has shown me love and hate mail for each. what a weird search this has been. i sell acoustic guitars for a living... thank god they're not as cooky as tires
Old 08-23-2009 | 09:20 AM
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Buying tires IS a pain in the ****!!

VERY subjective, and no such thing as "typical" conditions or driving styles amongst ind. drivers....so, one man's Lexus is another man's Pinto.

Seems that you aren't as "picky" as the rest of us, so you're prob. okay with choosing a tire in the mid-price range, and one that isn't a "performance" tire.

I've never bought a PERFECT set of tires....and likely I never will.

I'd say select your price range, and work backwards from there.
If you're not too picky - you should be able to find a good tire that will suit your driving needs.

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Old 08-23-2009 | 10:29 AM
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You are looking at 2 completly different tires.

I used to have the toyo proxes 4s on my I35 and they were good but I found them to be noisier than I liked. WHen they were new it was just a light hum, and it didnt really bother me. As they wore though towards the end of their life they got to be just ABSURDLY annoying and my other car has open exhaust and mostly solid bushings (so I can deal with annoying vibrations and sounds) That being said they handled and braked well for an all season tire and got me through the snow (not great but got me through) Again until they got to about 50% wear and then they became pretty ****ty in the snow.

My GF had a maxima at the time with the triple treads and I thought they were a joke. THey were as expensive as my michellin pilot sports A/S and they were marginal at best at everything. They had ZERO performance, I used to have fun willingly locking up the brakes on that car just driving down the road because they provided zero traction. I wouldent even try a corner and in the winter they were okay. Only good thing about them was they were quite and rode like marshmellows.

I now have the michellin pilot sport A/S and they arent much more than the triple tread yet better at everything. This past winter I would go purposly park in a snow bank just to have fun pulling out of it. Granted they are no winter tire, but for a tire that performs this well while being quiet, it handles is own in the snow too. Just perfect all around tire so far. Ohh yeah and fantastic in the rain too.

If you want a no brainer decision and are willing to spend the money to get something quality, that really no one can argue with. Get the pilot sport A/S
Old 08-23-2009 | 12:43 PM
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I'll be needing new tires by the end of fall and am currently looking at the Dunlop SP Sport Signature series tires, which are all-season high performance tires that offer a 60k warranty. Have read nothing but good reviews regarding these tires, however, dont know much about them myself.

Anyone had any experience with these tires?

http://www.discounttiredirect.com/direct/tires/dunlop/product/productSize.do?tmn=SP%20Sport%20Signature&typ=Pass enger/Performance

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/surveydisplay.jsp?type=HPAS
Old 08-23-2009 | 05:24 PM
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thanks for all the advice guys. i was hoping to reflect and research for another week but i got a flat tire at a gig today, and i'm gonna go with a local garage who was happy to answer all my questions and emails all weekend long - outside of business hours. tomorrow by 4pm my maxima will be wearing 4 goodyear assurances. if i had the luxury of more time - who knows?

i really appreciate your time and .02

maury
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