Suggestions Needed - 6000k HID bulbs
01-18-2002, 10:19 AM
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i saw an audi a4(or a6 maybe) and he had one of the freaken brightest HID's i've seen. it made my stock look yellow. 
i figure it was a combination of the projector headlamps and maybe 6000k burners. dunno. however, i sent an email to autolamps yesterday and got this response..."Please note though, the 4100K is the one used in all OE applications and gives approx 20% more light than the 6000K." what do you guys think? 6000k or 4300k stock?
thanks for the input guys!
i figure it was a combination of the projector headlamps and maybe 6000k burners. dunno. however, i sent an email to autolamps yesterday and got this response..."Please note though, the 4100K is the one used in all OE applications and gives approx 20% more light than the 6000K." what do you guys think? 6000k or 4300k stock?
thanks for the input guys!
01-18-2002, 12:34 PM
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Originally posted by maxkillz74
i saw an audi a4(or a6 maybe) and he had one of the freaken brightest HID's i've seen. it made my stock look yellow.
i figure it was a combination of the projector headlamps and maybe 6000k burners. dunno. however, i sent an email to autolamps yesterday and got this response..."Please note though, the 4100K is the one used in all OE applications and gives approx 20% more light than the 6000K." what do you guys think? 6000k or 4300k stock?
thanks for the input guys!
i saw an audi a4(or a6 maybe) and he had one of the freaken brightest HID's i've seen. it made my stock look yellow.
i figure it was a combination of the projector headlamps and maybe 6000k burners. dunno. however, i sent an email to autolamps yesterday and got this response..."Please note though, the 4100K is the one used in all OE applications and gives approx 20% more light than the 6000K." what do you guys think? 6000k or 4300k stock?
thanks for the input guys!
Dixit
01-18-2002, 01:24 PM
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Do the maxima's use the same HID's as the my I30? if so i was wondering if you guys thought the output on ur lights are a bit.. uhm under powered... My Gf's max has almost the same viewable spectrum and she's only got Halogens... I have slightly more and it's the nice blue, plus i had Infiniti re-aim my headlights, so i dunno... Just wonderin
01-18-2002, 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by p010sp0rt8
Do the maxima's use the same HID's as the my I30? if so i was wondering if you guys thought the output on ur lights are a bit.. uhm under powered... My Gf's max has almost the same viewable spectrum and she's only got Halogens... I have slightly more and it's the nice blue, plus i had Infiniti re-aim my headlights, so i dunno... Just wonderin
Do the maxima's use the same HID's as the my I30? if so i was wondering if you guys thought the output on ur lights are a bit.. uhm under powered... My Gf's max has almost the same viewable spectrum and she's only got Halogens... I have slightly more and it's the nice blue, plus i had Infiniti re-aim my headlights, so i dunno... Just wonderin
01-18-2002, 03:42 PM
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Originally posted by BigDogJonx
eBay been seeing alot of them listed there.
eBay been seeing alot of them listed there.
01-18-2002, 07:46 PM
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Originally posted by yo_its_ok
I agree, but the problem is 7200K Burners are used for off-road use only in Europe, and while my parents were there, they got a set for me to play with, and they are different from the Philips 6000K burner.
Another thing I found out playing with my 2K2's HIDs, the Philips 6000K burner NEEDS A SOLID STATE STARTER. It just can't hold its color like it did w/ a Solid State Starter. The 7200K was the worst, needed to buy an entire system designed around the 7200K. I tried to get Capsules so I could use an injection molding machine to make a retrofit kit like the Panasonics, but I haven't gotten word yet about them. I will be stocking up w/ Aqua Blue Capsules for D2 burners and H4 HID Conversion kits. 9004's found on 89-99 Maximas, the HIDs cause too much headache for me, and I don't want to deal with it.
I'll have more pics in a few days. I'm still trying to get the best performance from each burner.
Note: NOT ALL 6000K HID kits will give more light output.
K = Kelvin = Color Scale, Lumen = Actual light output, so please be on guard when someone is pitching an HID kit to you.
I agree, but the problem is 7200K Burners are used for off-road use only in Europe, and while my parents were there, they got a set for me to play with, and they are different from the Philips 6000K burner.
Another thing I found out playing with my 2K2's HIDs, the Philips 6000K burner NEEDS A SOLID STATE STARTER. It just can't hold its color like it did w/ a Solid State Starter. The 7200K was the worst, needed to buy an entire system designed around the 7200K. I tried to get Capsules so I could use an injection molding machine to make a retrofit kit like the Panasonics, but I haven't gotten word yet about them. I will be stocking up w/ Aqua Blue Capsules for D2 burners and H4 HID Conversion kits. 9004's found on 89-99 Maximas, the HIDs cause too much headache for me, and I don't want to deal with it.
