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Old 12-03-2009 | 11:28 PM
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Any who back to rochesters topic.....how about some nice spark plug wires and connectors. then they can branch out a bit to gain a bigger market as well.
Old 12-03-2009 | 11:36 PM
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Any who back to rochesters topic.....how about some nice spark plug wires and connectors. then they can branch out a bit to gain a bigger market as well.


Our cars don't have spark plug wires.
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NWP's forte is unique, machined products.

There are already plenty of intakes, rear sway bars, FSTB's, pulleys (both cheap and not cheap), springs, wheel spacers and coilovers. I just don't think he has the manufacturing resources to compete against Chinese intakes and spacers, Progress for springs and sway bars, Tein/H&R/Eibach/Megan for the rest.
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Originally Posted by SteveB123
NWP's forte is unique, machined products.

There are already plenty of intakes, rear sway bars, FSTB's, pulleys (both cheap and not cheap), springs, wheel spacers and coilovers. I just don't think he has the manufacturing resources to compete against Chinese intakes and spacers, Progress for springs and sway bars, Tein/H&R/Eibach/Megan for the rest.
You're right on both observations.

That doesn't mean Aaron couldn't design something superior for a mod that's already been done. His 3 current products are very unique to the market, and (let's be honest) conceptually simple. Complex manufactured parts like coilovers are highly unlikely to come out of NWP.

Suspension parts that reinforce rigidity... I could see that. Parts that provide improved cooling or increased air flow... I could see that, too. Um, both topics which he's already addressing.

All I'm saying is NWP has a stellar rep here, and whatever else he comes up with for his product line would probably be a slam dunk.

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Old 12-04-2009 | 05:57 AM
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Not sure. I have to replace my clutch/flywheel soon. After that I will most likely do the spacers and spark plugs.. Maybe Feb/Mar..

Who are you going with for clutch and flywheel?


I was also wondering - who has the reasonably priced cross-drilled and/or slotted rotors for front and rear? Would that be worth it for them to get into? Especially if the set could cross lines for altima 370 and G/M Series vehicles
Old 12-04-2009 | 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by mist max2000
rochester.. you should make a # list in your first post with everyones ideas and keep it updated and then maybe aaron will chime in and tell us were all crazy
You got it. Go to top.
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some of that list is funny.. supercharger.. lol..good work though.. cant wait to read NWP's response
Old 12-04-2009 | 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by MoncefA33
Normally the TB spacer is used to increase the intake charge velocity and "spin" the charge (using a vortex shape inside it) to help improve atomization when it reaches the intake manifold.

Worthless.
so why would this be worthless? my friend put on on his dakota and it provided a noticable difference. Why wouldnt it on our cars?
Old 12-04-2009 | 02:13 PM
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3" exhaust, or test pipe, better yet ported IM and heads and spacers to match, kit
Old 12-04-2009 | 02:19 PM
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3" exhaust, or test pipe, better yet ported IM and heads and spacers to match, kit
3" exhaust is available from Brian Catts.
Ported IM is available from NWP.
http://www.nwpengineering.com/services.html
Old 12-04-2009 | 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by SteveB123
3" exhaust is available from Brian Catts.
Ported IM is available from NWP.
http://www.nwpengineering.com/services.html
o.k.... lemme say this dirfferent............. a 3" thats less than brian c catts and thanks for the info... ported heads n blah blah blah like i said earlier
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Cattman will sell NWP parts at cost, so those guys already have some kind of relationship.
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Originally Posted by mist max2000
some of that list is funny.. supercharger.. lol..good work though.. cant wait to read NWP's response

Hey, get it right, roots style supercharger, not a vortech
















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oh, and it should fit under the stock hood.
Old 12-05-2009 | 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by knight_yyz
Hey, get it right, roots style supercharger, not a vortech
Updated. I kind of thought a supercharger kit was out there, too. (Like coilovers... how the heck would NWP manufacture coilovers?) But then, you're a pretty serious guy, Ray, so I'll take it at face value.


