Those GS400's are fast!
02-09-2002, 08:34 PM
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Originally posted by emax95
Whats a HKS "SLD"? The top speed is about the same as a max's.
Whats a HKS "SLD"? The top speed is about the same as a max's.
Though I haven't seen any published top speed numbers on the 2k2 Max, I'm pressuming that Nissan will probably govern the top speed to 140mph or less.
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02-09-2002, 08:42 PM
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Originally posted by BriGuyMax
Maxima going 165 stock
Maxima going 165 stock
The 2000 maxima can do 143 MPH stock, there not governed. The projected top speed of a 6spd max is 155MPH stock, I highly dow't there is a governer and if there is I know how to take care of it(not that I would ever drive that fast)
02-09-2002, 09:04 PM
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Well, at those speeds aerodynamics places a big part. That the GS is shaped like a bullet in the front goes a long way towards reaching top speeds in excess of 160mph.
As for the limiters, the I35 is governed at 127mph and the Altima 3.5SE is governed at 124mph. (ref. C/D 12/01) This is where the SLD may come in handy.
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As for the limiters, the I35 is governed at 127mph and the Altima 3.5SE is governed at 124mph. (ref. C/D 12/01) This is where the SLD may come in handy.
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02-09-2002, 09:12 PM
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Originally posted by F23A4
Well, at those speeds aerodynamics places a big part. That the GS is shaped like a bullet in the front goes a long way towards reaching top speeds in excess of 160mph.
As for the limiters, the I35 is governed at 127mph and the Altima 3.5SE is governed at 124mph. (ref. C/D 12/01) This is where the SLD may come in handy.
f23a4
Well, at those speeds aerodynamics places a big part. That the GS is shaped like a bullet in the front goes a long way towards reaching top speeds in excess of 160mph.
As for the limiters, the I35 is governed at 127mph and the Altima 3.5SE is governed at 124mph. (ref. C/D 12/01) This is where the SLD may come in handy.
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Follow this link for all the talk your stomach can handle on the top speed of a 2002 max. http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....0&pagenumber=2
02-09-2002, 11:32 PM
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The first television commercials advertised the GS400 as "The fastest automatic sedan in the WORLD" This was only for a short time. I think some BMW or something soon came out that was faster. Not sure about how fast the new GS430's are now.
02-09-2002, 11:41 PM
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Originally posted by warrlocked
The first television commercials advertised the GS400 as "The fastest automatic sedan in the WORLD" This was only for a short time. I think some BMW or something soon came out that was faster. Not sure about how fast the new GS430's are now.
The first television commercials advertised the GS400 as "The fastest automatic sedan in the WORLD" This was only for a short time. I think some BMW or something soon came out that was faster. Not sure about how fast the new GS430's are now.
how bout 540i ...a good competition?
02-10-2002, 08:15 AM
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Originally posted by emax95
Whats the CD on a GS400? The maxima is pretty damn stream line at .31 CD. The cars Car & driver say are governed are auto's right?
Whats the CD on a GS400? The maxima is pretty damn stream line at .31 CD. The cars Car & driver say are governed are auto's right?
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02-10-2002, 09:14 AM
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Personally i would take a 540 over a GS any day of the week. The 540 sport will dust the GS or the Max with its optional 6 speed. And we wont even get into handling prowess. The GS cant even be called a true sports sedan because it doesnt even offer a manual. Thats why in ALL comparison tests, the 540 is always #1. You can say all you want about mags favoring BMWs, but in this case they are right.
02-10-2002, 10:29 AM
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Originally posted by maxman2k
Personally i would take a 540 over a GS any day of the week. The 540 sport will dust the GS or the Max with its optional 6 speed. And we wont even get into handling prowess. The GS cant even be called a true sports sedan because it doesnt even offer a manual. Thats why in ALL comparison tests, the 540 is always #1. You can say all you want about mags favoring BMWs, but in this case they are right.
Personally i would take a 540 over a GS any day of the week. The 540 sport will dust the GS or the Max with its optional 6 speed. And we wont even get into handling prowess. The GS cant even be called a true sports sedan because it doesnt even offer a manual. Thats why in ALL comparison tests, the 540 is always #1. You can say all you want about mags favoring BMWs, but in this case they are right.
i know personally.. but i can't tell you..
I don't post here anymore..