I'll have more pics in a few days. I'm still trying to get the best performance from each burner.
Note: NOT ALL 6000K HID kits will give more light output.
K = Kelvin = Color Scale, Lumen = Actual light output, so please be on guard when someone is pitching an HID kit to you.
Does that mean upgrading our 2k2 hids are not worth it without the solid state starter?
Dixit
01-18-2002, 09:58 PM
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Ok, so 6000k has higher color scale, not necessarily more lights.
I will keep the stock lights, but might replace the high beam. We have daytime running lights in Canada so would that be the same bulb as the high beam? Might do the fog lights too provide the aftermarket bulb doesn't burn out after couple months.
I will keep the stock lights, but might replace the high beam. We have daytime running lights in Canada so would that be the same bulb as the high beam? Might do the fog lights too provide the aftermarket bulb doesn't burn out after couple months.
01-18-2002, 10:04 PM
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Originally posted by bigbadboss101
Ok, so 6000k has higher color scale, not necessarily more lights.
I will keep the stock lights, but might replace the high beam. We have daytime running lights in Canada so would that be the same bulb as the high beam? Might do the fog lights too provide the aftermarket bulb doesn't burn out after couple months.
Ok, so 6000k has higher color scale, not necessarily more lights.
I will keep the stock lights, but might replace the high beam. We have daytime running lights in Canada so would that be the same bulb as the high beam? Might do the fog lights too provide the aftermarket bulb doesn't burn out after couple months.
Plus most cars run the daytime running lamps at 50% power of the full high beam. Cant really install HIDs there. Secondly dont install Superwhites, cause they dont do jack since they will only be ran at 50% power, and will burn out quicker.
Fogs, you can put HIDs there, just some work required in retrofitting it.
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01-18-2002, 10:13 PM
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Originally posted by BigDogJonx
Huh? Are you talking about installing HIDs in the HIGH BEAMS?? Not recommended. Cause they already aimed to high, you will blind people.
Plus most cars run the daytime running lamps at 50% power of the full high beam. Cant really install HIDs there. Secondly dont install Superwhites, cause they dont do jack since they will only be ran at 50% power, and will burn out quicker.
Fogs, you can put HIDs there, just some work required in retrofitting it.
Dixit
Huh? Are you talking about installing HIDs in the HIGH BEAMS?? Not recommended. Cause they already aimed to high, you will blind people.
Plus most cars run the daytime running lamps at 50% power of the full high beam. Cant really install HIDs there. Secondly dont install Superwhites, cause they dont do jack since they will only be ran at 50% power, and will burn out quicker.
Fogs, you can put HIDs there, just some work required in retrofitting it.
Dixit
01-18-2002, 10:56 PM
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Yeh, but I'm wondering where the heck he went
, he is the only one who seems to be knowledgeable on HID bulbs and I need to get more info on what he said about the Phillips 6000k bulbs needing a solid state starter. I mean I don’t really care if it doesn’t put out more light as long as it is bluer; but if is not more blue than OEM bulbs I'll have nothing to do with it
, he is the only one who seems to be knowledgeable on HID bulbs and I need to get more info on what he said about the Phillips 6000k bulbs needing a solid state starter. I mean I don’t really care if it doesn’t put out more light as long as it is bluer; but if is not more blue than OEM bulbs I'll have nothing to do with it
01-19-2002, 08:55 AM
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4200k(aqua blue) vs 6000k vs 7200k
Gee thanks a bucnh for the info
So how much would a 4200k retrofit kit cost with aqua blue versus the 6000k with a solid-state starter? I wonder if the solid-state starter on the 6000k looks better color wise (maybe because it shines without a capsule) than a 4200k with capsules. In case I go insane with anxiety is there anyway to get a hold of the 7200k with the whole system (would it be any more difficult to install than a 4200k or 6000k?)
P.S. sorry for all the questions but it is rare to find info you can trust
So how much would a 4200k retrofit kit cost with aqua blue versus the 6000k with a solid-state starter? I wonder if the solid-state starter on the 6000k looks better color wise (maybe because it shines without a capsule) than a 4200k with capsules. In case I go insane with anxiety is there anyway to get a hold of the 7200k with the whole system (would it be any more difficult to install than a 4200k or 6000k?)