Originally Posted by mist max2000
some of that list is funny.. supercharger.. lol..good work though.. cant wait to read NWP's response
I imagine NWP's response, if any, will be a combination of flattery and annoyance. But Aaron has a very positive nature, so he'll likely and politely suppress the annoyance part.

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Old 12-05-2009 | 06:47 AM
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I just wanted to jump in here and say thank you for everyone's ideas and support! I don't mind brainstorming sessions at all. Please keep the posts coming!

I'm sorry that I don't have time to carefully read through this entire thread right now. But when I'm back in the office, I will spend some time analyzing all your ideas to see if some may be feasible for NWP. But, in the rough list that I saw in the original post, a couple of them caught my eye as a possibility. I'm sorry that I don't have time to elaborate right now. This weekend is pretty packed for me.

Thanks again for your support!
Old 12-05-2009 | 07:18 AM
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Put me on the list for light weight crank pulley with stock size
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Originally Posted by Aaron92SE
I just wanted to jump in here and say thank you for everyone's ideas and support! I don't mind brainstorming sessions at all. Please keep the posts coming!

I'm sorry that I don't have time to carefully read through this entire thread right now. But when I'm back in the office, I will spend some time analyzing all your ideas to see if some may be feasible for NWP. But, in the rough list that I saw in the original post, a couple of them caught my eye as a possibility. I'm sorry that I don't have time to elaborate right now. This weekend is pretty packed for me.

Thanks again for your support!
I hope that you can consider some of the products that you might develop for the 5th, for the 4th gen as well, as they're not all too different.
Old 12-05-2009 | 10:00 AM
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Short Ram CAI w/shielding & velocity stack

I got to thinking about the calls for a Short Ram CAI w/shielding & velocity stack.

There's a fair consensus that the 5th gen behaves better with a short-ram mid-pipe (like Berk or Frankencar); better as compared to a true CAI (like Injen). However, the short-ram lacks the cold-air source. And just about every short-ram solution involves the OEM MAF housing.

I bet NWP could design a wider, longer, single-piece, straight-pipe, integrating the MAF without the OEM housing. Ending with a velocity stack and/or an Apexi filter. And a filter area that was cleanly heat hielded... with a cold-air source funneled into that shielding.

He could even sell it optionally with the 2000-2001 MAF for the 5.0 gen, and that same $90 MAF already upgraded with the IAT for the 5.5 gen; (to bypass Nissan's $400 SNAFU on the 5.5 gen MAF.) I mean, it seems that every one of us needs a new MAF eventually, right?

While not necessarily original, I bet NWP could do it up with customized precision. A single-piece pipe with integrated MAF is the kind of machining that's right up Aaron's alley; (So to speak. Weird imagery. Sorry) Heck, given the right design, I'd replace my old Frankencar mid-pipe for something like this from NWP.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P90VnjMh5EQ

something like this? 80mm ID, 17" long without the stack.



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There is a design on the nissan forums from a guy with an altima who took a pontiac roots supercharger and adapted it to the altima. I see no reason why this couldn't be adapted to the maxima. He is looking for someone to mass produce the pieces required to mount the supercharger. You would have to source the supercharger at a wrecker and rebuild it.




http://www.nissanclub.com/forums/eng...-complete.html
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Originally Posted by knight_yyz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P90VnjMh5EQ

something like this? 80mm ID, 17" long without the stack.

Yes... I think I've seen that picture before.

Something like that, with detailed machining and super-clean welds, integrated with a securely mounted heat-shield and cold-air feed to a large diameter filter.

And, of course, with NWP etched into the side
Old 12-05-2009 | 10:53 AM
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is it just me or is anyone else completely unimpressed with a 12.6 timeslip on a SC VQ35? we have a N/A run running the same time!

