VQ on Ward's 10Best List
12-11-2001, 03:54 PM
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VQ on Ward's 10Best List
12-11-2001, 07:46 PM
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Who the hell is "Ward's Communications Inc." anyway, and what's to say they have any understanding about engines. Has anybody else questioned this, because I read some of the comments they had about other engines, and it seemed like they knew jack sh-t about cars.
12-11-2001, 08:02 PM
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Originally posted by ColgateU
Who the hell is "Ward's Communications Inc." anyway, and what's to say they have any understanding about engines. Has anybody else questioned this, because I read some of the comments they had about other engines, and it seemed like they knew jack sh-t about cars.
Who the hell is "Ward's Communications Inc." anyway, and what's to say they have any understanding about engines. Has anybody else questioned this, because I read some of the comments they had about other engines, and it seemed like they knew jack sh-t about cars.
12-11-2001, 08:37 PM
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Originally posted by 190hpKiLLA
Well I dont care how good the "Ward's Communications Inc." is , cause other mags also say that nissan engines rock!
Well I dont care how good the "Ward's Communications Inc." is , cause other mags also say that nissan engines rock!
your the SH**. Enough said!!
Congrats to Nissan and to All maxima drivers who know how sweet those engines are!!
12-11-2001, 11:51 PM
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Hey ... its GOOD to let all your Jealousy and Ill Feelings out.
U'll feel a bit better.
And Colgate, go Brush your Teeth cuz I can smell your stank over the net.
U'll feel a bit better.
And Colgate, go Brush your Teeth cuz I can smell your stank over the net.
Originally posted by ColgateU
Who the hell is "Ward's Communications Inc." anyway, and what's to say they have any understanding about engines. Has anybody else questioned this, because I read some of the comments they had about other engines, and it seemed like they knew jack sh-t about cars.
Who the hell is "Ward's Communications Inc." anyway, and what's to say they have any understanding about engines. Has anybody else questioned this, because I read some of the comments they had about other engines, and it seemed like they knew jack sh-t about cars.
12-12-2001, 03:55 AM
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Originally posted by ColgateU
Who the hell is . . . .
Who the hell is . . . .
Norm
12-12-2001, 11:59 AM
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Originally posted by ColgateU
Who the hell is "Ward's Communications Inc." anyway, and what's to say they have any understanding about engines. Has anybody else questioned this, because I read some of the comments they had about other engines, and it seemed like they knew jack sh-t about cars.
Who the hell is "Ward's Communications Inc." anyway, and what's to say they have any understanding about engines. Has anybody else questioned this, because I read some of the comments they had about other engines, and it seemed like they knew jack sh-t about cars.
Congratulations to Nissan...Again.
12-12-2001, 01:01 PM
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Originally posted by ColgateU
Who the hell is "Ward's Communications Inc." anyway, and what's to say they have any understanding about engines. Has anybody else questioned this, because I read some of the comments they had about other engines, and it seemed like they knew jack sh-t about cars.
Who the hell is "Ward's Communications Inc." anyway, and what's to say they have any understanding about engines. Has anybody else questioned this, because I read some of the comments they had about other engines, and it seemed like they knew jack sh-t about cars.
Who knows. The only place i have ever heard of Ward's Comm. or Ward's auto was in reference to the VQ series. Yes, the engine is spectacular and fits every point that the article makes, however, the company/magazine/paper eludes me in other fashions.
Norm Peterson
When a 3-liter V6 puts out nearly the same power (222 - 227) as the previous-generation BMW inline 6 (240) and runs smoothly enough that its V-configuration is not apparent without looking under the hood it should be expected to make anybody's 10 Best engines list. The surprise would be if it didn't.
When a 3-liter V6 puts out nearly the same power (222 - 227) as the previous-generation BMW inline 6 (240) and runs smoothly enough that its V-configuration is not apparent without looking under the hood it should be expected to make anybody's 10 Best engines list. The surprise would be if it didn't.
the difference between Nissan and BMW is, BMW has the ***** to put a rwd configuration to their engines and make it work right. It isn't surprising why the 3-series is among the 10 best from Motor Trend.
Just imagine a VQ in a 3000lb RWD chassis. That would win 10 Best Awards, Best Import of the Year, Best everything...oh wait, the 350z will have it and I can't wait! Took nissan 6 years to introduce a sports car into the USDM... (sorry, but the USDM last gen 240sx is such a disgrace to the sports car moniker).