P.S. sorry for all the questions but it is rare to find info you can trust
01-19-2002, 12:10 PM
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Re: Re: 4200k(aqua blue) vs 6000k vs 7200k
Originally posted by yo_its_ok
capsules are $100/pr. The 6000K will be $250/pr. + $150 for the solid state starters. The 6000K will obviously outperform the aqua blue capsules. The 7200K will take at least 3 weeks to obtain and cost a sh*t load of money, and honestly I don't think its worth spending so much on HIDs.
capsules are $100/pr. The 6000K will be $250/pr. + $150 for the solid state starters. The 6000K will obviously outperform the aqua blue capsules. The 7200K will take at least 3 weeks to obtain and cost a sh*t load of money, and honestly I don't think its worth spending so much on HIDs.
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01-20-2002, 05:24 AM
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HANABI 6000K Road Trip
I just got back from Vermont and most of my driving was at night. I got the Hanabi 6000K HID's and installed them last week. I was BY FAR the brightest car on the road. These HIDs make every other car on the road look like there battery and charging system is about to die. DIM Yellow. I even had some people turn there headlights on and off to check and see if there's were actually on. These HIDs over power every other headlight out there. BWM, Lexus, Merc. couldn't even come close to the brilliant light that these babies put out. It's dark up on some back roads in VT but let me tell you I have daylight in front of my car. The Hanabi kit is excellent.
01-20-2002, 12:05 PM
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Re: Re: HANABI 6000K Road Trip
Originally posted by yo_its_ok
When you do a retrofit kit like Hanabi, there is almost no control on the pattern and you get scattered light in your line of sight when it rains or snows.
When you do a retrofit kit like Hanabi, there is almost no control on the pattern and you get scattered light in your line of sight when it rains or snows.
01-20-2002, 01:51 PM
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Re: Re: Re: HANABI 6000K Road Trip
Originally posted by KP117
So which kits come calibrated to control the beam pattern in halogen housings? And please tell me what the pr in $150/pr maens(does it satnd for price?)
So which kits come calibrated to control the beam pattern in halogen housings? And please tell me what the pr in $150/pr maens(does it satnd for price?)
01-20-2002, 08:20 PM
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Is Hanabi the same as HANA? Or are they two different companies?
I have HANA hids, and they are far brighter than Nissan hids. I approximated the beam projection on the road, and it is really close to the standard halogen bulb projection. And I actually marked off the hot spot on the wall (about 4ft in front of the car) and the hid hot spot matches it nearly exact.
As for the color, they say 6000k, it seems a really purple. The whole color argument really has me confused, with people relating hid light to daylight, and making it easier to drive at night.
I seem to recall learning in physics class, that the reason incandescent bulbs are still used in home lighting (as opposed to much cheaper flourescent light) is that the yellowish tint from incandescent bulbs is much easier on the eyes, because it is closer to the color of sunlight.
I am no expert, but I believe we have a yellow sun...
I have HANA hids, and they are far brighter than Nissan hids. I approximated the beam projection on the road, and it is really close to the standard halogen bulb projection. And I actually marked off the hot spot on the wall (about 4ft in front of the car) and the hid hot spot matches it nearly exact.
As for the color, they say 6000k, it seems a really purple. The whole color argument really has me confused, with people relating hid light to daylight, and making it easier to drive at night.
I seem to recall learning in physics class, that the reason incandescent bulbs are still used in home lighting (as opposed to much cheaper flourescent light) is that the yellowish tint from incandescent bulbs is much easier on the eyes, because it is closer to the color of sunlight.
I am no expert, but I believe we have a yellow sun...
01-21-2002, 04:41 AM
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Originally posted by JimmyH
I seem to recall learning in physics class, that the reason incandescent bulbs are still used in home lighting (as opposed to much cheaper flourescent light) is that the yellowish tint from incandescent bulbs is much easier on the eyes, because it is closer to the color of sunlight.
I am no expert, but I believe we have a yellow sun...
I seem to recall learning in physics class, that the reason incandescent bulbs are still used in home lighting (as opposed to much cheaper flourescent light) is that the yellowish tint from incandescent bulbs is much easier on the eyes, because it is closer to the color of sunlight.
I am no expert, but I believe we have a yellow sun...
Dixit
01-21-2002, 09:44 AM
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Originally posted by BigDogJonx
The incandecent bulb is NO WAY near sunlight and is NOT easier on the eyes. The florescent bulbs are much easier on the eyes.
Dixit
The incandecent bulb is NO WAY near sunlight and is NOT easier on the eyes. The florescent bulbs are much easier on the eyes.
