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Old Jun 13, 2013 | 12:36 AM
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Might be to good to be true, but look what came with the latest Car Gauge Pro update. I'll test it out tomorrow.

Who am I kidding, almost 4am and I just went out to the car to try this. No dice on my V Gate. Checked the info for the update and it says Nissan 2001-2007 with kwp2000 support. Just ordered a bluetooth dongle that has kwp2000 support for $25 on ebay. Stay tuned for details after it arrives!

Side note... Idle air and self learn were performed successfully with the vgate.

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Old Jun 13, 2013 | 06:07 AM
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More info on 'Car Gauge Pro'? It's an Android app?

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Old Jun 13, 2013 | 06:39 AM
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Yup, it's an android app. Just search it on Google Play.
Old Jun 13, 2013 | 07:04 AM
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What are you currently using to connect with?
Old Jun 13, 2013 | 07:54 AM
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Not available for iPhones
Old Jun 13, 2013 | 07:54 AM
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Just a V Gate for some basic info and code reading:

http://www.obdshop.nl/obd-2-mini-blu...l#.UbnbrKMpAb0

What I'm going to try with next when it arrives:

http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/view item index=0&sbk=1&nav=SEARCH&itemId=171041739840
Old Jun 13, 2013 | 08:26 AM
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Interesting. I wonder if an ELM 327 dongle would work since it has kwp2000 support.
Old Jun 13, 2013 | 08:38 AM
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Just ordered one that does. I'll report back when it arrives.
Old Jun 13, 2013 | 08:38 AM
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O man I have elm327 and I have an android...I will try this for sure. Seems to good to be true.
Old Jun 13, 2013 | 09:04 AM
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I am trying www.nissandatascan.com software. I have a OBD2 cable showing up today, so I will know tonight if it works. The free version of the software will allow monitoring and what not, but if that works it means the full version will work. It will allow timing advance, etc.
Old Jun 13, 2013 | 11:18 AM
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Blazt and Data Scan II = 135 shipped from concept z. A basic obd2 cable won't work. Guess how I know... This app is $6 and the required bluetooth dongle is $30. If this works (which I still feel is a long shot).

http://scantech.proboards.com/thread/58/

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Old Jun 13, 2013 | 02:29 PM
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I've had an ELM327 Mini (sits almost flush and out of the way of your legs when driving) for over a year now. It says it supports KWP2000. Going to try this out tomorrow.

Link to the one I bought last year. Link to the one I bought last year.
Old Jun 13, 2013 | 03:37 PM
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Well I wanted to try this but my phone wont let me by the app. Sorry I couldnt help
Old Jun 13, 2013 | 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by rebelhell
I've had an ELM327 Mini (sits almost flush and out of the way of your legs when driving) for over a year now. It says it supports KWP2000. Going to try this out tomorrow.

Link to the one I bought last year. Link to the one I bought last year.
Any of us that try this should post log reports to the developer. I posted the link above. If he's trying to get this access for us why not help right?
Old Jun 13, 2013 | 04:53 PM
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Hope it works!
Old Jun 13, 2013 | 05:07 PM
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After I figured out what com port my USB output was assigned to it states that it's connected. It looks like this is going to work.
Old Jun 13, 2013 | 05:26 PM
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After I figured out what com port my USB output was assigned to it states that it's connected. It looks like this is going to work.
Kudos! I could only read data with my cheap cable. Thought I read that you needed something different (like the Blazt) to alter things like timing.

Gentlemen, advance your timing. In my sleep deprived state, I forgot the engine had to be warmed up. Worked with what I had.





And just incase... Here's a snapshot from Torque Pro



Idle RPM Adjustment also works like a charm. Increased up to 1500ish and back to normal just for the fun of it.

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Old Jun 13, 2013 | 06:55 PM
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That Is great...if I could get my phone to let me buy the app
Old Jun 13, 2013 | 07:00 PM
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Google Play won't let you buy it? That's odd.
Old Jun 13, 2013 | 07:02 PM
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That is effing awesome ONLY due to the fact that many stealerships in the Ottawa area wont do it. I just ordered an ELM I cannot WAIT I am sooooo excited!!!!!
Old Jun 13, 2013 | 07:17 PM
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Just bought the app.... have the elm plugged in and car is warming up......THIS BETTER NOT BE BS!
Old Jun 13, 2013 | 07:22 PM
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I just tried with elm. Did not work.

Wait I lied. It may have worked! Still learning app tho. How do I check for sure

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Old Jun 13, 2013 | 07:30 PM
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When connecting select Nissan, ECM... defaults to port 10 I believe. In OBD menu select self test, you'll see it there. It didn't work right away for me. I played around with just looking at the single pid live data in which I viewed the ignition timing pid. Went back to try one more time and it worked. I captured the screenshots as I did it. I thought it just had to warm up. I swear it does work, my photo shop skills are nonexistent. I captured the screenshots as I did it. It wasn't on my first try, that's for damn sure.
Old Jun 13, 2013 | 07:30 PM
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YuP. Ignitions timing keeps flicking back from 17 and 18. Nice find man!
Old Jun 13, 2013 | 07:32 PM
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Wait I lied. It may have worked! Still learning app tho. How do I check for sure
View the pid to see if it sticked. Make sure you save it (I forgot the first time). I was still a bit skeptical after that so I checked in a different app (I checked in Torque Pro, screenshot above... listed as timing advance).