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Originally Posted by HotshotVQ35
is it just me or is anyone else completely unimpressed with a 12.6 timeslip on a SC VQ35? we have a N/A run running the same time!
It's just you.
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I heard that sc'd altima is actually down to 12.2 And I don't think he has tuned. I could be wrong though. I heard he has another thread going besides this one, still waiting for my buddy to send me the link.
Old 12-05-2009 | 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by HotshotVQ35
is it just me or is anyone else completely unimpressed with a 12.6 timeslip on a SC VQ35? we have a N/A run running the same time!
Sc apparently makes power very late on the 35, right when you have to shift. So im not surprised at all.
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Back on topic...

...what about another torque link connector for the back side of the engine?
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I don't feel a need for anything to make the engine any stiffer. I have the ES bushings and my engine doesn't budge at 250+whp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us7FO-AhN64
Old 12-05-2009 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by knight_yyz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P90VnjMh5EQ

something like this? 80mm ID, 17" long without the stack.



EXACTLY! but i would keep the stack.
Old 12-05-2009 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by TeH BawNeY
Sc apparently makes power very late on the 35, right when you have to shift. So im not surprised at all.
Not the one he is referring to. A roots type setupe makes a lot of power down low. You are thinking of a setup using a centrifugal supercharger, like the Vortech based kits Stillen used to sell.
Take a look at a dyno from any Terminator Mustang Cobra and you will see what I mean.
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the stack is still there, I just haven't measured how much it adds to length. I just meant the pipe alone is 17"


And the roots style won't add an insane amount of horsepower. I'd be happy with an extra 50 at the wheels, which I think is about what you can get from a small roots style charger. To me anything over 300 at the wheels on FWD just isn't going to work well for a daily driver.
Old 12-05-2009 | 12:26 PM
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Couplers and clamps can be had on ebay, velocity stack from BPI , ebay, amazon.

What would be cool to see coming from Aaron next is a 3" ID maf tube available in various lengths with or without the breather hole.
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Originally Posted by Rochester
There's a fair consensus that the 5th gen behaves better with a short-ram mid-pipe (like Berk or Frankencar); better as compared to a true CAI (like Injen). However, the short-ram lacks the cold-air source. And just about every short-ram solution involves the OEM MAF housing.

I bet NWP could design a wider, longer, single-piece, straight-pipe, integrating the MAF without the OEM housing. Ending with a velocity stack and/or an Apexi filter. And a filter area that was cleanly heat hielded... with a cold-air source funneled into that shielding.

He could even sell it optionally with the 2000-2001 MAF for the 5.0 gen, and that same $90 MAF already upgraded with the IAT for the 5.5 gen; (to bypass Nissan's $400 SNAFU on the 5.5 gen MAF.) I mean, it seems that every one of us needs a new MAF eventually, right?

While not necessarily original, I bet NWP could do it up with customized precision. A single-piece pipe with integrated MAF is the kind of machining that's right up Aaron's alley; (So to speak. Weird imagery. Sorry) Heck, given the right design, I'd replace my old Frankencar mid-pipe for something like this from NWP.
Changing the MAF housing will require some type of tuning to compensate for the change in correlation between MAF reading and air flow. Therefore, a larger diameter MAF housing should be optional, although valuable for those that which to tune for it. Although, options will increase overhead and make the project less economically appealing for NWP, so this should be the only option.

The difficult design task will be creating a snorkel (tube) which can provide positive pressure to the 'filter box'. A couple differential pressure gauges can be very useful finding snorkel locations.

While this project may not have entirely unique components, pre-packaging combined with dyno tests could make it quite successful; especially if some of this work can be easily transferred to other markets (4th gen Maxima and 3.5L Altimas).

Also, an underdrive pulley setup would be nice; expecially if it didn't cost an arm and a leg; though I don't know what is currently available.
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Changing the MAF housing will require some type of tuning to compensate for the change in correlation between MAF reading and air flow.
If that's so, then the customized short ram should have the same diameter as the OEM MAF housing... is that what you're saying, 2slow?

Um, is "short ram" even accurate if the mid-pipe and MAF housing were integrated? Perhaps NWP could coin the term "Long-Ram Cold Air Intake"? (Obviously, I'm making this stuff up on the fly.)


