I was driving last night with my girlfriend and I saw a 1995 M3 manual with a aftermarket wing. She pointed it out to me and I followed it for a while. We then lined up at a light and when the light turned green I floored it. A Car got in the M3's way so he got behind me. I then shifted into second(perfect shift) and he got in the right lane and hung at my door all throughout second gear. I then shifted into third and in the middle of this gear he started pulling slightly till he was at my rear door at the 5500 rpms. This is where he started really pulling on me. From 5500 rpms 3rd gear to the middle of 4th gear he pulled maybe 3 cars on me. What the hell happened, I didnt miss any shifts or anything. I am wondering if the guy sprayed on me. I am a fan of BMW's and know that 95 was the slowest year, but they make a Euro intake system for that year and it supposedly adds 33hp for $1000 bucks.

 

Flatter torque curve + gearing + possible mods = you loose

Does this really surprise you?

 

Yeah, my man...you were doomed from the start.

 

How was i doomed?? The 95 had a 3.0 Liter engine with less torque than the 3.2L in the newer model E36's. They ran mid to high 14's in the quarter which is about the same as a 5th gen Max with the mods i have.

 

from looking at the mods you have and your 5 speed, I think you should have won if that M3 is stock.

Maybe he is upgraded too?

 

The '95 had a 2.9Liter and was lighter than your 5-speed and produced almost 20hp more and a bit more torque. 1/4 mile times more like 14.2@99 (taken from the C&D long term test). 5-60mph in 6.0 and a 5.5 on the 0-60. With a few mods, I say you were doomed from the start.

 

3.0 Im trying to think which engine family is belonged to (the code name...I think it was S50)I also think this engine still had OBDI equipement.
Car and Driver also got 0-60 time of 5.3seconds on the 1995 M3 in their comparision test with the 300ZX, SC300, Supra NA.

 

If he had an aftermarket chicken wing he probably had a few mods under the hood as well.

 

That's what racing is all about. You win some, you loose some ( and wonder what the hell happened ). You just hope to win more than loose and that you loose to worthy opponents...

It's all fun and games... until someone looses an eye.

 

hp number on paper don't mean nothing.
a caddy STS has 300+ hp and torque, but i will put my money on auto 5th gen which has less hp and torque in a race.

 

I would have thought that a 95 M3 would be a good match with my car. I tam almost positive the guy had mods. I am gonna try and race my friend on his 97 M3 auto and see how it goes .

Phatguy....you should have seen this guys wing, it was ricer!

 

Ricing an M3 makes me sick! Chicken wing on an M3?

I raced a new M3 in the summer and it pulls like crazy! I lost the battle but won the war though. He pulled on my like mad in third and fourth. But I had the good path and he got caught behind cars in the fast lane while I flew by him in the middle. I did it to him twice but damn they very fast!

 

Because you raced an M3, now the M3 people would laugh how about Maxima owners saying that Maxima is trying to race them......

 

Trust me the guy was going full out! I really don't care what they think. He could drive fast in a straight line but made bad choices not changing lanes and having to slam on the brakes for cars in front of him. I slowed way down until he caught back up and we did it again...he pulled away and had to slam on his brakes while I changed a lane or two and make a couple of moves and I was long gone at 200KM+ easy. I would put my car up against a stock e36 M3 without a doubt. Would be a good race!

 

M50 95' 3.0L 240HP@5300rpm 207pft@3950 0-60 5.7seconds
M52 97' 3.2L 241HP@6900rpm 236pft@3600 0-60 ???

s50/s52 were Euro only, and of course the real thing. the US m3 buyers were gypt out of about 40-80HP depending on year. that motor was the same engine engine you could find in a 328i just more displacement and more compression. The M\\\ engines do have a lot of HP, but it's all above 5000RPM! I have an S38 motor from a 88'M5. with a chip and no cat it's good for almost 300HP. going to go into my CS coupe (3200lb car) should be fun. If you really wan't a screamer but will still carry 5 get yourself a e34M5 94/95' 311HP stock 340+ with a simple chip upgrade! all for around $20-$26K

S50 286HP@7000rpm 236pft@3600

go here for more info: http://www.bmw-m.net/techdata/

http://www.bmwworld.com/models/m3_e36.htm

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by 73tiiguy
[B]M50 95' 3.0L 240HP@5300rpm 207pft@3950 0-60 5.7seconds
M52 97' 3.2L 241HP@6900rpm 236pft@3600 0-60 ???

for the 95 model, I beleive that the correct figure is 236 ft/lbs. Also what makes the M3 faster is the gearing of the BMW's. BMW's are geared very well, meaning very close, the 5th gear on a BMW is not over drive like most cars but a 1:1 ratio.

 

yes you right about me being wrong I think the 3.0L tourque was 225fpt@4250RPM. This taken from official bmw tech ref for the 1995 model year.



[QUOTE]Originally posted by JULIAN
[B]

 

here is the link:

http://www.bmw-m.net/techdata/95m3.htm

Also take a look at the data for 5th gear! yes, it's 1.00

 

I care to disagree about racing on paper ... here is why. All you need to know which car would win a race (forget the driver ... they will rarely be equal), 3 main factors come into play:

1) Car's weight.
2) Engine's torque and more importantly it's torque curve, which dictates HP.
3) Transmission's gearing.

If car 1 on paper has better stats than car 2, 99 times out of a 100, which equal drivers, car 1 will win. However, the driver is usually the one who loses the race in most cases. This is how someone in a stock Corvette Z06 can sometimes beat someone in a stock Viper. Paper says otherwise, but it happens due to the Viper driver either misshifting or shifting at the wrong time or just not paying attention.

 

Yes your statement does have merrit FastCougar. Case in point; I have a freind that owns a new E46M3, if you put him on the track and my Mother on the track in the same car, my Mom would kick his azz. I'm just really jelous thought. this punk has a car that needs to be driven as it was intended to! He won't let me drive it. Not because he thinks I'd wreck it, but probalbly because he's to cheap to pay for the dry-cleaning after he shat in his pants!

 

What color was his car? Was it white with ///M colors on the hood?

 

he was prolly running juice......did u notice a thick white exhaust coming out of the muffler?

 

well, yeah! espeically when i race 2 E36 M3s and survive!!

one from off the line start and the second one on freeway...

first car was 5 speed for sure, but not quiet sure about the second one..but the second one was slower than i thought so maybe he was an auto..but he was also more-fixed up one too.

the first car, we were able to hit first 3 gears before the next light, and we were really neck to neck until 2nd gear, and in 3rd i pulled away slightly..