People who have energy suspension crossmember....
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People who have energy suspension crossmember....
People who have energy suspension crossmember bushings i have a question for you.
This is the first time i have installed these bushings. But there is a huge gap as seen in the picture. Is this what you have had happen?
I have tightened the factory bolts to the point where the bushings are spreading. And there is still a massive gap. It's so bad that ,it causes the engine to be much closer to the firewall,than it should be.
I am going to order the stock ones,to see the difference.
This is the first time i have installed these bushings. But there is a huge gap as seen in the picture. Is this what you have had happen?
I have tightened the factory bolts to the point where the bushings are spreading. And there is still a massive gap. It's so bad that ,it causes the engine to be much closer to the firewall,than it should be.
I am going to order the stock ones,to see the difference.
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People who have energy suspension crossmember bushings i have a question for you.
This is the first time i have installed these bushings. But there is a huge gap as seen in the picture. Is this what you have had happen?
I have tightened the factory bolts to the point where the bushings are spreading. And there is still a massive gap. It's so bad that ,it causes the engine to be much closer to the firewall,than it should be.
I am going to order the stock ones,to see the difference.
This is the first time i have installed these bushings. But there is a huge gap as seen in the picture. Is this what you have had happen?
I have tightened the factory bolts to the point where the bushings are spreading. And there is still a massive gap. It's so bad that ,it causes the engine to be much closer to the firewall,than it should be.
I am going to order the stock ones,to see the difference.
#6
I put a set on my 98 maybe 10 years ago. I replaced the radiator support in '12 and don't remember any issues. I'll be tearing that car apart soon so I can see if they held up all these years.
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problem i am having is the mount is 1/8 away from hitting stuff near steering rack,firewall ect. The rear bushings are closer to the body. front is lower . So at that point it is pulling the front of the crossmember down. It is changing the angle of the engine and trans where they sit.
#9
Do not use those garbage ES crossmember bushing. Mine only last for two years. I replaced it with genuine OEM bushing , I felt a big difference because the engine is more stable and pull harder. The reason is you need to torque those 17 mm front and rear bolt between 77fl-lb to 98 ftlbs. I set mine to 86 ft lbs. ES bushing will squeeze out like a marsmallow if you tighten the bolt for proper torque.
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Do not use those garbage ES crossmember bushing. Mine only last for two years. I replaced it with genuine OEM bushing , I felt a big difference because the engine is more stable and pull harder. The reason is you need to torque those 17 mm front and rear bolt between 77fl-lb to 98 ftlbs. I set mine to 86 ft lbs. ES bushing will squeeze out like a marsmallow if you tighten the bolt for proper torque.
Wish i knew before i bought.
The stock ones just came in about $40 shipped from quirk parts on ebay.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/ONE-OEM-NEW...72.m2749.l2649
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1994-2014-N...72.m2749.l2649
Last edited by krismax; 04-12-2018 at 01:11 PM.
#12
Im using self cut washers (cut like a c so i didnt need to remove the main subframe or the control arms) and it helped alot. my first pair failed because i warped them cutting them. i did it perfect the second time and now no flex or wheel hop.
#13
I have just about every rubber piece ES makes under my car EXCEPT the cross member bushings. I could never get them to seat without squeezing out. I really like ES parts but these are crap. Stock is best for this part.
#14
intersting !! and motivating... is it more harsh though? i mean there has to be something, going from bushings to metal on metal.
#15
This part should have been metal to metal in the first place. i have all 4 of my mounts solid and i barely feel the engine vibe at 237k. when going to solid washers it will send the load shock to the mounts and not the subframe, there are 2 diffrent subframes, one that holds the left and right suspension, and the one that supports the engine/trans. the suspension one is using my c washers and the engine one has stacked regular washers, i will upload pictures soon. im a manual trans btw, auto will have more vibes by nature.
#16
https://maxima.org/forums/5th-generation-maxima-2000-200l
https://maxima.org/forums/5th-generation-maxima-2000-2003/631024-4-wheelhop-washer-mod.html
Last edited by MadMax SE; 04-13-2018 at 01:51 PM.
