Yeah, the broken search feature is really starting to wear thin.

Anyway, what I'm saying is that most of the ES bushings I would consider a mod, or an upgrade over stock. People swap out bushings for ES product for that very reason, long before their car is 10 years old or older and bushings wear out. That situation doesn't seem to apply to these two engine mounts.

It's all conjecture, Spock. But that's my thinking anyway.

And as I said up front, if I were keeping the car, I'd be on this list. Knight's project seems like a great idea: new end-mount bushings that are better than OEM. That sounds great.

 

Ah cool good thinking. Because you are versed on these ratings and I am oblivious to them, what would you say the difference of '20' equates to in real life.

perhaps a scale of 10, 1 being saggy titty soft, and 10 being 21 year old at the strip club getting a lap dance hard.

 

60 a is a bit softer. Say like a 30 year old Milf? LOL, i'll post a scale later to compare.

 

Depends on if she's had kids by that age or not

 

Shore 'a' 30 is a rubber band, 50 is an inner tube, 60 is car tire, 90 is a golf ball.

 

These are all 1" discs by about 1/8 thick. First one is 90a, and I cannot fold it with my left hand. Second is 83a, u can fold it halfway and third is 60 which is pretty soft

 

Cane Creek makes a seatpost called a Thudbuster that uses removable color coded inserts. You adjust them according to your body weight and how soft/hard you want the shock absorbancy. Their hardest "setting" is also color coded black as well. Must be a univeral system of some sorts with poly?

 

I think so, black is rated at 90 D which is basically solid plastic.

 

lmao

 

How about trying some PTFE (Teflon)? You can get all shapes and sizes of raw stock from McMaster/Carr. It's a bit more compliant than Delrin/Nylon and almost as easy to machine. You could probably make 2x 1/2 thickness bushings and press them into the mount from both sides. Once the inner sleeve and mount is in place it wouldn't move or separate axially. I made some LCA bushings like this years ago for my V6 Capri and they worked well.

 

Since you're 48, hearing you refer to a 30 year old woman as "Milf" has a certain irony that's pretty funny.

 

I think this would would better if the mount had a lip at both ends. I already made one from UHMW which is very similar to the material you mention.

 

(1) 60a Mount and (1) 30 year old Milf please. Shipped to 02148.

Thanks.

 

According to ES's website, Yes. Same mount inserts for 95-03: http://energysuspension.com/assets/f...on-catalog.pdf (@ p.49; p.50 of the pdf file)

I noticed they do not differentiate between left and right, so perhaps they are the same size. Maybe someone who has installed the ES mounts can confirm if they are the same...

Also, they offer them for manual transmission only. I don't know what the difference between the AT and MT motor mounts, so although [OP] you mentioned earlier that your inserts will fit the AT models, just want to confirm that on my 01 AT, I would just have to remove the old insert and press in yours in my existing housings? Very interested - TIA.

 

The ES bushings are for the motor mounts. The auto's have an electronic mount. With an auto, you have to source a manual transmission car motor mount in order to install the inserts.

Knight's inserts replace the other mounts located 1. at the transmission and 2. at the upper part of the engine (passenger side).

Edit: Or that is Knight's plan anyway!

 

I just realized that and was about to edit my post when you replied - didn't do my research

FYI, apparently it's not necessary to source a MT motor mount to use the ES busings on the 00-01 models.

I copied this directly from their website's part description:
"2002-2003 Fits the 3.5 Models Manual transmission Only
1995-2001 Fits the 3.0 Models Manual transmission Only
Automatic Transmission Models use an Electric Mount. These will replace those but these are not electric."

If I'm reading this thread correctly, installing Knight's inserts will alleviate some of the torque steer, or just the wheel hop?

 

I am hoping to replace the upper mounts. It will eliminate the saggy engine, and the very common clunk over bumps. Possibly wheel hop as well.
As to fitment on a 4th gen I can't comment as u do not have 4rh gen mounts. Perhaps someone with a 4th gen and a 5th gen motor swap can jump in and comment

 

[quote=EuroDriver;8240220]According to ES's website, Yes. Same mount inserts for 95-03: http://energysuspension.com/assets/f...on-catalog.pdf (@ p.49; p.50 of the pdf file)[quote]

This is for the motor mounts, not Knight's front mount - my bad, so still no confirmation it will fit 4th gen.

Yeah, sorry, I hadn't realized your application is different than the motor mounts that ES sells.

Please advise when you confirm whether it will also work for the tranny (rear) mount as well. Will add myself to list once this is confirmed.

 

very interesting, when mines go bad, I will definitely be looking for you.

 

Their all the same except for the trans mount.I have 3 of the 4th gen mounts on my 03 right now.but i did use the manual mounts from the 4th gen.

 

Ok, people are adding info without reading the whole thread. The upper mounts are different from left to right. And from Auto to MT. BUT the rubber bushing might be the same size. We won't know that until they are physically measured. So unless you have actually measured the inside rubber piece encased in the metal sleeve please refrain from posting about fitment.

 

Sorry about starting this whole confusion - I tried to correct my mistake, but looks like I made it worse. However, I am still confused about fitment. This is my understanding so far:

1) Your prototype is for the upper mount at the front of the engine (the mount near the passenger side inner fender well; the right side of the car).

2) It is still unconfirmed if the rear upper mount (driver side) is the same size.

What I'd like clarification on, is if your prototype (1), above - the upper mount on the passenger side) will fit in an automatic transmission mount housing. If I read your thread correctly, they are the same diameter on MT and AT, or is that still not confirmed either?

