What's goin on..I'm trying to get the 2 degree timing advance for my 02 6 speed. Went to the dealership...They said they cant do it -_-. I know about the Cipher etc etc. But is there anyway else yall think i could get it done without dropping the money on one of them?? Im in MD by the way if anyone is feeling generous

 

Well I think if you can't find a local tuner shop with capabilities of doing the advance timing then your only luck would be to get the cipher data for $200.. I've been having the same issue, there arn't many Maximas where I live and no one can do it I guess. I'm left with only one option. The cipher.

 

You spoke with the wrong person. This is typically not something you "schedule" if that was the effort. You walk into the garage and ask to speak to the shop foreman or lead tech. Tell him the what you want and ask him to do it. If he hesitates, grease his palm.

This is what I and many others have done. I caught a good tech, told him what I wanted and he did it immediately. I offered to pay him and he refused.

 

They can do it easily with the Consult. Just talk to the tech directly.

Or find someone with the Blazt or Cipher cable.

 

I got a cipher cable if you near Allentown, PA. I did about 5 of them timing advances when I went to the East coast Maxima meetup. Easy money

 

Preciate the feedback everyone. I found someone with the Cipher in Md so ill be getting the advance on Friday. I'm still thinking about buying it too though, Why not right

 

Is what cases does an advance timing reset? Like can clearing ODB codes or doing a ECU reset clear the advance timing??

 

The advance will never get reset unless it is undone with the Cipher or Consult

 

I went to the Stealership today and one of the tech's was clueless. He asked why I would want to do this so I told his for performance. I asked his about a consult ODB and he said the only machine they have was ODB 1.. lol that's sounds like a bunch of crap to me but whatever.

 

$200 for a 2* timing advance is outright ridiculous, you'd have to be high off your a$$ to do that.

The difference is negligable at best, I'd pay $60, it's worth $60. No more. that's absolutely the max.

I paid $30 for mine

 

So I called a different Dealership today and they said they would do the advance for $60.. The guy told me that the advance wasn't gaurenteed since sometimes our cpu's will set it back to stock timing after some time. He's stated some people haven't had the problem where others have.. Does anyone know about this? Cuz if its true then spending the $200 for cipher would almost be worth it in the end. If the timing sets back 3 time and you pay for it 3 times then the cipher would be hella worth it. Also maybe there are some other people in your area that would want to take advantage of advance timing and then you could charge $20-30 a pop. The cipher does other things than just advance timing too which is kinda nice. Gets old taking your car to AutoZone every time a code pop ups. Still trying to decide the best route.

 

From the speculation I've heard, I repeat "Speculation", The timing can be returned to "normal" setting if you use regular gas for a prolonged period of time.

And the only time that would potentially cause an issue is if you drive the car fairly hard fairly consistantly while also using cheaper/lower octane gas.

2* timing advance should always be coupled with 91 or higher Octane.

 

ok, so you as long as you use 91 octane you should be fine.

 

I had my advance done in 2009 and it has remained right up until I replaced my ECU a week ago. Ive run regular numerous times and have caused the motor to knock many times.

The ECU only temporarily pulls timing if it detects knock...eventually it will revert back to the new default (17 deg)

 

My understanding of the Nissan code is that there is a range (13-17 deg) for the default value, and as long as you set it within this range, it will stay that way permanently.

When I was looking at have this done, I did have one clueless dealership that wanted to charge me over $100 to do it, while telling me it would reset. And another dealer that cited bogus legal reasons why they could not do it. In the end, I went with a used Technosquare ECU and called it a day.

 

Yeah I forgot to say when i went to the dealership the guy said "why you wanna do that, its gonna **** your car up" I didnt think there was anything wrong with it.. I always use 93 though.

 

The cipher would be worth it..Just for the reason that it does more than advance timing Someone offered me one for 175$.. Still debating

 

$175 is not a bad price considering a nice code reader will run around $130'ish. If I had found Cipher for around $200 when I made my purchase, I would have spent the extra money on Cipher.

