Friend wants to go to the track
10-20-2009, 11:38 AM
#2
It sounds like fun. Just go... have a good time.
10-20-2009, 11:46 AM
#4
Well let me rephrase he's more of an acquainance and hes just cocky about his car. I'm usually good to my car I never beat on it but if I have a chance of winning I'll do it just to rub it in his face.
edit: I just looked up the factory specs on the GTP... am I seeing things or does this supercharged 3800 really only make 240HP???
edit: I just looked up the factory specs on the GTP... am I seeing things or does this supercharged 3800 really only make 240HP???
Last edited by rosader; 10-20-2009 at 11:50 AM.
10-20-2009, 12:07 PM
#7
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Is he modded? If not, you should have the upper hand, if you can shift well.
Here's some perspective: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsGzlwWhLfk
Here's some perspective: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsGzlwWhLfk
10-20-2009, 12:19 PM
#9
Race for fun. If it's not fun, you need another hobby.
Here's a Car & Driver review on the 2004 GTP, where they outright claim a V6 Altima would have better performance.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...roup-road_test
The review also claims 15.0 seconds flat, which is spot on even with the 5.5 Maxima. So it's anybody's guess.
But seriously, if your motivation is to "rub it in his face" (as you said), and he's not a true friend (as you said), then there's nothing gained by racing him. Stay home. Have a beer with your real friends.
Here's a Car & Driver review on the 2004 GTP, where they outright claim a V6 Altima would have better performance.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...roup-road_test
The review also claims 15.0 seconds flat, which is spot on even with the 5.5 Maxima. So it's anybody's guess.
But seriously, if your motivation is to "rub it in his face" (as you said), and he's not a true friend (as you said), then there's nothing gained by racing him. Stay home. Have a beer with your real friends.
10-20-2009, 02:02 PM
#12
Is he modded? If not, you should have the upper hand, if you can shift well.
Here's some perspective: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsGzlwWhLfk
Here's some perspective: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsGzlwWhLfk
at the Civic...
i was thinking the same, esp if he was spraying...maybe it was a 90 hp one with a 25 shot, giving him like 110 WHP
10-20-2009, 02:34 PM
#14
i say just have fun ive been in one of those and to be honest i think even my 2k auto would beat it. its definitely a heavier car than the max and u gotta be around the same hp id imagine.
10-20-2009, 02:41 PM
#16
10-20-2009, 02:48 PM
#17
actually it depends on if its a pro tree or not... if not, look for the 3rd yellow light then floor it... if its a pro tree, then the second you see lights then go lol
10-20-2009, 05:58 PM
#18
is he modded?smaller pulley?..are you modded?
does he use slicks/dr? do you use slicks/dr?
we know he is auto.. are you auto or man?
have you ever been to a track?.. has he?
i ran one before in my 00 auto max(intake only) and kept dead even nose for nose for an 1/8 mile..
..some imp ?'s before we can guess results...
oh.. and my gf might give you a better run in her 06 GTP..
lol
does he use slicks/dr? do you use slicks/dr?
we know he is auto.. are you auto or man?
have you ever been to a track?.. has he?
i ran one before in my 00 auto max(intake only) and kept dead even nose for nose for an 1/8 mile..
..some imp ?'s before we can guess results...
oh.. and my gf might give you a better run in her 06 GTP..
lol
Last edited by mist max2000; 10-20-2009 at 06:02 PM.
10-20-2009, 07:14 PM
#19
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I have a 96 Bonneville with the S/C and I do admit that the max has nice torque but its nothing compared to the 3800 sc tq. tq steer is a ***** 
. With cai, exhaust, and a smaller pulley you could be pushing 270 hp, few more mods and 290-300 is highly possible.
He will get you in the 1/8 and if he doesnt have a pulley upgrade you may be able to catch him.
. With cai, exhaust, and a smaller pulley you could be pushing 270 hp, few more mods and 290-300 is highly possible.He will get you in the 1/8 and if he doesnt have a pulley upgrade you may be able to catch him.
10-21-2009, 11:29 AM
#22
is he modded?smaller pulley?..are you modded?
does he use slicks/dr? do you use slicks/dr?
we know he is auto.. are you auto or man?
have you ever been to a track?.. has he?
i ran one before in my 00 auto max(intake only) and kept dead even nose for nose for an 1/8 mile..
