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Old Jun 4, 2012 | 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Crusher103
IIRC tuner has some pretty wide rubber on his car, that would also come into play and if he has aftermarket suspension.
He does have some very wide, quality rubber. But the suspension is stock. More importantly, he has a damaged RSW end-link. So I'm thinking driver-mod. To his credit, Tuner is a seriously aggressive driver.

Originally Posted by Waxima
Definitely in for pics! Did merovi let you get a run in with your old Maxima or did you drive the G the whole time?
No, we didn't even think about it. Besides, we registered individually, so that would have been awkward. And regardless of my history, the Max is 100% his car. That's just the way things are.

Originally Posted by BobPezz
It's not really about under vs. over steer but balance & car control. Which is actually the most important thing to go fast, regardless of car or track. It may look cool to be all crossed up drifting w/tire smoke, but it's not the quickest way.
Perfect understanding of Auto-X, right there. Well said, Bob. I'm sure I could have shaved a few seconds off if I stopped drifting and started carving the corners better. Hindsight.

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BTW; What was the time differential between all 3 cars, I don't think you mentioned that?
My best run was 46.6x. Tuner's best was 46.3x. And merovi's best was 45.xx. Times haven't been posted online yet.

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Old Jun 4, 2012 | 06:22 AM
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maybe if you merovi shouldve undid his FTSB on one run
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Originally Posted by Rochester
He does have some very wide, quality rubber. But the suspension is stock. More importantly, he has a damaged RSW end-link. So I'm thinking driver-mod. To his credit, Tuner is a seriously aggressive driver.



No, we didn't even think about it. Besides, we registered individually, so that would have been awkward. And regardless of my history, the Max is 100% his car. That's just the way things are.



Perfect understanding of Auto-X, right there. Well said, Bob. I'm sure I could have shaved a few seconds off if I stopped drifting and started carving the corners better. Hindsight.



My best run was 46.6x. Tuner's best was 46.3x. And merovi's best was 45.xx. Times haven't been posted online yet.
45.317 to be exact
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Originally Posted by Crusher103
The maxima really is down to the driver, with the VQ35 useless amount of torque coming out of tight corners and its rear suspension being set up for straight line stability not corner carving.
I beg to differ.....



#hauff

Originally Posted by Crusher103
Makes me wonder about aackshun and his setup because he said he has a car that oversteers.....4th and 5th gens dont oversteer they understeer. Something is wrong there. The rear beam is setup with a slight toe-in. That can be good on multi-link RWD car, on a FWD sedan.....

Its either one of these 2 things or a combination of both. He is running very hard rear springs, or stupid high rear tire pressure. While it may seem great you got oversteer, effectively you are slowing the car down especially with high tire pressure. That just gets rid of all traction in the rear.

Unless he has done the beam bend and we dont know about it......
BC Type BR
8k Front 6K rear
Kuhmo V710s 225/45 17s Front / Kumho ASX 225/45/17 rear
Poly Bushings Everywhere
Car is lowered about 1.5", whatever has the control arms 5-10* below parallel to the ground.

MSR Houston Setup #1
22 PSI front / 38 Rear (Cold front, and warm rear)
14 or so clicks up front / 2 from full stiff in the rear, both springs compressed 8-10mm, can't remember exactly.

MSR Houston Setup #2
Same as above, but front tire PSI ran up to 25 warm, I kept it there, car would not handle the back end curvy portion of the track kept fighting me, so I said fck it and had one of my genius Forza ideas... Disconnect the front sway bar, car felt terrible at first but then I realized how soft the struts were.... Turned em up considerably and regained control of the front end and gained oversteerabilities

That track was my bish the rest of the day

Grand Sport Speedway
Same, but softened the rear.... and I don't like this track.

No Problem Raceway.... The death of the red car....
This track was very slippery, it felt like the rear of the car was on trays, my thread has the details on getting the rear end under control there.

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Or he has his rear sway bar set up tighter than a tick's azz...

It's not that hard to make a front drive car oversteer. My old Audi used to do that if I pitched it hard into a tight turn and lift the throttle. I'd have that bish at full opposite lock, and then mash down the gas to pull out of it once I got past the apex of the turn. And that was with the factory suspension.