 

The adjusted timing is not retained in the ECU... the values will default right back to it's original settings as soon as the Consult is unplugged. Only way to "permanently" change the value is to reflash the ECU... sorry folks.

 

I'm not sure how it could then be explained that years later timing is checked and confirmed to still be at +2 degrees over base/stock?

I seem to recall a conversation in one of the timing threads where there was mention of conditions where advanced timing may or will reset to stock. I recall there was also mention that if the advance was not done properly it would not hold either. I'll have to find the thread, but I want to say limp mode was another situation which defaulted the timing.... Others need to chime in.

Otherwise, the advance does indeed hold. Mine has.

 

Here's just one of the good, early threads on this. I may dig a little more, but I'm tired....someone else can search and post relevant links if they like.

https://maxima.org/showthread.php?t=...g+advance+hold

 

Prove it? Sorry dude but this is a well known mod has been for a loong time. I had mine done 2 years ago and timing is still at 17 base.

 

Hmm... sounds like I need to bribe a different (more qualified?) Nissan tech.

 

Also had mine done, about 3yrs ago, and as of 2 weeks ago it was still intact.

 

WEll I got the advance.. Hopefully its sticks

 

Good to hear man, what did you end up doing? Hopefully you found a competent tech that could do it for a reasonable price. How do you like it, what did you notice after the change?

 

I ended up going to see the guy that was going to sell me the Cipher nd he did it for me. Better throttle response is really about it.. When i get somemore stuff done to the car i should really see some change!

 

I didn't feel jack$h1t after had it done lol My mind tricked me into thinking better response for about 5 minutes, then I snapped back to reality.

 

most guys only notice an increase in fuel economy from what I hear. I noticed tip in was a bit quicker, but that could easily be the placebo effect.

 

Yeah..I just want to put these spacers on!

 

Seen dynos before regarding timing advances...you're only gaining 1-2hp so 'feeling it' will be in your head. I did notice better fuel economy though.

4th gen ECUs didn't keep timing advance settings...not sure if '00-01 ECUs were the same but '02+ ECUs definitely keep the changed settings.

I normally charge $10 for the timing advance here in Dallas. ...takes about 3 whole minutes

 

I got my advance done today and just gave the guy $25, my timing was at 14 when he hooked up the Consult 2, I defiantly notice a difference in response and maybe a little more power up to about 4,500 rpm.

So I was wondering if anyone knows if high altitude would affect the 2 deg advance? After driving a bit more I was getting that pinging sound thats known on our car's. I also changed the front three coils shortly after I did the advance with some used oem coils that I bought here off the org. I'll try swaping the coils again to see if the pinging goes away. I use 91 octane all the time.

 

Theoretically, higher altitudes should have a positive effect on pinging, i.e. reduce it. (You asked if it would have an effect on the timing advance, which it would have none.) With lower density air, there is less mass in the cylinder, thus lower temp and pressure after compression. This can also be seen in the lower AKI gasoline in high-altitude regions (85 vs. 87). So, I am guessing you have other issues...

 

i may be wrong, but i believe you have that backwards. less dense air is no good, people run slower track times at higher elevations

 

^that's what I was thinking also, think he has it backwards

 

I think tcb_02 got it right. He just used double negatives to confuse the matter.

Instead of 2+2=4 he was like 1+7-12+24-16=4

 

That's because I'm a [German] engineer...

"No good" is too general. In reality, there is almost always a different optimal point for a certain parameter (max power, efficiency, etc.). In this case, what is good for reducing ping is not necessarily good poor power production, although reducing ping is good for making power. And, yes, track times will be worse at high elevation because there is less mass in the fresh charge.

Because I cannot upload my entire Combustion Engines textbook (I don't have the pdf), see a little wiki on the subject:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinging...mal_combustion

 

The pinging only happens sometimes, lately at around 2,400 rmps, its not too bad but sometimes a little annoying.

It sux losing 15-35% power loss being in the Rockies. When I go on road trip's at sea level, I can feel a huge difference in power

 

This could more or less be fixed with forced induction

 

I know but that's alot of money on a max.. no wonder why everyone drives sti's and evo's out here.