..some imp ?'s before we can guess results...
oh.. and my gf might give you a better run in her 06 GTP.. lol
does he use slicks/dr? do you use slicks/dr?
we know he is auto.. are you auto or man?
have you ever been to a track?.. has he?
i ran one before in my 00 auto max(intake only) and kept dead even nose for nose for an 1/8 mile..
..some imp ?'s before we can guess results...
oh.. and my gf might give you a better run in her 06 GTP..
lol
10-21-2009, 11:37 AM
#23
I have a 96 Bonneville with the S/C and I do admit that the max has nice torque but its nothing compared to the 3800 sc tq. tq steer is a ***** . With cai, exhaust, and a smaller pulley you could be pushing 270 hp, few more mods and 290-300 is highly possible.
He will get you in the 1/8 and if he doesnt have a pulley upgrade you may be able to catch him.
. With cai, exhaust, and a smaller pulley you could be pushing 270 hp, few more mods and 290-300 is highly possible.He will get you in the 1/8 and if he doesnt have a pulley upgrade you may be able to catch him.
10-21-2009, 11:46 AM
#24
Dragged once on a 1/4 mile raceway about 25 years ago in a modified Trans/Am. And ran one of those cone-track timed circuits 10 years ago in my then new '99 Maxima SE 5MT. Both are great memories. It's worth it, having a few of those memories under your belt when you get older and find yourself shopping for infant carriers.
As for street racing... as a youth, oh god yes. More times than I can count, and none that we are allowed to discuss on this forum. AND, most of which I'm a little ashamed of as an adult.
Hindsight has a way of lining up your priorities. If you can keep the nastiness in check between you and your competition, go to the track and enjoy the experience.
10-21-2009, 01:40 PM
#25
Definitely.
Dragged once on a 1/4 mile raceway about 25 years ago in a modified Trans/Am. And ran one of those cone-track timed circuits 10 years ago in my then new '99 Maxima SE 5MT. Both are great memories. It's worth it, having a few of those memories under your belt when you get older and find yourself shopping for infant carriers.
As for street racing... as a youth, oh god yes. More times than I can count, and none that we are allowed to discuss on this forum. AND, most of which I'm a little ashamed of as an adult.
Hindsight has a way of lining up your priorities. If you can keep the nastiness in check between you and your competition, go to the track and enjoy the experience.
Dragged once on a 1/4 mile raceway about 25 years ago in a modified Trans/Am. And ran one of those cone-track timed circuits 10 years ago in my then new '99 Maxima SE 5MT. Both are great memories. It's worth it, having a few of those memories under your belt when you get older and find yourself shopping for infant carriers.
As for street racing... as a youth, oh god yes. More times than I can count, and none that we are allowed to discuss on this forum. AND, most of which I'm a little ashamed of as an adult.
Hindsight has a way of lining up your priorities. If you can keep the nastiness in check between you and your competition, go to the track and enjoy the experience.
10-21-2009, 02:32 PM
#27
As far as I know he just got the car and it's completely stock and no slicks for either of us. I have a fidanza flywheel and exedy stage 1 clutch but thats it besides my lowered suspension which does nothing for me in a straight line race, oh and its a manual obviously. Neither of us have been to the track but I didn't want to race on the street (flawless driving record) so he recommended we go to the track for the "friday night races" Racing is not a hobby of mine I could care less but it might be fun to try it once.
Last edited by maxboy325; 10-21-2009 at 02:35 PM.
10-21-2009, 02:49 PM
#28
10-21-2009, 03:56 PM
#30
yeah suspension def helps.. if by chance you have illuminas.. then dial em up... if you have coilovers well.. you have some reading to do lol...if you can get a good 60' theres no reason you shouldnt beat him..
..man you really need an intake and a block off plate at least lol...
..man you really need an intake and a block off plate at least lol...
10-21-2009, 04:20 PM
#31
I only have the H&R Sport just a mild drop and im running KYB GR2's (I didnt have the money for adjustable) I'm gonna go ahead and race him, I'll let you guys know how it goes. I heard intake doesn't help much with our maximas. What is a block off plate and what does it do?
Last edited by rosader; 10-21-2009 at 04:22 PM.