I used to get my SVT Focus to do the same thing. It's actually quite controllable once you get the hang of doing it.
TLOS is teh chit, but a lot of cars today will not do it.

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Disconnected front swaybar.
Best. Mod. Ever.

....if you have coilovers

Originally Posted by MoncefA33
Gots me a SPEC Stg3 clutch and I'm looking for a VQ35 now...
AW CHIT 'CEF GON' BE FAST

Originally Posted by Crusher103
good luck.

after all this time and hopla about the 3.0 you are trying to go 3.5? b1tch. You best pull that 3.0 and install some VH45 pistons, up that damn compression:

https://maxima.org/forums/all-motor/...ion-ratio.html

Get to work b1tch.
Too late, helping a local goober here do that to his 3.slow

Originally Posted by Grand_hustle17
maybe if you merovi shouldve undid his FTSB on one run


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Old Jun 4, 2012 | 06:50 AM
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I wonder how 19x10 +30 would look on the maxima; if I got a 350z those are the wheels I would get for sure
Old Jun 4, 2012 | 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Crusher103
good luck.

after all this time and hopla about the 3.0 you are trying to go 3.5? b1tch. You best pull that 3.0 and install some VH45 pistons, up that damn compression:

https://maxima.org/forums/all-motor/...ion-ratio.html

Get to work b1tch.
STFU. And find me a VQ35.
Old Jun 4, 2012 | 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by aackshun
I beg to differ.....



#hauff
THIS!!!
Old Jun 4, 2012 | 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by merovi
45.317 to be exact
Jump up and woot. You deserve it.

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maintenance question...how much more difficult is it to change the belts on a I35 (3.5) than on a 5th gen max (3.0)? mom needs the belts and coolant hoses changed on her I35...is it pretty much the same, anything i should be weary of? (noobish question, but figured i better ask first)
Old Jun 4, 2012 | 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by MoncefA33
STFU. And find me a VQ35.
Block? If it's under 100lbs $300 shipped... If it's over I gotta freight it and I unno about pricing then....
Old Jun 4, 2012 | 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by phatboislim
maintenance question...how much more difficult is it to change the belts on a I35 (3.5) than on a 5th gen max (3.0)? mom needs the belts and coolant hoses changed on her I35...is it pretty much the same, anything i should be weary of? (noobish question, but figured i better ask first)
Just the same chit.... just a different name.... out here tryna get it....
Old Jun 4, 2012 | 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by aackshun
Just the same chit.... just a different name.... out here tryna get it....
Identical They even use the same idler pulley.
Old Jun 4, 2012 | 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by NmexMAX
Identical They even use the same idler pulley.
3.5 and 3.0?

Maybe the pulley itself but not the whole assembly, they work exactly the same though, but the mounting bracket and little arm is different.
Old Jun 4, 2012 | 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by aackshun
3.5 and 3.0?

Maybe the pulley itself but not the whole assembly, they work exactly the same though, but the mounting bracket and little arm is different.
For the PS?

I used the same parts when m 3.5's took a poop, borrowed from my 95 til I bought new hardware. This was for the AC/Amt. Not the PS though.


OAN:
I think I might go back to the 3" MAF, losing too much timing with the LRMAF. Either that or someone should buy my UTEC so I can haz Haltech.
Old Jun 4, 2012 | 07:19 AM
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dope dope dope..thanks fellas...shouldnt be no more than a 1hr situation to get them on and tensioned properly
Old Jun 4, 2012 | 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Rochester
Jump up and woot. You deserve it.

so he got u by more than a second?.... damn... maybe its the muffler tips

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Old Jun 4, 2012 | 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by NmexMAX
For the PS?

I used the same parts when m 3.5's took a poop, borrowed from my 95 til I bought new hardware. This was for the AC/Amt. Not the PS though.


OAN:
I think I might go back to the 3" MAF, losing too much timing with the LRMAF. Either that or someone should buy my UTEC so I can haz Haltech.
No AC/Alt..... Meh, if it works, it works.

