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Old Sep 2, 2009 | 07:05 PM
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Struts any good replacements?

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So I'm kinda new to the whole suspension thing I have an 00 GLE stock suspension my rear suspension is starting to go. I'm not sure if should call them shocks or struts.
But anyways I'm looking for some shocks/ struts that have a sporty feel to them. To me the stock suspensions rolls just a little to much just looking for any suggestions on a new suspension that's not going to ruin my wallet but still give me a nice sporty feel to it.
Old Sep 2, 2009 | 07:09 PM
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please consult either the sticky threads at the top of this forum, or the "Suspension and Brakes" forum here for all you'll ever want to know about suspension and what to get.

oh, and down with the Red Sox
Old Sep 3, 2009 | 05:31 AM
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Did you check out the link I posted your dust shield thread.....it has the info you are looking for. If not, here it is again.
http://www.shiftice.com/spring_strut_decision.html

And also as stated in the other thread, to what Irish said!
Old Sep 3, 2009 | 07:01 AM
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Rolling too much, defined as reaching a steady-state roll angle that you consider to be excessive, is a spring and sta-bar issue. Struts only affect how quickly and how abruptly the car gets there.

Getting heeled over too quickly, or overshooting the equilibrium position and bouncing back to the steady-state roll angle is a strut issue.

Illumina settings are going to be trial and error. Start out at full soft and increase the stiffness until you get to a setting that gives you an appropriate combination of ride quality and control of how fast roll develops on corner entry. I don't recall precisely what settings I ended up with on my 20AE with OE springs (somewhere in the middle, maybe 3f/4r), but I have found the Ills to be a bit on the harsh side going over certain types of short sharp bumps at most any setting. Higher settings are worse where this is concerned, but it does not disappear at 2 (and 1 makes for a ride that's too "floaty" for either of us).


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Old Sep 3, 2009 | 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Norm Peterson
Rolling too much, defined as reaching a steady-state roll angle that you consider to be excessive, is a spring and sta-bar issue. Struts only affect how quickly and how abruptly the car gets there.

Getting heeled over too quickly, or overshooting the equilibrium position and bouncing back to the steady-state roll angle is a strut issue.

Illumina settings are going to be trial and error. Start out at full soft and increase the stiffness until you get to a setting that gives you an appropriate combination of ride quality and control of how fast roll develops on corner entry. I don't recall precisely what settings I ended up with on my 20AE with OE springs (somewhere in the middle, maybe 3f/4r), but I have found the Ills to be a bit on the harsh side going over certain types of short sharp bumps at most any setting. Higher settings are worse where this is concerned, but it does not disappear at 2 (and 1 makes for a ride that's too "floaty" for either of us).


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Don't they improve the ride quality & handling over OEM??? and are you still using stock springs???
Old Sep 3, 2009 | 07:31 AM
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Illumina so thats the name of the shocks. How much would 4 of those end up setting me back?
Old Sep 3, 2009 | 07:55 AM
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Don't they improve the ride quality & handling over OEM??? and are you still using stock springs???
Handling after a year or so is still much better than with the OE's when the car was brand-new. The car is much more composed over diagonal heaves in the road and the car no longer "corkscrews" while going over them.

Ride is anywhere from a bit better to not quite as good over most road surface conditions, with that one outstanding exception where it is very noticeably worse. Best I can figure is that the Ills aren't as digressive as perhaps they should be (too much damping at the high strut piston velocities encountered over that type of disturbance).

Harshness is what you feel when the suspension force changes rapidly and is almost entirely a damper issue. The mean static force simply balances the weight of the car, so it's the "extra" that goes into accelerating the body and making things shake and vibrate - the things you can actually sense. High damping forces can be developed with very little suspension motion being required, while big changes in the spring force would require either huge amounts of suspension motion or truly insane spring rates.


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Old Sep 3, 2009 | 01:22 PM
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try the search function. I like tokico illumnas.
Old Sep 4, 2009 | 07:24 AM
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Toikco Illuminas are about $500 for all 4. They have 5 stiffness settings I am running them on my car with OEM springs and there great. I just added Maxspeed springs Monday and still rides good. My Maxima had Tein s-tech springs (2.2" lowering) on it when I bought the car and it rode horrible, stiff as a dump truck. Illuminas and OEM springs ride great but I had to lower the maxima to get rid of the awful wheel gap so I went with the $126 shipped Maxspeed lowering springs (H&R spring knock-offs) only lowers 1.4". Now is a really sporty ride a little stiff but not bad. It is my wifes daily driver and she doesn't complain about it and the loves the new lower look.

If you want to get rid of body roll new struts will not help very much. First add a Addco Rear sway bar there around $140. That will help with body roll.
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