#17
that gap should be there since there is a back half to the bushing, it sure has heck doesn't have a hole to go in to and is to think to squish flat.
is madmaxse the only one to go solid on that sub frame piece. i'm guessing the there is enough flex in the rest of the mounts and car to loose that... ...what 3/16ths - 8th inch bap?
is madmaxse the only one to go solid on that sub frame piece. i'm guessing the there is enough flex in the rest of the mounts and car to loose that... ...what 3/16ths - 8th inch bap?
#18
This part should have been metal to metal in the first place. i have all 4 of my mounts solid and i barely feel the engine vibe at 237k. when going to solid washers it will send the load shock to the mounts and not the subframe, there are 2 diffrent subframes, one that holds the left and right suspension, and the one that supports the engine/trans. the suspension one is using my c washers and the engine one has stacked regular washers, i will upload pictures soon. im a manual trans btw, auto will have more vibes by nature.
Also no where near as harsh as having a bad bushing, it helps with that jerk when you tap the gas. i personly love the response and is my favorite/cheapest mod
https://maxima.org/forums/5th-genera...xima-2000-200l
https://maxima.org/forums/5th-genera...asher-mod.html
https://maxima.org/forums/5th-genera...xima-2000-200l
https://maxima.org/forums/5th-genera...asher-mod.html
that gap should be there since there is a back half to the bushing, it sure has heck doesn't have a hole to go in to and is to think to squish flat.
is madmaxse the only one to go solid on that sub frame piece. i'm guessing the there is enough flex in the rest of the mounts and car to loose that... ...what 3/16ths - 8th inch bap?
is madmaxse the only one to go solid on that sub frame piece. i'm guessing the there is enough flex in the rest of the mounts and car to loose that... ...what 3/16ths - 8th inch bap?
#19
that gap should be there since there is a back half to the bushing, it sure has heck doesn't have a hole to go in to and is to think to squish flat.
is madmaxse the only one to go solid on that sub frame piece. i'm guessing the there is enough flex in the rest of the mounts and car to loose that... ...what 3/16ths - 8th inch bap?
is madmaxse the only one to go solid on that sub frame piece. i'm guessing the there is enough flex in the rest of the mounts and car to loose that... ...what 3/16ths - 8th inch bap?
#20
I would just get some metal washers and call it a day lol
I had these on my old car for a few years. Not sure if he still sells them.
http://www.allsentra.com/viewtopic.php?t=2647
I had these on my old car for a few years. Not sure if he still sells them.
http://www.allsentra.com/viewtopic.php?t=2647
#21
Energy suspension bushings are polyurethane, not standard rubber. A much harder, permanent fix. They won't swell distort and break down like regular rubber. So its possible there will be a larger gap because it won't squash. How hard were they to get on?
#22
Do not use those garbage ES crossmember bushing. Mine only last for two years. I replaced it with genuine OEM bushing , I felt a big difference because the engine is more stable and pull harder. The reason is you need to torque those 17 mm front and rear bolt between 77fl-lb to 98 ftlbs. I set mine to 86 ft lbs. ES bushing will squeeze out like a marsmallow if you tighten the bolt for proper torque.
#23
were not saying energy suspension isnt good, its just that for this specific part and the purpose of the part, solid is better, leave the bushing movement to the motor mounts.
#25
these are trash. the front pieces at the bottom get over squished and seep through the washer and they are an oval type shape to fit obviously but witht the round washer you try and torque to spec and it will keep rotating and squeeze outside of the washer making it hard to torque properly.
i ended up going as tight as i could without it over squeezing it and using loctite on the bolts... also i noticed 0 difference. red lion control arm bushings made a larger difference. gonna replace with oem ones in front
i ended up going as tight as i could without it over squeezing it and using loctite on the bolts... also i noticed 0 difference. red lion control arm bushings made a larger difference. gonna replace with oem ones in front
#27
these are trash. the front pieces at the bottom get over squished and seep through the washer and they are an oval type shape to fit obviously but witht the round washer you try and torque to spec and it will keep rotating and squeeze outside of the washer making it hard to torque properly.
i ended up going as tight as i could without it over squeezing it and using loctite on the bolts... also i noticed 0 difference. red lion control arm bushings made a larger difference. gonna replace with oem ones in front
i ended up going as tight as i could without it over squeezing it and using loctite on the bolts... also i noticed 0 difference. red lion control arm bushings made a larger difference. gonna replace with oem ones in front
#28
Hit up red lion for his nylatron control arm bushings, talk about solid! there next on my list.
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