10-21-2009, 07:14 PM
#32
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I highly doubt that a 3800 will blow a head gasket, maybe throw a rod but will almost never blow a head gasket. The buick riviera of 96 had the series II 3800 but the 01 GTP has a series IV which had a better S/C and lower intake on it. Like i was saying before if this was on the E-way running from 70mph on up, the max will take it (if the GTP was stock) but going from a stand still the max will have a hard time.
Maybe you guys can help me with this but one day I took my bonneville from out the yard to "knock off the dust" and went to a long straight way around my house. I have never been to the track before but from a stand still I got that car up to 95 mph in a block and 1/3. This is city blocks i may add so how is that compaired to the 1/4 mile.
Maybe you guys can help me with this but one day I took my bonneville from out the yard to "knock off the dust" and went to a long straight way around my house. I have never been to the track before but from a stand still I got that car up to 95 mph in a block and 1/3. This is city blocks i may add so how is that compaired to the 1/4 mile.
10-21-2009, 07:45 PM
#33
I don't think I need to step in here...
just a reminder to some, GM underrates there cars. That said (aka 240hp, really means we put down 240-250whp stock)
GTPs have you from a dig. We have torque right off the bat.
Its when we get up past 3,500-4,000 RPMs we loose the top end(stock only, once headers and pcm different story) and thats where the Maxima will catch
Final word:
my 04+ GTP will run 13's in the cold with just an intake and some other light work and we weigh 3,600 lbs so you should be able to keep at him if he's stock.
Other then that, its a close run, but really just have fun and learn from it. If he wins and wants to brag he beat a maxima...then thats not really saying much since your stock and he's supercharged
just a reminder to some, GM underrates there cars. That said (aka 240hp, really means we put down 240-250whp stock)
GTPs have you from a dig. We have torque right off the bat.
Its when we get up past 3,500-4,000 RPMs we loose the top end(stock only, once headers and pcm different story) and thats where the Maxima will catch
Final word:
my 04+ GTP will run 13's in the cold with just an intake and some other light work and we weigh 3,600 lbs
so you should be able to keep at him if he's stock.Other then that, its a close run, but really just have fun and learn from it. If he wins and wants to brag he beat a maxima...then thats not really saying much since your stock and he's supercharged
Last edited by DrunkieTheBear; 10-21-2009 at 08:06 PM.
10-21-2009, 07:48 PM
#34
I highly doubt that a 3800 will blow a head gasket, maybe throw a rod but will almost never blow a head gasket. The buick riviera of 96 had the series II 3800 but the 01 GTP has a series IV which had a better S/C and lower intake on it. Like i was saying before if this was on the E-way running from 70mph on up, the max will take it (if the GTP was stock) but going from a stand still the max will have a hard time.
Maybe you guys can help me with this but one day I took my bonneville from out the yard to "knock off the dust" and went to a long straight way around my house. I have never been to the track before but from a stand still I got that car up to 95 mph in a block and 1/3. This is city blocks i may add so how is that compaired to the 1/4 mile.
Maybe you guys can help me with this but one day I took my bonneville from out the yard to "knock off the dust" and went to a long straight way around my house. I have never been to the track before but from a stand still I got that car up to 95 mph in a block and 1/3. This is city blocks i may add so how is that compaired to the 1/4 mile.
block measurements can still be anything...but thats probably a 1/4 mile cause your trap speed should be right around there.
Trust me, I've been to the drag strip in the early days thinking I went through the strip in 13s and ended up running 15s.
10-21-2009, 07:58 PM
#35
Race for fun. If it's not fun, you need another hobby.
Here's a Car & Driver review on the 2004 GTP, where they outright claim a V6 Altima would have better performance.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...roup-road_test
The review also claims 15.0 seconds flat, which is spot on even with the 5.5 Maxima. So it's anybody's guess.
But seriously, if your motivation is to "rub it in his face" (as you said), and he's not a true friend (as you said), then there's nothing gained by racing him. Stay home. Have a beer with your real friends.
Here's a Car & Driver review on the 2004 GTP, where they outright claim a V6 Altima would have better performance.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...roup-road_test
The review also claims 15.0 seconds flat, which is spot on even with the 5.5 Maxima. So it's anybody's guess.