Thanks and sorry again for mucking up your thread...

 

The upper right hand side mount use the same housing for auto and MT. Just the inner bushing is different. I do not have anything on the left hand trans mount, but I am picking one up Saturday on my way to work. I will gut that one (auto) and measure it up. I have a 6 speed so I will measure that on Sunday after I am done installing the prototype.

 

I agree 100% and you're doing a great job designing this part. But from looking at your (Aluminum/Acrylic) prototypes it seems like you could increase the major dia. of the 1/2 insert to be greater than the mount housing and change the angle. Make the 1/2 insert minor dia. a press fit in the housing without the need for the spacer. A reamed hole sized for a press fit on the inner bolt sleeve would work with the larger insert flange, minor dia. and a butt joint length geometry to stabilize the 2 piece insert. Since PTFE is really easy to machine you could start with a reamed hole/faced to length blank. Then you could quickly and accurately; machine mirror image outside geometries of 1/2 inserts on a mandrel, in one lathe setup, with a form tool, by the dozens. BTW; If you haven't guessed by now, I was a Prototype Machinist for 20+yrs. I love this kind of stuff! I'm just thinking out of the box on a way you could get this part into production. Without being IMHO gouged for a molded part. From looking at your machining work, a 2 piece machined insert would only cost you the price of the stock and the time to machine them.

 

Sweet Knight, I'm in for a set if they end up fitting both. Unfortuneatly, early summer I did the transverse mount and tossed the old one(dammit). So I'll be gutting a new mount, but I'm pretty sure the tranny mount is on it's way out, so I hope they are the same

 

That would depend on how much you make per hour. And I dont think my boss will allow me to machine 50 or so pieces. And I think plastic is too inflexible for this job. How much do you think it would cost to buy the material, in Canada, and machine at least 20 pieces at 35 bucks an hour? I think the poly mount at 40 a pop is a good deal, it is almost the same size as the torque mounts and about the same price.

 

I think your idea has merit, and after thinking it over I may be able ti make the best of both our ideas. ES Cab bushings use a simulate 2 piece design so I will ask them to quote me a smaller poly bushing which will slip fit into both ends of the mount like ES did with our LCAB, at the king pin. Then people would only have to pay to press out rhe old bushing. The new ones could just be tapped in with a hammer feim both ends, then tap in the sleeve. I will get a quote and we'll see what they say

 

I would still want poly though, I still think solid plastic is too much.

 

I would agree that I too would want poly ones, would the solid hard plastic not create more vibration?

 

Good new guys, thanks to ghost_54 i am now in possession of an auto mount for the trans side. Preliminary measurements show that the automatic version of the drivers side trans mount is the same size as the passenger side. I have to gut it to get an exact reading but it is within 1/2mm. which probably means it will be the same size. if not i can always make the other one 1/2mm bigger and it would still fit. I will attempt to measure the 6MT model on the weekend. I will post pics tomorrow

 

First off, I'm glad to hear you're making a good salary. From the pictures, your machinist/design skills deserve it. As a "brother" R&D Machinist I know how unappreciated the ability to make ideas into reality can be. I thought you were the boss, but since that's not the case, it changes things. $40 a pop isn't a bad price. What made me think about an alternative, was the quote you got for the molding struck me as robbery! But we both know, in the end a machined part is going to take more $$$ and time than a molded part. I agree, Urethane is usually less expensive than Teflon, but they both have similar durometer properties. We used PTFE a lot, for epoxy over molds, it has great machine ability and holds tolerance. Even up to some ridiculously high temps 500 deg F if I remember, so it's pretty much inert. Just some info. for your mental tool box. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polytetrafluoroethylene Anyway, good work "Knight"! Pencil me in for one of these, or a set of you do both sides. My Max is a 2001 Auto trans.

 

That's exactly what I was talking about! What material is that, looks like Delrin. Way too hard IMHO.

 

UHMW

 

Fantastic update Knights, I hope we can get them done before it's too cold as well, would love to be driving on those during the winter.

 

I had to look that up. Silly me, I thought it was some kind of forum slang.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-h...t_polyethylene

I was telling the wifey about your project this morning, and she said, "Do you want to get these for your car?" That was sweet of her, but ... I'm selling next Spring, so it doesn't make sense.

Otherwise. I. Would. Buy. These.

 

You may buy them for me.

 

Ok guys, I have confirmed that both uppers on an auto are the same size within less than a half mm. The mounts are not round because of the manufacturing process but we can use the same poly bushing in both sides. Woohoo!. Just have to wait until Sunday to confirm the 6mt's but I'm confident this will work all around for both trans types.

 

It will be end if November delivery at earliest. My company is sending me to Germany for two weeks in November 13-26: so hoping to pick up when I get back. Just waiting for confirmation on the quote for one piece and two piece design

 

That's pretty tough stuff! As you say way too hard. What area do you work in, medical devices/prosthetics? We used a similar material for bearing surface applications, when PTFE was too soft. My area was Military/Aerospace. But since almost all the R&D fabrication jobs in the U.S. were outsourced. I'm now in OT working at a nursing home, helping elders learn to wash their butts again after surgery etc. Give my left nut for the opportunity to use a Lathe or Bridgeport again for "government jobs".

 

By trade I am a tool and die maker working for a tier 1 automotive supplier. But I am more industrial mechanic, fixing the automation lines, cnc machines, robotics etc. So we have a plethora of materials to use.