the S4 your talking of was from 92 - 94 which was as all of the audi S cars AWD

 

yeah but it also says that the 200 maxima 5 speed goes to 60 in 7.0 sec.Now wait a sec didn;'t u guys say that the 2000 2001 max have time of 6.5 secs.http://caranddriver.com/xp/Caranddri...lass=44&page=5

 

THATS why most people here do not trust mag times. they are usually untrue.
mag times

 

you see why mag links are no good?

0 - 60 = 6.7

http://www.motortrend.com/july99/nissan/2.html

 

1992(?) Dodge Spirit R/T, ///fastest FWD in north america EVER

check it at www.allpar.com

 

So we ALL agree that the Maxima is faster than a CL or TL, right?

 

yes

 

That is all, end of posts.

 

NO WAY

my TL-S will smoke all your slow ugly maximas I have NAV and with that I can run 13's stock once I get my headers and Comptech SC I will be running 8's no problem you guys have no clue what you are talking about i drove a maxima once and it was slow and then i drove the acura and it was fast i smoke maximas all the time if you want to race come here and i will smoke you to i have never lost to a maxima ever and once i get these mods for it i will be able to beat any car on the road because i paid more for my car than any of you did and my car has NAV and is better.

 

Here we go AGAIN!

 

LOL!

 

Car-stats.com has: 1991 Dodge Spirit R/T 6.5 15 . I don't think it's quicker unless I am missing something here.

 

yes i read htat too, so what i'm getting is that a 2k2 6-spd is the fastest FWD production car now and possibly EVER in the US. i'm so proud.

 

yes. the answer is yes.

 

Dodge Spirit R/T is the fastest EVER . I have the Mag when they ("AutoWeek" or "Automobile") tested it vs max and a few other cars.

It got 0-60 in 5.4 and I believe 14.~ on the 1/4. I will try to get my scanner up and running when I find the issue (I'm sick, I have years of mags).

Mags have changed a lot. They use to do true comparisions, there are many when you see the Max vs Audi, Saab, ...

Now they do there best to limit it to Jap vs Jap, or Jap vs Amer. If they did more head to head with Jap vs Euro, it would show that all the extra $$$ is just for name and not substance (in most cases).

I don't know it you guys recall, but when the SE-R first came out, I believe Car and Driver said, "If I didn't see the name, I surely would have thought this was a BMW (just faster)".

Or when MotorTrend gave the Max the car of the year in 95. "This thing feels like a BMW, and not the 3 series. ... This V6 feels like a V8 and rivals some of the best"

Today, you get a bunch of Camry vs max, Accord ... The Max has always been in the upper class of sedans, cars just don't jump class because a lot are sold.


Sorry, that's my little soap box

 

Oh, you think we are joking? We are not joking. The TL-S is fast. My TL-S has NAV. Just tell me where you are and I'll find you (with my NAV ) and race you. You will see.

Maxima's fear the TL-S.

Okay, we've about beat this to death now.

 

I think given the fact that neither of these cars are the fastest "ever" should humble you a bit when you realize that a 4 door FWD Amer made car stock would dust you in a heart beat!! That's if you really own a TL-s, nevertheless, even IF the TL-S is faster than the "normal Max", you better be thanking God Nissan is just putting the same engine in all it's cars, because if they made a Maxima SE-R which would be more of a direct comparsion

 

I have a HUGE collection of mags my self dating back to the early 90's. Try to scan that spirit write up for me, I wan't to see it with my own eyes .

 

3000GT VR4 is awd not fwd .... all other 3000GT are FWD though none of them will break 6.0

 

I'm looking hard I have a lot of boxes. You may have it also, it should be Autoweek, and it's a comparo with the Spirit R/t, SHO, Max and maybe one other car. It was between '91 and '94.

Well worst case, in my searching I found a Car and Driver(March 1991) with a test time of 5.8, 14.5@97mph with curb weight of 3162lbs, turbo charged 2.2L 4 DOHC, 224hp @ 6000, 217 lb-ft @ 2800, 5-sp.

I will scan it soon.

I'm tearing up my house looking for the other mag, when I saw it ... years ago 5.4 this is faster than the 300zx TT (on 0-60).

This is the ultimate sleeper, the M3 has just broken the the 5.5 time of the last gen, and this is 2001 - 2002, that car has had the king (speed) of sedan(FWD,RWD) title for 10+years

 

No it's not my boss has one. He has a 1991 R/T in silver. The best he's ever run on the track is a 14.2 and that's with exhaust and turbo mods. He brought in the Car and Driver (from 91) where they compared it to the SHO and the Lumina Z34. Stock it ran about a 15. Even the ad from Dodge in the magazine said something like 14.8 or so.

I'm not sure if the Maxima is the fastest FWD ever car sold in the US. I seem to recall the Volvo 850 T5-R's were faster. I recall them running 0-60 in 5.7 (or was it 6.7). I'm not sure what they did in the 1/4, but they would go 155-157MPH top speed (which Motor Trend said was the faster FWD car they ever tested). I long ago got rid of my Motor Trends, so I'm not sure.

I just did some web searches and it looks like the T5-R's were not faster. Nor were the Omni GLH's. Supposedly depending on who you believe the R/T may be slightly faster, but I don't buy it. None of the mags ever got the times some sites are claiming for the car. Like I mentioned earlier my boss has one and his track best is 14.2 he's a really good driver.

So I guess I'm going to say the Maxima appears to be the fastest Mass Production FWD car made to date.

Stereodude

 

If we're talking about 1/4 miles and mag times put aside, then I'd have to say that it would be the Pontiac GTP. I've seen slips, videos, and witnesses testify to a handful of GTPs hitting 14.1-14.2 bonestock. On a cold night and a sticky track, a GTP is very hard to beat.

Dave

 

850 R did 0-60 6.6 and MT got it up to 152 MPH.


Dave, there must be a huge discrepency in the mags I have with the GTP, the best time I have seen the GTP do is 6.7 0-60 and 15.2 in 1/4 mile. A 6spd max is defiantly quicker then a stock GTP. If there was a 2002 6spd max at the same track at the same time as the GTP's 14.1-14.2 a max would be quicker. We already have a 14.3 with a driver who is still learning how to drive a manual and his max is barely even broken in yet, plus he was shifting early.

 

And we have a winner!!! Although, I personally think that most 2K2 Maxima 6 speeds will run faster than most 2K2 GTP's stock most of the time, there are always those factory freaks out there.

Club GP post

AND

F body Forum

 

We will have factory freaks too, lol.

 

Not to mention the 2nd one is a "theblue-esque" run with no interior and a removed headlight. That's not my definition of stock.

Stereodude

 

LOL!!! True, but with the interior intact that is still a 14.1 at worst run. You guys don't rag on him for that do you? That's funny

 

Yes, there is a huge discrepency between mag times and track times. The GTP is an honest to God mid 14 second car straight off the showroom floor. Until we truely see Maxima's going 14.1-14.2 bonestock, then I'll change my opinion. I just noticed over at clubgp.com that someone just ran a 14.0 bonestock. Yikes!!!


Dave

 

too bad those cars are ugly

 

Are you serious?

 

i think it's more impressive that the spirit is a 4 banger, and runs that fast.

 

it has a turbo.. that kinda helps

 

FWD Turbo though

 

FWD Turbo.. RWD Turbo .. AWD Turbo.. LWD Turbo.. its still a turbo

 

also, you don't see many stock 224hp, 4cyl turbo's

 

WRX has a 227 HP turbo 4 banger.

 

awd

 

GS-T

 

only 210 hp.

 

still FWD and Turbo