Go VQ!
12-12-2001, 07:45 PM
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Originally posted by ColgateU
Who the hell is "Ward's Communications Inc." anyway, and what's to say they have any understanding about engines. Has anybody else questioned this, because I read some of the comments they had about other engines, and it seemed like they knew jack sh-t about cars.
Who the hell is "Ward's Communications Inc." anyway, and what's to say they have any understanding about engines. Has anybody else questioned this, because I read some of the comments they had about other engines, and it seemed like they knew jack sh-t about cars.
12-12-2001, 07:52 PM
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Here's the link to the actual article from wardsauto.com
http://www.industryclick.com/microsi...azineid=50&srt
http://www.industryclick.com/microsi...azineid=50&srt
12-13-2001, 03:24 AM
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Originally posted by Driven EF9
. . . I don't get what you're trying to suggest? Are you saying a V6 doesn't run as smoothly as an I6?
. . . I don't get what you're trying to suggest? Are you saying a V6 doesn't run as smoothly as an I6?
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12-13-2001, 06:41 AM
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Originally posted by Norm Peterson
Exactly that. An inline 6 can be completely balanced for both primary and secondary forces and moments for the rotating/reciprocating assembly. A V6 cannot bring all 4 of those parameters into balance simultaneously specifically because of the angle between the banks of cylinders.
Norm
Exactly that. An inline 6 can be completely balanced for both primary and secondary forces and moments for the rotating/reciprocating assembly. A V6 cannot bring all 4 of those parameters into balance simultaneously specifically because of the angle between the banks of cylinders.
Norm
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12-13-2001, 08:05 AM
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Originally posted by Stereodude
That depends on the angle of the V. 60 degree V-6's are balanced. 90 degree ones are not (without the aid of balance shafts).
That depends on the angle of the V. 60 degree V-6's are balanced. 90 degree ones are not (without the aid of balance shafts).
But rotating/reciprocating balance is a function of moving/rotating internal masses and the angular relations among them, not the spacing between combustion events. I think it's at least the secondary moments that can't be balanced since the inertia forces developed by a piston moving up in one bank cannot be equal to and and parallel with the inertia forces developed by any other piston. Not even in a 60 degree V6. Somewhere in my pile of books at home I've got better descriptions of this. Or maybe I can find something in a copy of Marks' Handbook for Mechanical Engineers here in the office.
As a practical matter, these imbalances can be minimized by careful design and close tolerances, and are normally less than the same disturbances in an inline-4 of similar bore & stroke.
Norm
12-14-2001, 04:40 AM
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Originally posted by Norm Peterson
Not true. Because the firing spacing is even for 60 degree 6's they are certainly smoother than odd-fire 90 degree 6's. Even-fire 6's are better than odd-fires, but introduce some small additional vibrations of their own as a consequence of the split crankpins that give you the even firing.
But rotating/reciprocating balance is a function of moving/rotating internal masses and the angular relations among them, not the spacing between combustion events. I think it's at least the secondary moments that can't be balanced since the inertia forces developed by a piston moving up in one bank cannot be equal to and and parallel with the inertia forces developed by any other piston. Not even in a 60 degree V6. Somewhere in my pile of books at home I've got better descriptions of this. Or maybe I can find something in a copy of Marks' Handbook for Mechanical Engineers here in the office.
As a practical matter, these imbalances can be minimized by careful design and close tolerances, and are normally less than the same disturbances in an inline-4 of similar bore & stroke.
Norm
Not true. Because the firing spacing is even for 60 degree 6's they are certainly smoother than odd-fire 90 degree 6's. Even-fire 6's are better than odd-fires, but introduce some small additional vibrations of their own as a consequence of the split crankpins that give you the even firing.
But rotating/reciprocating balance is a function of moving/rotating internal masses and the angular relations among them, not the spacing between combustion events. I think it's at least the secondary moments that can't be balanced since the inertia forces developed by a piston moving up in one bank cannot be equal to and and parallel with the inertia forces developed by any other piston. Not even in a 60 degree V6. Somewhere in my pile of books at home I've got better descriptions of this. Or maybe I can find something in a copy of Marks' Handbook for Mechanical Engineers here in the office.
As a practical matter, these imbalances can be minimized by careful design and close tolerances, and are normally less than the same disturbances in an inline-4 of similar bore & stroke.
Norm
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