Need help - Track Results confirm - Power Loss from 5200-redline; UDP not guilty
#1
Need help - Track Results confirm - Power Loss from 5200-redline; UDP not guilty
Beginning about the time I put on the UDP, I noticed a power loss in the upper rpm band. You can see from my dynos - I lost 13 whp after addition of the UDP.
Finally got a chance to test it at the track.
I have previously consistently run sub 15s with crappy 60' times at about 95-96 mph.
Saturday at the track, the best I ran WITH A 2.194 60' time - was 15.06 at 91mph. Pitiful. With a 2.194, I shoulda been at least 14.7. Trap speed shoulda been around 95-96. SO. . .
I TOOK OFF THE UDP on Sunday. Guess what - I still have the same problem. Car feels flat from about 5800-redline. So, something else is the culprit - I think.
Mechanic suggested the fuel filter - but it is in the trunk and supposed to be maint. free.
I previously had a problem with stalling/wanting to stall after hard acceleration followed by clutching and braking. I thought I had fixed it when I took off my intake and cleaned the filter, since it seemed to disappear. But after resetting my ECU last night - its baaack. I'm thinking its related.
So far, the only things I can think of are:
faulty intake runner changeover - see my dyno below - power falls off beginning at intake runner changeover.
fuel filter
the non-nissan gas cap I have
02 Sensor
anyone have any guesses? I'm going to redyno to confirm
Finally got a chance to test it at the track.
I have previously consistently run sub 15s with crappy 60' times at about 95-96 mph.
Saturday at the track, the best I ran WITH A 2.194 60' time - was 15.06 at 91mph. Pitiful. With a 2.194, I shoulda been at least 14.7. Trap speed shoulda been around 95-96. SO. . .
I TOOK OFF THE UDP on Sunday. Guess what - I still have the same problem. Car feels flat from about 5800-redline. So, something else is the culprit - I think.
Mechanic suggested the fuel filter - but it is in the trunk and supposed to be maint. free.
I previously had a problem with stalling/wanting to stall after hard acceleration followed by clutching and braking. I thought I had fixed it when I took off my intake and cleaned the filter, since it seemed to disappear. But after resetting my ECU last night - its baaack. I'm thinking its related.
So far, the only things I can think of are:
faulty intake runner changeover - see my dyno below - power falls off beginning at intake runner changeover.
fuel filter
the non-nissan gas cap I have
02 Sensor
anyone have any guesses? I'm going to redyno to confirm
#5
Originally posted by Y2KevSE
Maybe bad coils?
Is your ECU throwing an error code?
Maybe bad coils?
Is your ECU throwing an error code?
Is there an easy way to read/analyze codes. Does the deal where you stick a paper clip in two holes and read the service engine soon light flashing work with the max?
But, if its coils wouldn't it happen throughout the rpm range rather than just at high rpms.
#6
Originally posted by Max_Gator
Kev - I'm not sure. I'm not getting a check engine light.
Is there an easy way to read/analyze codes. Does the deal where you stick a paper clip in two holes and read the service engine soon light flashing work with the max?
But, if its coils wouldn't it happen throughout the rpm range rather than just at high rpms.
Kev - I'm not sure. I'm not getting a check engine light.
Is there an easy way to read/analyze codes. Does the deal where you stick a paper clip in two holes and read the service engine soon light flashing work with the max?
But, if its coils wouldn't it happen throughout the rpm range rather than just at high rpms.
The flashing thingy won't work on our cars because we don't have that screw to adjust.
I don't know the answer to the your last paragraph. No one has dyno'ed to confirm, but I'm assuming that faulty coils will affect your whole rpm range.
Did you accidentally disconnect a vacuum hose to your intake runners?
#7
Re: Need help - Track Results confirm - Power Loss from 5200-redline; UDP not guilty
Originally posted by Max_Gator
Mechanic suggested the fuel filter - but it is in the trunk and supposed to be maint. free.
Mechanic suggested the fuel filter - but it is in the trunk and supposed to be maint. free.
Thats also the first thing that popped into my head when I started thinking about it yesterday.
When you redynoed last time, did you use the wideband O2? If so, youll have the A/F ratio data which might help determine the cause of this problem.
#8
What about the KNOCK sensor?
I've heard of an overly sensitive knock sensor retarding timing on the top-end. You won't necessarily hear knocking, but it affects performance. A dyno should show this if you don't have it "smoothed" too much.
One CRUDE test is to dump in a bottle of 104+ Octane Booster(Outlaw?) and see if it makes a difference.
You should invest in a scan tool/labtop and you might be able to diagnose it easier.
One CRUDE test is to dump in a bottle of 104+ Octane Booster(Outlaw?) and see if it makes a difference.
You should invest in a scan tool/labtop and you might be able to diagnose it easier.
#11
Re: Re: Need help - Track Results confirm - Power Loss from 5200-redline; UDP not guilty
Originally posted by madmax2k
John-
Thats also the first thing that popped into my head when I started thinking about it yesterday.
When you redynoed last time, did you use the wideband O2? If so, youll have the A/F ratio data which might help determine the cause of this problem.
John-
Thats also the first thing that popped into my head when I started thinking about it yesterday.
When you redynoed last time, did you use the wideband O2? If so, youll have the A/F ratio data which might help determine the cause of this problem.
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/maxgator/airfuel.BMP
#12
One thing you can do is measure your fuel pressure. Since you said the 2k max fuel filter is in the tank and isn't serviceable it would make measuring fuel pressure harder. If you can find a rubber fuel hose that runs into the fuel line then you can hook a gauge that reads the fuel pressure. Other suspects would be the knock sensor and crank/cam angle sensors.
#13
Originally posted by Nismo87SE
One thing you can do is measure your fuel pressure. Since you said the 2k max fuel filter is in the tank and isn't serviceable it would make measuring fuel pressure harder. If you can find a rubber fuel hose that runs into the fuel line then you can hook a gauge that reads the fuel pressure. Other suspects would be the knock sensor and crank/cam angle sensors.
One thing you can do is measure your fuel pressure. Since you said the 2k max fuel filter is in the tank and isn't serviceable it would make measuring fuel pressure harder. If you can find a rubber fuel hose that runs into the fuel line then you can hook a gauge that reads the fuel pressure. Other suspects would be the knock sensor and crank/cam angle sensors.
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