But seriously, if your motivation is to "rub it in his face" (as you said), and he's not a true friend (as you said), then there's nothing gained by racing him. Stay home. Have a beer with your real friends.
10-21-2009, 08:00 PM
#36
and if he's running a pulley, he has to be running headers and some other mods. That said, he should be in high 12s with DRs
if no headers with that pulley...his engine will be toast soon
10-21-2009, 08:04 PM
#37
I don't think I need to step in here...
just a reminder to some, GM underrates there cars. That said
GTPs have you from a dig. We have torque right off the bat.
Its when we get up past 3,500-4,000 RPMs we loose the top end(stock only, once headers and pcm different story) and thats where the Maxima will catch
Final word:
my 04+ GTP will run 13's in the cold with just an intake and some other light work, headers and some other mods will put the GTPs in 11s easy (after spending only about $2,500)
just a reminder to some, GM underrates there cars. That said
GTPs have you from a dig. We have torque right off the bat.
Its when we get up past 3,500-4,000 RPMs we loose the top end(stock only, once headers and pcm different story) and thats where the Maxima will catch
Final word:
my 04+ GTP will run 13's in the cold with just an intake and some other light work, headers and some other mods will put the GTPs in 11s easy (after spending only about $2,500)
I ran a GTP at Gateway, and I talked to the guy who was a cocky ****...he said he had a smaller pulley (don't remember what size), cai, catback, tune, and he was on drag radials and I beat him by like 1-2 cars in the 1/4...
After the race he said..."So, where's it at" and I was like "What?" and he said "Your nitrous"...needless to say he was like when I showed him how lightly modded my car was...
10-21-2009, 08:10 PM
#38
word of advice:
1st thing, don't do a burnout of street tires...it does nothing for you and its your first time, not really worth it.
2nd thing at the staging lights, block everything out and just stare at that 3rd yellow light, the moment that 2nd light starts to go out (and this happens fast) you should be laying into the gas (half then full) don't want to wheel hop
3rd, for most 3,500-4,500 rpms is the right range to launch from, it comes down to feel, if your wheel hopping badly bring down the rpm launch speed. The key here is to get your 60 fts down, anything below 2.4 for a first timer is pretty damn good.
4th, have fun and at each pass if you think you messed somethings up, just work on one thing at a time and concentrate on it till you get that one thing right, then work on another mistake you make till you have it perfect. Once you start nailing it, you'll know it
1st thing, don't do a burnout of street tires...it does nothing for you and its your first time, not really worth it.
2nd thing at the staging lights, block everything out and just stare at that 3rd yellow light, the moment that 2nd light starts to go out (and this happens fast) you should be laying into the gas (half then full) don't want to wheel hop
3rd, for most 3,500-4,500 rpms is the right range to launch from, it comes down to feel, if your wheel hopping badly bring down the rpm launch speed. The key here is to get your 60 fts down, anything below 2.4 for a first timer is pretty damn good.
4th, have fun and at each pass if you think you messed somethings up, just work on one thing at a time and concentrate on it till you get that one thing right, then work on another mistake you make till you have it perfect. Once you start nailing it, you'll know it
10-21-2009, 08:14 PM
#39
I ran a GTP at Gateway, and I talked to the guy who was a cocky ****...he said he had a smaller pulley (don't remember what size), cai, catback, tune, and he was on drag radials and I beat him by like 1-2 cars in the 1/4... After the race he said..."So, where's it at" and I was like "What?" and he said "Your nitrous"...needless to say he was like when I showed him how lightly modded my car was...
After the race he said..."So, where's it at" and I was like "What?" and he said "Your nitrous"...needless to say he was like when I showed him how lightly modded my car was...I'm not gonna lie, GM can make a good motor, ours is strong but performance isn't everything for us. Those older Series II motors with Gen 3 S/C's suck, that don't have the air flow to make them work right IMO.
On the other hand the one's you should watch for are the 04+ guys who are a Comp G (I don't really pay attention to the older GTPs cause they all suck IMO), reason being is our S/C is ported out to the max and we run a really nice final drive gearing ratio...that makes all the difference...except for when GM put those ****ty *** 6" wide chrome rims on the car with bicycle tires
Last edited by DrunkieTheBear; 10-21-2009 at 08:17 PM.