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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 08:32 AM
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Bushing questions

I've been reading various suspension threads and have decided on my components (H&R springs + Tokico Illuminas) but now I'm wondering about the bushings. I assume ES is the only worthwhile option, but which bushings do I want? They have a ton on their site but I'm not sure which ones to get of if there's a better place to buy from.

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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 08:44 AM
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www.energysuspensionparts.com

For the front:
Get the control arm kit (1 kit includes both sides)
Sway bar bushings kit (if you drive a SE model, use the 23mm ones)

For the rear:
I would say it is not a must. I have not changed them yet.
Old Nov 29, 2010 | 08:52 AM
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Thanks for the quick response. What about the motor mounts?
Old Nov 29, 2010 | 10:48 AM
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I did them and I love it. But this mod is only for MT models.

Although I 've seen somebody on here working on a set for Auto.
Old Nov 29, 2010 | 12:02 PM
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Thanks. I have a 5sp SE so I think I'll take your recommendations.
Old Nov 29, 2010 | 04:14 PM
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Question - i have a 01 I30 't', i know they share almost all their parts but is the SE model comparable to the 't' model ?
Old Nov 30, 2010 | 02:52 AM
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Old Nov 30, 2010 | 08:13 AM
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Looking at this page, are there any other parts you recommend I purchase other than the motor mounts, front control arm and sway bar bushings? Also, there are two sets of motor mounts, the subframe bushings and the torque mounts, do I want both sets?
Old Nov 30, 2010 | 08:47 AM
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If you are going to work in this area of the car, I recommend you change all of the steering component as well. And please use Moog!

Inner Tie Rod (OEM nissan)
Outter Tie rods Moog
Ball Joint Moog
Sway bar Link Kit Moog
Front and rear shock top plate Moog
Shock dust boot Moog

As for your question regarding the two sets of motor mounts, one is in fact the bushings for the cross member (22,99$) and the other one is the motor mount inserts set (83.17$) The "2 torque mount position only" refers to the fact that this kit contains only the "roll" mounts. the one near the timing cover and the one on the tranny are not included and ES does not make them by the way.

If you are driving a SE model you need the ES 23mm sway bar bushings
Old Nov 30, 2010 | 08:52 AM
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You may look at this thread I made about my suspension rebuild and more.
http://forums.maxima.org/5th-generat...ng-noises.html
Old Nov 30, 2010 | 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by ColtMax
For the rear:
I would say it is not a must. I have not changed them yet.
MaximusTi swapped in the ES bushings in his RCA a few months ago, and is very content with the results.

It's on my list for Spring 2011... along with an OEM replacement of the Transmission-side Motor Mount.
Old Nov 30, 2010 | 09:56 AM
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If I'm following you correctly then it may be wise to buy just about everything on the page I linked (23mm sway bar bushings instead of 22mm though).

Edit: if I replace everything listed on that page, some of the items look like single parts and others look like kits. How many of each item would I want to buy? Also, I see a "strut mount" listed as well as an "upper strut mount kit". Do I need both of these? Do I need multiples? Are the Moog "front sway bar frame bushings" the same component as ES's front sway bar bushings? (if so I'd get the ES ones)

I know I need the following, could someone help me fill in the rest?
1x motor subframe bushings
1x torque mounts
1x front control arm bushings
1x rear trailing arm bushings
1x front sway bar bushings (23mm)

Thanks for everyone's help so far

2nd edit: if I buy the LCA kit from FCP I assume I can eliminate the control arm bushings from ES, is this correct?

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Old Nov 30, 2010 | 11:05 AM
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ok, I think I've got the list sorted out, how does this look for everything?
1x motor subframe bushings $22.99
1x torque mounts $83.17
FCP LCA kit $140
1x rear trailing arm bushings $65.84
1x front sway bar bushings (23mm) $19.99
vibrant FSTB $55
H&R springs $231
Tokico Illumina struts $439

Looks like the FCP kit contains LCAs, ball joints, tie rod ends, and sway bar end links. Is there anything else I'd need to purchase?
Old Nov 30, 2010 | 11:11 AM
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You could consider replacing your passenger-side and transmission-side engine mounts. Those two would be OEM replacements, where the mount hardware come with OEM bushings already pressed in. I think they're about $100 each, last time I looked.
Old Nov 30, 2010 | 12:08 PM
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Wont those ES lower motor mounts work on an auto as well?
Old Nov 30, 2010 | 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by atomztwins
Wont those ES lower motor mounts work on an auto as well?
ES only makes Torque Mount bushings for the manual-transmission Maxima. The auto-transmission Maxima has larger diameter mounts with electronically controlled, fluid-filled bushings.

That leaves you with 2 options. 1) Buy the MT mount and swap. 2) Customize an inner-diameter collar for your AT mount.

Um, Options #2 is really hard to do.
Old Nov 30, 2010 | 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Rochester
ES only makes Torque Mount bushings for the manual-transmission Maxima. The auto-transmission Maxima has larger diameter mounts with electronically controlled, fluid-filled bushings.

That leaves you with 2 options. 1) Buy the MT mount and swap. 2) Customize an inner-diameter collar for your AT mount.

