17" OE WHeel Owners please reply
01-21-2002, 09:31 PM
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17" OE WHeel Owners please reply
OK quick explanation and quick question...
I am looking into new rims and tires 17*7 45offset, etc....
This guy on the phone told me i needed these"hub rings" or "ring" type thing... i have no clue...said it prevents vibration of some sort.
I want to know if the stock SE (with the 17s) has those "rings".. i dont want to buy anything i dont need.
I wouldnt know because i have a GLE(with 16s)...
THanks for the info
Roger
I am looking into new rims and tires 17*7 45offset, etc....
This guy on the phone told me i needed these"hub rings" or "ring" type thing... i have no clue...said it prevents vibration of some sort.
I want to know if the stock SE (with the 17s) has those "rings".. i dont want to buy anything i dont need.
I wouldnt know because i have a GLE(with 16s)...
THanks for the info
Roger
01-21-2002, 11:09 PM
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Alright Roger listen to me on this, the guy is full of BS. Cause this one shop told me the same thing. The Hub ring is this little ring that goes in the center of the Hub on the rotor. They are supposed to keep the wheels perfectly in the center of the hub, which means so the lug nuts are all centered perfectly before tightening. Most of the people seem to believe it is needed to have a perfect balance, but that is a load of crap cause that ring dont do a damnn thing while balancing.
I mean the main key to the ring is that it centers the lugs so when the shop begins to tighten the lugs with a impact wrench, they are all centered and the wheel is ready to go, the other way without a ring, when the wheel is on the hub, it is resting lower, so the lugs are not centered. Now when a shop begins to tighten the bolts with a impact wrench, you can get into a situation that the bolt may remain tightened off-center. But the chances of that are always 0.9% because most bolts are tapered and it automatically centers the bolt in the center of the lugs. Secondly make sure you tell a shop NOT to use an impact wrench since you got nice wheels, they should be Hand torqing it anyways.
My wheels dont have them, and let me tell you, i been upto 125mph, and there is not one bit of shaking.
Dixit
I mean the main key to the ring is that it centers the lugs so when the shop begins to tighten the lugs with a impact wrench, they are all centered and the wheel is ready to go, the other way without a ring, when the wheel is on the hub, it is resting lower, so the lugs are not centered. Now when a shop begins to tighten the bolts with a impact wrench, you can get into a situation that the bolt may remain tightened off-center. But the chances of that are always 0.9% because most bolts are tapered and it automatically centers the bolt in the center of the lugs. Secondly make sure you tell a shop NOT to use an impact wrench since you got nice wheels, they should be Hand torqing it anyways.
My wheels dont have them, and let me tell you, i been upto 125mph, and there is not one bit of shaking.
Dixit
01-21-2002, 11:19 PM
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Originally posted by BigDogJonx
Alright Roger listen to me on this, the guy is full of BS. Cause this one shop told me the same thing. The Hub ring is this little ring that goes in the center of the Hub on the rotor. They are supposed to keep the wheels perfectly in the center of the hub, which means so the lug nuts are all centered perfectly before tightening. Most of the people seem to believe it is needed to have a perfect balance, but that is a load of crap cause that ring dont do a damnn thing while balancing.
I mean the main key to the ring is that it centers the lugs so when the shop begins to tighten the lugs with a impact wrench, they are all centered and the wheel is ready to go, the other way without a ring, when the wheel is on the hub, it is resting lower, so the lugs are not centered. Now when a shop begins to tighten the bolts with a impact wrench, you can get into a situation that the bolt may remain tightened off-center. But the chances of that are always 0.9% because most bolts are tapered and it automatically centers the bolt in the center of the lugs. Secondly make sure you tell a shop NOT to use an impact wrench since you got nice wheels, they should be Hand torqing it anyways.
My wheels dont have them, and let me tell you, i been upto 125mph, and there is not one bit of shaking.
Dixit
Alright Roger listen to me on this, the guy is full of BS. Cause this one shop told me the same thing. The Hub ring is this little ring that goes in the center of the Hub on the rotor. They are supposed to keep the wheels perfectly in the center of the hub, which means so the lug nuts are all centered perfectly before tightening. Most of the people seem to believe it is needed to have a perfect balance, but that is a load of crap cause that ring dont do a damnn thing while balancing.
I mean the main key to the ring is that it centers the lugs so when the shop begins to tighten the lugs with a impact wrench, they are all centered and the wheel is ready to go, the other way without a ring, when the wheel is on the hub, it is resting lower, so the lugs are not centered. Now when a shop begins to tighten the bolts with a impact wrench, you can get into a situation that the bolt may remain tightened off-center. But the chances of that are always 0.9% because most bolts are tapered and it automatically centers the bolt in the center of the lugs. Secondly make sure you tell a shop NOT to use an impact wrench since you got nice wheels, they should be Hand torqing it anyways.
My wheels dont have them, and let me tell you, i been upto 125mph, and there is not one bit of shaking.
Dixit
01-22-2002, 06:57 AM
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Originally posted by jhans114
Listen to BigDog, I have 18X8 and no shaking here....Save your cash and get some other usefull mods. And if anything, suppose your wheels do shake(they wont) you could add that later. Good Luck
Listen to BigDog, I have 18X8 and no shaking here....Save your cash and get some other usefull mods. And if anything, suppose your wheels do shake(they wont) you could add that later. Good Luck
I agree that the lug nuts should center the hub since they are tappered....but if the wheel is off by just a fraction of a inch you will be able to feel it!
01-22-2002, 08:26 AM
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they should come with the rims you buy. the stock wheels won't have them because they are made to fit our cars hub only. when a wheel manufacturer makes wheels for numerous car lines they create a hub opening for the largest car, then give a metal ring that slips inside the wheel to make it fit correctly on your car. they shouldn't be extra and if they are, not much extra.
01-22-2002, 12:18 PM
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Originally posted by xtantmaxima
they should come with the rims you buy. the stock wheels won't have them because they are made to fit our cars hub only. when a wheel manufacturer makes wheels for numerous car lines they create a hub opening for the largest car, then give a metal ring that slips inside the wheel to make it fit correctly on your car. they shouldn't be extra and if they are, not much extra.
they should come with the rims you buy. the stock wheels won't have them because they are made to fit our cars hub only. when a wheel manufacturer makes wheels for numerous car lines they create a hub opening for the largest car, then give a metal ring that slips inside the wheel to make it fit correctly on your car. they shouldn't be extra and if they are, not much extra.
01-22-2002, 12:36 PM
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If the rims come with the centering rings - use them. Many of the newer rims look nice, but are hard to dynamically balance. Even though the rim/tire is statically balanced to the best of the shop's abilities if it is not perfectly centered on the hub it may still cause a vibration (usually at 70km/h and higher).
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