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The difficult design task will be creating a snorkel (tube) which can provide positive pressure to the 'filter box'. A couple differential pressure gauges can be very useful finding snorkel locations.
Difficult perhaps, but just the kind of detailed uniqueness that would make a customized NWP solution valuable. An optimized straight intake which incorporates a cold air source.

I've been driving around for the last few weeks of near-freezing temperatures; my first time combining NWP Spacers and Winter air temps. The engine is running far more aggressive than I ever experienced before. It's pretty awesome. (The sadness is that now I'm running steels and snows, so WOT is much more difficult to control.)


Originally Posted by 2slow
While this project may not have entirely unique components, pre-packaging combined with dyno tests could make it quite successful; especially if some of this work can be easily transferred to other markets (4th gen Maxima and 3.5L Altimas).
Exactly.
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is it just me or is anyone else completely unimpressed with a 12.6 timeslip on a SC VQ35? we have a N/A run running the same time!
That's because he needs to try it on slicks.
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Originally Posted by HotshotVQ35
is it just me or is anyone else completely unimpressed with a 12.6 timeslip on a SC VQ35? we have a N/A run running the same time!
Depends on what his trap speed is. If it is under 110 mph, the car isn't making the power I'd expect. If it is 115-120, then the car is making a lot of power but just having a hard time putting it down.
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Originally Posted by Rochester
Um, is "short ram" even accurate if the mid-pipe and MAF housing were integrated? Perhaps NWP could coin the term "Long-Ram Cold Air Intake"? (Obviously, I'm making this stuff up on the fly.)
lol.... big bore maf housing would be a much more accurate representation of the piece, were it to be made.

Just a note, I and many other people would not buy it if it was only available in stock inner diameter. Function > bling.

Originally Posted by Rochester
I've been driving around for the last few weeks of near-freezing temperatures; my first time combining NWP Spacers and Winter air temps. The engine is running far more aggressive than I ever experienced before. It's pretty awesome. (The sadness is that now I'm running steels and snows, so WOT is much more difficult to control.)
Yeah the stock ECU runs anywhere from 19 to 25 degrees of timing during warm weather, and 25-35 degrees of timing when it's cold out at WOT. Combine that with the other benefits of cold air and I can see why the butt dyno likes it!
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Originally Posted by HotshotVQ35
is it just me or is anyone else completely unimpressed with a 12.6 timeslip on a SC VQ35? we have a N/A run running the same time!
Originally Posted by knight_yyz
I heard that sc'd altima is actually down to 12.2 And I don't think he has tuned. I could be wrong though. I heard he has another thread going besides this one, still waiting for my buddy to send me the link.
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That's because he needs to try it on slicks.
Originally Posted by Scottwax
Depends on what his trap speed is. If it is under 110 mph, the car isn't making the power I'd expect. If it is 115-120, then the car is making a lot of power but just having a hard time putting it down.
blah blah blah time slip
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lol.... big bore maf housing would be a much more accurate representation of the piece, were it to be made.
Got it. Thanks.

Originally Posted by sparks03max
Just a note, I and many other people would not buy it if it was only available in stock inner diameter. Function > bling.
Absolutely, function over bling. However, it's a safe bet that anything coming out of NWP would also be visually appealing.

My only engine bling is a pretty battery tie-down, and that's because it was free.
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Originally Posted by Rochester
If that's so, then the customized short ram should have the same diameter as the OEM MAF housing... is that what you're saying, 2slow?
A larger diameter MAF tube will help flow, but require tuning. Therefore, my opinion is that it should use the stock MAF housing, with an optional large diameter MAF tube. I'm pushing for a stock compatible system to appeal to widest audience, and so others like myself (on the fence about investing in an engine management system) don't need extra equipment for this one device.

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Um, is "short ram" even accurate if the mid-pipe and MAF housing were integrated? Perhaps NWP could coin the term "Long-Ram Cold Air Intake"? (Obviously, I'm making this stuff up on the fly.)
All these terms are made up, so NWP should use an unique name. Perhaps: cold air high ram induction system with optional MAFulator or the induction mutilator.


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