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so he got u by a second?.... damn... maybe its the muffler tips
I know right? What a ricer
Old Jun 4, 2012 | 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by aackshun

I know right? What a ricer
Old Jun 4, 2012 | 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by MoncefA33
STFU. And find me a VQ35.
You azz. Get them pistons and throw them in your 3.0, 270whp will be in reach for your azz afterwords.
Old Jun 4, 2012 | 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Grand_hustle17
so he got u by more than a second?.... damn... maybe its the muffler tips
He's a good driver with a good car. It is what it is.

Here's a group photo from yesterday.

Old Jun 4, 2012 | 07:44 AM
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Not. Catching. Up. To. This. Thread.
Old Jun 4, 2012 | 07:51 AM
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can tennis end now so i can watch espn 1st take/cold pizza
Old Jun 4, 2012 | 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Rochester
He's a good driver with a good car. It is what it is.

Here's a group photo from yesterday.

Old Jun 4, 2012 | 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Rochester
He does have some very wide, quality rubber. But the suspension is stock. More importantly, he has a damaged RSW end-link. So I'm thinking driver-mod. To his credit, Tuner is a seriously aggressive driver.
Yes.... that effing endlink is literally not there. Ah well surprisingly I do doubt that it hurt my times that much.

The tires helped, I'm sure. They're a street tire to the fullest though.

As far as the agressive part, I think I was actually more reserved than either of you
While I thought I'd want to go out there and just bang for fun, once on the track, I wanted to get faster, period. And agressive driving doesn't really net faster times it seems we all learnt that. Slow and Gingerly nets times equal or better, at least, in the street cars it seemed to.

Originally Posted by merovi
45.317 to be exact
Rochester said it well, you did a great job out there, I watched your lines from the grid (as well as you can from far away), and you were trying lines, entry changes, etc. You really did a great job keeping that Maxima flat around the track, credit to suspension mods and a torque link, etc for out of the corner briskness and response, but you put it down out there.



There's been a lot of talk about the cars, and I can tell you guys the one biggest thing I learnt out there yesterday. The Driver > The Car.

When times and cars get posted that won't be hard to illustrate. Things like a C5 Vette that finally started pushing it near the last few laps but was still only getting 44.xx.

And a '95 Neon with nicer tires pulling 45 no problem.

There was also a GT-R there. I don't know his numbers on the last 4 runs, but the first 3 only netted about 46.xx as a best time IIRC
Old Jun 4, 2012 | 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Crusher103
The maxima really is down to the driver, with the VQ35 useless amount of torque coming out of tight corners and its rear suspension being set up for straight line stability not corner carving.
Actually, the Maxima rear beam does incredibly well when pushed to these limits. Always has. It's the slower speed stuff and over all DD 'feel' that sucks. But when pushed, it performs, Merovi putting down the best time was no surpise at all to me, in fact I was going to bet Rochester that Merovi would beat him, but never did.
Old Jun 4, 2012 | 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Grand_hustle17
so he got u by more than a second?.... damn... maybe its the muffler tips
rochester had no Rubber on that car. Though I don't htink it hurt him too bad.

Ryan and I had almost brand new rubber, but that's not good either actually, in most cases it's worse in that application.

I can say this with some confidence, Rochester could easily have broken 45 seconds with a few more runs, EASILY. I'd suspect closer to 44 seconds without much trouble.

He only turned T/C off on the LAST run. His car is fast, actually, if he'd have had T/C off the whole tiem, I have no doubt his times WOULD have been better than Merovis Maxima.
Old Jun 4, 2012 | 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by TunerMaxima3000
Merovi putting down the best time was no surpise at all to me, in fact I was going to bet Rochester that Merovi would beat him, but never did.
You should have, because I would have taken that bet. I thought all I had to do was steer the G and let the car do most of the work.

Boy, was I wrong. By the time I learned my lesson, turned off the traction control, and started trying to lower my times... it was too late and the day was over.

And hey, look at that. You were writing pretty much the same thing I was just now.
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Originally Posted by Rochester
He's a good driver with a good car. It is what it is.

Here's a group photo from yesterday.

[IMG]http://www.johnclare.com/pics/cars/top_gear.jpg[IMG]


Nice.

Originally Posted by ChrisMan287
Not. Catching. Up. To. This. Thread.
I know what you mean Mo.