02-10-2002, 10:47 AM
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Originally posted by Maximam
Yes! my auto Max hits limiter at 137mph everytime!
Mark
Yes! my auto Max hits limiter at 137mph everytime!
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02-10-2002, 11:25 AM
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Originally posted by emax95
Thats probably becuase of the 16' wheels your car came with. I would be suprised if a auto 2K1 GLE could even get over 135 MPH(drag limeted).
Thats probably becuase of the 16' wheels your car came with. I would be suprised if a auto 2K1 GLE could even get over 135 MPH(drag limeted).
As for 16" tires, yes they have a speed rating of HR stock, hence the speed limiter at 137ish.
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02-10-2002, 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by maxman2k
Personally i would take a 540 over a GS any day of the week. The 540 sport will dust the GS or the Max with its optional 6 speed. And we wont even get into handling prowess. The GS cant even be called a true sports sedan because it doesnt even offer a manual. Thats why in ALL comparison tests, the 540 is always #1. You can say all you want about mags favoring BMWs, but in this case they are right.
Personally i would take a 540 over a GS any day of the week. The 540 sport will dust the GS or the Max with its optional 6 speed. And we wont even get into handling prowess. The GS cant even be called a true sports sedan because it doesnt even offer a manual. Thats why in ALL comparison tests, the 540 is always #1. You can say all you want about mags favoring BMWs, but in this case they are right.
BMW's been doing this performance sedan stuff for decades; they've mastered it!! While the 2k2 Max SE, Acura TL-S and GS400 are incredible performance sedans, they're also at the topend of the performance 'food chain' for their respective model lines. That rocket ship called the 540i, is technically a middle model; where a 400hp M5 version is offered (unfortunately costing $74G).
If was running a 540i 6sp at the track, the only other stock sport sedans I'd be concerned about all come from Germany (S55, E55, M3, M5, S4) not Japan.
just my $.02.
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02-10-2002, 12:43 PM
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Originally posted by maxman2k
Personally i would take a 540 over a GS any day of the week. The 540 sport will dust the GS or the Max with its optional 6 speed. And we wont even get into handling prowess. The GS cant even be called a true sports sedan because it doesnt even offer a manual. Thats why in ALL comparison tests, the 540 is always #1. You can say all you want about mags favoring BMWs, but in this case they are right.
Personally i would take a 540 over a GS any day of the week. The 540 sport will dust the GS or the Max with its optional 6 speed. And we wont even get into handling prowess. The GS cant even be called a true sports sedan because it doesnt even offer a manual. Thats why in ALL comparison tests, the 540 is always #1. You can say all you want about mags favoring BMWs, but in this case they are right.
BTW...an auto 540i will get walked by a GS....I've done it numerous times in my GS.
F23A4 - in your post, you claim that a 540i 6-speed can take a GS from top to bottom....but all you talk about is ACCELERATION numbers....the GS has better braking (stops from 70 as fast as a C5 vette) and the skidpad and slalom numbers are almost identical to the 540's. I don't see how by that duduction a 540i can take a GS from top to bottom....we won't even talk about realibility, price, or ergonomics...
02-10-2002, 01:11 PM
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I know it always comes down to this...
Originally posted by BriGuyMax
F23A4 - in your post, you claim that a 540i 6-speed can take a GS from top to bottom....but all you talk about is ACCELERATION numbers....the GS has better braking (stops from 70 as fast as a C5 vette) and the skidpad and slalom numbers are almost identical to the 540's. I don't see how by that duduction a 540i can take a GS from top to bottom....we won't even talk about realibility, price, or ergonomics...
F23A4 - in your post, you claim that a 540i 6-speed can take a GS from top to bottom....but all you talk about is ACCELERATION numbers....the GS has better braking (stops from 70 as fast as a C5 vette) and the skidpad and slalom numbers are almost identical to the 540's. I don't see how by that duduction a 540i can take a GS from top to bottom....we won't even talk about realibility, price, or ergonomics...
As for ergonomics, German cars have never been known for 'superior' ergonomics but their performance and prestige more than make up for it. (But hey, ergonomics are subjective by definition.) With price, the list price of a 2000 540i w/auto was only $5G more than a GS400. (You see...in this $50G+ category, not too many folks need to be penny pinching. It would be hypocritical.) Design: Like most German cars, BMWs are ageless in design.