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YuP. Ignitions timing keeps flicking back from 17 and 18. Nice find man!
Awesome, glad it worked for you. Hope it helps other that don't have a decent stealership to go to for this.

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Old Jun 13, 2013 | 07:41 PM
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Old Jun 13, 2013 | 07:41 PM
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Yup it is in torque as well. Thats awesome! I dont like it flicking back n forth tho lol
Old Jun 13, 2013 | 07:47 PM
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I've done a little searching but haven't been able to find what discernible gains are to be had by a 2 degree advance. I'm guessing a bump in the low end? I'm sure someone has run the dyno numbers. Is there a link somewhere?
Old Jun 13, 2013 | 07:50 PM
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From 17 to 18? Had the same happen to me. But then again view the pid and watch what happens when you step on the gas. Think that may be normal. Mine was defaulted on - 1, thinking now I should have only advanced to 1 instead of 2... but I think it's fine. Could be placebo, but I'm digging the faster throttle response.

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I've done a little searching but haven't been able to find what discernible gains are to be had by a 2 degree advance. I'm guessing a bump in the low end? I'm sure someone has run the dyno numbers. Is there a link somewhere?
hp gains? Not sure. If anything very minimal. Supposed to perform better gas mileage wise and what I just stated about throttle response. Not as laggy as it was.

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Old Jun 13, 2013 | 08:08 PM
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From 17 to 18? Had the same happen to me. But then again view the pid and watch what happens when you step on the gas. Think that may be normal. Mine was defaulted on - 1, thinking now I should have only advanced to 1 instead of 2... but I think it's fine. Could be placebo, but I'm digging the faster throttle response.
Mine was also defaulted at -1. It is normal for timing to change as rpms change....pistons moving at a different speed so ignition muat be earlier as it gets faster. Probably placebo but I feel throttle response is faster. I will see how gas mileage is in a few days or so. Withn a week I will calculate after a full fill... do it every fill anyways.
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Ever since I did NWP spacers my idle has been up around 900 RPMs and my timing would sit at 5 degrees. I used this just now and bumped it up 2 degrees and now my timing sits at 7 degrees and idle bumped up to 1000 RPMs. The app wont let me use the RPM adjustment feature, it says data not supported......GRRRRR
Old Jun 13, 2013 | 08:16 PM
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I would say to try it a couple times. It said data not supported for all the features and eventually it worked.
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Same here, I reconnected a couple times when it did that. Not the most user friendly app, and it has its bugs, but it does work.

Edit: I'm sure you are, but you are trying it with the car running right?

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Old Jun 13, 2013 | 08:43 PM
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Ok I'll try again in the morning.... So if I set the idle back down to 650 with the timing uo 2 degrees it should read 17 degrees for ignition timing at idle when warmed up.?


Yes i was. The only thing that would work with the engine off was the idle air relearn.
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Originally Posted by CauzinDrama
Ever since I did NWP spacers my idle has been up around 900 RPMs and my timing would sit at 5 degrees. I used this just now and bumped it up 2 degrees and now my timing sits at 7 degrees and idle bumped up to 1000 RPMs. The app wont let me use the RPM adjustment feature, it says data not supported......GRRRRR
I had to do idle air relearn to get my idle back to normal after spacers. The manual pedal dance version.
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I've done that and Ecu reset both a few times.
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Just let it chill, sometimes it takes a little while. I had that issue when I last changed my plugs, but it literally fixed itself.
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Just let it chill, sometimes it takes a little while. I had that issue when I last changed my plugs, but it literally fixed itself.
I changed my plugs too when I had it all apart. Installed nkg double platinum... See what happens.

This app is a handy tool I'll tell ya.... Works for abs diagnostic as well.
Old Jun 14, 2013 | 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by CauzinDrama
I changed my plugs too when I had it all apart. Installed nkg double platinum... See what happens.

This app is a handy tool I'll tell ya.... Works for abs diagnostic as well.
How much is it and where do I get it, (iPhone here )
Old Jun 14, 2013 | 07:17 AM
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Alright, tried to go back in this morning. It still read with the advance, but i couldn't adjust it or idle rpm. Just drove to work and tried once it was well warmed up and I could adjust both with no problem. I remember the engine temp has to be within a certain range even if being advanced with a Consult II, can someone verify that? Might help out those that are trying this out.

@CauzinDrama I could never get my idle air relearn to stick. I read a thread that said to pull the negative terminal right after you perform it. So I pulled the battery (both terminals, better safe than sorry) and even turned on my headlights and hazards to get all the remaining juice out. Left it over night and haven't had an issue yet. Whether pedal dancing or using this app, give that a shot.



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