Originally Posted by TunerMaxima3000
Actually, the Maxima rear beam does incredibly well when pushed to these limits. Always has. It's the slower speed stuff and over all DD 'feel' that sucks. But when pushed, it performs, Merovi putting down the best time was no surpise at all to me, in fact I was going to bet Rochester that Merovi would beat him, but never did.
Can I get a amennnn?
Old Jun 4, 2012 | 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by TunerMaxima3000
He only turned T/C off on the LAST run. His car is fast, actually, if he'd have had T/C off the whole tiem, I have no doubt his times WOULD have been better than Merovis Maxima.
Honestly, I think the best times would have been had if merovi took a few runs on the track with the G37S.

Old Jun 4, 2012 | 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Rochester
He's a good driver with a good car. It is what it is.

Here's a group photo from yesterday.

at Merovi
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All this talk on autox.... Man I wanna go now......

Lets get the red car running first, that way I can have the girl drive the white-mare as I whip the red car around open header

I'm suuuuuure they'd love that

BTW, same track, same wheels... The white car is a full damn 1 second slower.... Something is up with having drag radials on that car, because a 6MT and 3" catback aint responsible for 1 full second and 6mph on the trap
Old Jun 4, 2012 | 08:12 AM
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Looking up Camber kits on flea bay, suck we anit got someone that make adjustable lower control arms for are cars... all we get is a camber bolt kit
Old Jun 4, 2012 | 08:13 AM
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Looking up Camber kits on flea bay, suck we anit got someone that make adjustable lower control arms for are cars... all we get is a camber bolt kit
Front the money for adjustable ball joints.

That's all we really need.

But you have no use for that... Coilovers w/ Camber plates are all you'd ever need....
Old Jun 4, 2012 | 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Rochester
Honestly, I think the best times would have been had if merovi took a few runs on the track with the G37S.



Originally Posted by aackshun
All this talk on autox.... Man I wanna go now......
If I can find something even partially equal locally (within an hour or two), I'm in. This was a lot of fun and I want to do it again.

I cannot wait to get the coilovers, sway bar link, camber arms, etc on this car and go again. No doubt it will be night and day

OHHHHH. AND here's Proof that ROCHESTER actually does more than clean his car! Gettin' Greasy Under the Hood

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Old Jun 4, 2012 | 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by aackshun
All this talk on autox.... Man I wanna go now......

Lets get the red car running first, that way I can have the girl drive the white-mare as I whip the red car around open header

I'm suuuuuure they'd love that

BTW, same track, same wheels... The white car is a full damn 1 second slower.... Something is up with having drag radials on that car, because a 6MT and 3" catback aint responsible for 1 full second and 6mph on the trap
not at all.... weather maybe?................. kinda want to make a visit to the track also... its been a few
Old Jun 4, 2012 | 08:21 AM
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As for pictures..... nope, spectator line was WAY too far away, and not without reason, Spock didn't get close enough to get a decent shot. He also didn't take video, I can't offer any reason why he didn't that part I'm quite disappointed with....

My camera didn't have enough zoom on the standard lens to get a good pic but video would have been great. Oh well, I guess.

I did get a couple quick shots of Rochester's car and Merovi's car Saturday night while hanging out, at least.

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Originally Posted by Grand_hustle17
not at all.... weather maybe?................. kinda want to make a visit to the track also... its been a few
White car
-Corrected baytown
14.964 @ 92.664 MPH
-Corrected Sealy (Drag radials)
15.461 @ 90.795 MPH

Red Car
-Corrected baytown
14.744 @ 92.444 MPH (Drag radials + Car died after the 1000 ft)
-Corrected Sealy
14.665 @ 94.937 MPH

Red car only different mods are... 6MT, LW and US Crank Pulley, and a 3" catback.
Old Jun 4, 2012 | 08:23 AM
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OMG, Tuner. You caught me adding Liquid Schwartz to the G. Dammit.

Nice pictures you took Saturday night. Looking at them, I'm thinking I got at least 1 or 2 seconds off my runs by virtue of the how shiny my car is. What with the low wind resistance and all...

So much polish.

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a 95mph trap right now would be pretty nice lol
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Block? If it's under 100lbs $300 shipped... If it's over I gotta freight it and I unno about pricing then....
PM me we need to talk.



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