Um, Options #2 is really hard to do.
John, I hope you're wrong. And I mean that in a good way, mind you. In fact, I think you are wrong, based on my findings leading up to and included in this thread:

http://forums.maxima.org/5th-generat...ics-specs.html

Oh, and while I'm thinking about it, only my front mount was electronic, the rear was regular ole everyday rubber.

I don't wanna pester the guys making my mounts for me, considering they're freebies, and the holidays just passed, so I don't have any "developments" news to relay, but I sure will as soon as I have something.

Based on my conversations and findings so far, I don't think the side mounts would be any real challenge either, but as I said before, I wanna product in my hand, and some idea on price, before branching out.
Old Nov 30, 2010 | 01:01 PM
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Anyone wanna take a look at my parts list above and tell me if I'm missing anything critical? I think I'll skip the additional motor mounts and just go with the ones from ES.
Old Nov 30, 2010 | 01:02 PM
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John, I hope you're wrong. And I mean that in a good way, mind you.
Well, "hard to do" from my point of view. There's only so much I can accomplish with a cordless screwdriver and a $15 ratchet set.

Ghost_54 had his AT mounts customized by knight_yyz. Seems like a huge project to me, but knight_yyz is a Toolie (tool & die).
Old Dec 1, 2010 | 06:28 AM
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I don't want to sound like a broken record.
Old Dec 1, 2010 | 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by shaidarharan
I don't want to sound like a broken record.
What, this list?
  • 1x motor subframe bushings $22.99
  • 1x torque mounts $83.17
  • FCP LCA kit $140
  • 1x rear trailing arm bushings $65.84
  • 1x front sway bar bushings (23mm) $19.99
  • vibrant FSTB $55
  • H&R springs $231
  • Tokico Illumina struts $439

Hmm... along with those new Illumina's, you should be replacing your front strut mounts. MOOG Mounts are like $100 for the pair. Rear mount plates are OEM, and probably just fine. Very few people need to replace the rear mounts, it seems. (Mine were fine.)

Also... new dust boots.

Consider buying into the Subframe Collars sold here on the Org by carnal_30. Very nice little mod.

I don't see a Rear Sway Bar in your list. Guessing you have one already, then.

Last, if you're paying a mechanic for all this work, be sure he's OK with the effort to rip out and press new bushings in the Torque Mounts, LCA's and RCA. These can all be very difficult and time-consuming. If your mechanic charges by the hour but can't commit to an estimate, you could find yourself on the receiving end of a huge bill.
Old Dec 1, 2010 | 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Rochester
What, this list?
  • 1x motor subframe bushings $22.99
  • 1x torque mounts $83.17
  • FCP LCA kit $140
  • 1x rear trailing arm bushings $65.84
  • 1x front sway bar bushings (23mm) $19.99
  • vibrant FSTB $55
  • H&R springs $231
  • Tokico Illumina struts $439

Hmm... along with those new Illumina's, you should be replacing your front strut mounts. MOOG Mounts are like $100 for the pair. Rear mount plates are OEM, and probably just fine. Very few people need to replace the rear mounts, it seems. (Mine were fine.)

Also... new dust boots.

Consider buying into the Subframe Collars sold here on the Org by carnal_30. Very nice little mod.

I don't see a Rear Sway Bar in your list. Guessing you have one already, then.

Last, if you're paying a mechanic for all this work, be sure he's OK with the effort to rip out and press new bushings in the Torque Mounts, LCA's and RCA. These can all be very difficult and time-consuming. If your mechanic charges by the hour but can't commit to an estimate, you could find yourself on the receiving end of a huge bill.
Thanks for the advice. I'll add front strut mounts to the list also. Looking at the Moog strut mounts on ES's website, they list two strut mount parts. One is just listed as "strut mount" and the other is "front upper strut mount kit". Which of these do I want, and I assume I'd need to buy two? Also I see a "front strut bellow/bumper kit", is that something I need as well?

I don't have a rear sway bar on the list, I thought the SE's had one stock?

Thanks again
Old Dec 1, 2010 | 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by shaidarharan
Thanks for the advice. I'll add front strut mounts to the list also. Looking at the Moog strut mounts on ES's website, they list two strut mount parts. One is just listed as "strut mount" and the other is "front upper strut mount kit". Which of these do I want, and I assume I'd need to buy two? Also I see a "front strut bellow/bumper kit", is that something I need as well?
I believe you need the kit. Don't know what the other one is. Rear, maybe? Someone else needs to chime in for an answer.

Originally Posted by shaidarharan
I thought the SE's had one stock?
Go look under your car. If you have one, then someone put it there because Nissan didn't. Call Brian Catts at Cattman Performance and see if he has the Progress RSB in stock. It's like $150+ or thereabouts.
Old Dec 1, 2010 | 09:47 AM
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I believe you need the kit. Don't know what the other one is. Rear, maybe? Someone else needs to chime in for an answer.
Ok, thanks.

Originally Posted by Rochester
Go look under your car. If you have one, then someone put it there because Nissan didn't. Call Brian Catts at Cattman Performance and see if he has the Progress RSB in stock. It's like $150+ or thereabouts.
Gotcha, my mistake. I would like to buy a Cattman exhaust, might as well buy my RSB from him as well.

Thanks again
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