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01-21-2002, 10:28 AM
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k...just went around asking about upgrading to 6000k burners... some say that using these bulbs actually decreases visibility on the road compared to 4300k ones when using a D2R system (reflective lens - i believe the maxima is this type). however, if your headlights are of a D2S (like BMW, Audi, etc), you will benefit more due to the concentrated beam.
i don't have the funds to test out these statements myself. but, if anyone are fortunate enough, please let me know. if the above was true, there's really no way to generate more light from the 2k2 stock HID's without buying a new housing.
let me know
i don't have the funds to test out these statements myself. but, if anyone are fortunate enough, please let me know. if the above was true, there's really no way to generate more light from the 2k2 stock HID's without buying a new housing.
let me know
01-21-2002, 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by maxkillz74
there's really no way to generate more light from the 2k2 stock HID's without buying a new housing.
let me know
there's really no way to generate more light from the 2k2 stock HID's without buying a new housing.
let me know
01-21-2002, 10:49 AM
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yeah, i know what you mean. bright, blue lights racing up to you at 130mph...
i'm aware of the light output is dependant on the manufacturer. but, on average it is dimmer... :
i'm aware of the light output is dependant on the manufacturer. but, on average it is dimmer...
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Originally posted by KP117
People like myself don’t really car about light output but want to upgrade to 6000k because of the blue color that is not found in 4300k
People like myself don’t really car about light output but want to upgrade to 6000k because of the blue color that is not found in 4300k
01-22-2002, 06:08 AM
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Originally posted by yo_its_ok
Am I being ignored or what ?
Am I being ignored or what ?
I got a question for you, I am seriously thinking of just selling my OEM 2k2 Hids bulbs and ballast and what not. Then buy a 6000k system. Which one you recommend that is a good price? I am more concerned with Lumens being the highest for the 6000k brand. I want the brightest but also not the most expensive ones.
Let me know if this is a good idea or not. Otherwise maybe I will have to just buy the 6000k burners along with a starter.
Dixit
01-22-2002, 06:56 AM
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Originally posted by yo_its_ok
I honestly think you should keep the Ichikoh HIDs in your car, and just buy the 6000K D2R or D2S burner w/ starter. It'll be a lot easier to wire up since your ballast is ok. If you want you can always get the Plasma capsules that I've been testing out. I'll probably have time today to meet up with Calvin and get some shots. I've been having insane tranny woes since my 5spd swap.
-Peace
I honestly think you should keep the Ichikoh HIDs in your car, and just buy the 6000K D2R or D2S burner w/ starter. It'll be a lot easier to wire up since your ballast is ok. If you want you can always get the Plasma capsules that I've been testing out. I'll probably have time today to meet up with Calvin and get some shots. I've been having insane tranny woes since my 5spd swap.
-Peace
Well, I was just looking at it in the sense that if I get the burners with the starter it is going to be like $400+. I been seeing 6000k Kits sell here on eBay, the Hanabi one for around there. I know that is not the best of kits, but if I popped in another $200, Im sure I can get a better kit
Dixit
01-23-2002, 10:11 AM
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Glare?
Originally posted by yo_its_ok
I had fun taunting Hanabi owners w/ 7200K Philips system w/o beam control. Talk about glare.
I had fun taunting Hanabi owners w/ 7200K Philips system w/o beam control. Talk about glare.
You take about glare what does it exactly look like? Is it an effect from the reflection on objects what makes it so bad?
01-26-2002, 01:11 AM
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Originally posted by yo_its_ok
Depends on what you have, its just cost thats the problem, since I'm being emailed, about negotiating a price.
2K2: Philips 6000K D2R + Starter: $280/pr. (6000K Upgrade.)
2K2: Philips 7200K D2S Raw System:$850/pr. (The Ultimate System.)
2K2: IPF HID D2 Plasma Capsule: $100/pr. (5500K.)
2K: H4 Vision Kits: K2 6000K: $150/pr. (6000K upgrade.)
Philips and K2 Upgrade will provide more lumens, the plasma capsules will affect light slightly, but it's a deep purple at start up, and turns blue at full warm up.
Get pictures tonite at mini meet out in NYC/LI Today.
Depends on what you have, its just cost thats the problem, since I'm being emailed, about negotiating a price.
2K2: Philips 6000K D2R + Starter: $280/pr. (6000K Upgrade.)
2K2: Philips 7200K D2S Raw System:$850/pr. (The Ultimate System.)
2K2: IPF HID D2 Plasma Capsule: $100/pr. (5500K.)
2K: H4 Vision Kits: K2 6000K: $150/pr. (6000K upgrade.)
Philips and K2 Upgrade will provide more lumens, the plasma capsules will affect light slightly, but it's a deep purple at start up, and turns blue at full warm up.
Get pictures tonite at mini meet out in NYC/LI Today.
Dixit
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