Mharvey500

Hi, I haven't found a post that quite describes my problem, which is not a serious problem but may be leading to one. There are two factors to this: 1) the cold weather is upon us, 2) I have a habit of cranking the engine to short a time because starter makes horrible noise if it is dragged by the flywheel (this is not a problem). So the engine fails to start sometimes because I don't crank it long enough. The second crank takes a while to start, not instantaneous like the first start should be. So now that it is cold, -8C, the second crank is taking maybe 10 seconds and there is tons if smoke from the exhaust. My guess from reading other posts is I need new injectors. Is this a reasonable suggestion?

User1

Pull codes and replace your starter.

Mharvey500

The engine light is not on.

User1

Oh ok then everything is fine. You don't have a problem.

uptownsamcv

I'm guessing -8 degrees would cause fuel not to flow so great.

I couldn't live anywhere that I would have to deal with snow. my car is rust free and I can ride my motorcycle all year round.

Child_uv_KoRn

iTrader: (7)

-8F isn't cold for gas engines and -8C (his temp) isn't cold at all lol

Sounds like the usual cam/crank sensor bull**** to me.

Mharvey500

My guess about the fuel flow in a 21 year old car in cold weather is rubber seals stiffen up in the cold and leak after the first start fails. In particular I think it is one injector because my engine knocked pretty bad on one cylinder like the gas washed away the oil. Love to ride motorcycle but not at my age, tempted many times.

Child_uv_KoRn

iTrader: (7)

Maybe FPR is leaking down. He can test that just by priming the pump a few times before attempting to start. Temp hasn't mattered in my experience.

User1

Which would be either an active or pending code with/without a CEL on the dash but what the hell do we know

Child_uv_KoRn

iTrader: (7)

You would hope, but experience also says it doesn't have to.

User1

They ask, you try to help, and they shut you down. He doesn't have a dash light, therefore he doesn't need to pull codes. Codes that wouldn't necessarily trip a dash light. So whatever. You guys deal with him Lol

Child_uv_KoRn

iTrader: (7)

Are you saying pending codes don't throw lights? HERESY

Oh, I forgot to mention: If starter is grinding, then it's throwing off shavings that will stick to crank sensor. What do you think metal shavings do to a Hall effect sensor?

User1

Good call. Shavings will jam you up man

Mharvey500

I appreciate your help. I will be looking for codes and testing for leaking FPR.

About the starter it's make a screeching sound since new and I was told there is nothing wrong. It happens because there is not lubrication in the shaft that the gear will rotate on before it can retract from the flywheel. That's why my first start attempt often fails because I am in the habit of shortening the crank attempt to get the gear retracted before the engine fires up.

Mharvey500

Not sure if I'm doing this right, but I turned key to on position just before the start position several times to prime the fuel pump. After that it started like a charm so I guess FPR is not leaking down. This is at -12C.
Also no pending codes.