Bottomline: Both are great cars but if I'm sporting, I want the 540i 6sp.
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02-10-2002, 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by BriGuyMax
screw the 540i....it's styling is DATED...it's has LESS room than a Max or a GS....and it's hugely OVERPRICED...and it's significatly heavier than both cars. So it comes with a 6-speed...big whoop...if you're buying a mid-sized sport sedan in the first place...chances are you are going to go for the auto....people that want a stick-shift sports sedan will go for the likes of the M3, S4...etc..
BTW...an auto 540i will get walked by a GS....I've done it numerous times in my GS.
F23A4 - in your post, you claim that a 540i 6-speed can take a GS from top to bottom....but all you talk about is ACCELERATION numbers....the GS has better braking (stops from 70 as fast as a C5 vette) and the skidpad and slalom numbers are almost identical to the 540's. I don't see how by that duduction a 540i can take a GS from top to bottom....we won't even talk about realibility, price, or ergonomics...
screw the 540i....it's styling is DATED...it's has LESS room than a Max or a GS....and it's hugely OVERPRICED...and it's significatly heavier than both cars. So it comes with a 6-speed...big whoop...if you're buying a mid-sized sport sedan in the first place...chances are you are going to go for the auto....people that want a stick-shift sports sedan will go for the likes of the M3, S4...etc..
BTW...an auto 540i will get walked by a GS....I've done it numerous times in my GS.
F23A4 - in your post, you claim that a 540i 6-speed can take a GS from top to bottom....but all you talk about is ACCELERATION numbers....the GS has better braking (stops from 70 as fast as a C5 vette) and the skidpad and slalom numbers are almost identical to the 540's. I don't see how by that duduction a 540i can take a GS from top to bottom....we won't even talk about realibility, price, or ergonomics...
02-10-2002, 01:36 PM
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Re: I know it always comes down to this...
Originally posted by F23A4
Normally when we talk performance, the majority of the conversation will default to acceleration and topend. Why? Because that's the biggest barometer by which we (the car enthusiast)measure performance. It's more likely that we'll experience the need for straightline hard acceleration (i.e.: out of a toll plaza) than running curves or doing a slalom on public highways. Thus that 6sp plays a bigger part in that acceleration. That fact that a GS can stop from 60-0 in 208 feet vs. the 540i's 217 feet is not a big enough of difference to make me prefer the GS over a 540i. Thus the reason for my d(e)duction.
As for ergonomics, German cars have never been known for 'superior' ergonomics but their performance and prestige more than make up for it. (But hey, ergonomics are subjective by definition.) With price, the list price of a 2000 540i w/auto was only $5G more than a GS400. (You see...in this $50G+ category, not too many folks need to be penny pinching. It would be hypocritical.) Design: Like most German cars, BMWs are ageless in design.
Bottomline: Both are great cars but if I'm sporting, I want the 540i 6sp.
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Normally when we talk performance, the majority of the conversation will default to acceleration and topend. Why? Because that's the biggest barometer by which we (the car enthusiast)measure performance. It's more likely that we'll experience the need for straightline hard acceleration (i.e.: out of a toll plaza) than running curves or doing a slalom on public highways. Thus that 6sp plays a bigger part in that acceleration. That fact that a GS can stop from 60-0 in 208 feet vs. the 540i's 217 feet is not a big enough of difference to make me prefer the GS over a 540i. Thus the reason for my d(e)duction.
As for ergonomics, German cars have never been known for 'superior' ergonomics but their performance and prestige more than make up for it. (But hey, ergonomics are subjective by definition.) With price, the list price of a 2000 540i w/auto was only $5G more than a GS400. (You see...in this $50G+ category, not too many folks need to be penny pinching. It would be hypocritical.) Design: Like most German cars, BMWs are ageless in design.
Bottomline: Both are great cars but if I'm sporting, I want the 540i 6sp.
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F23A4 - thank you for so RUDELY pointing out my spelling error in my previous post....I'm sorry I don't proof-read every last word in my INTERNET posts before I send them.
maxman2k - ok...have you OWNED a 540i OR a GS400/430?? if yes, then have you run either car against each other....I highly doubt it. Fact is you make an assumption of how a highway run with a GS and a 540iA would turn out with out even having experience with it.
I WILL REPEAT...I have run a GS against NUMEROUS 540i's and they all have been WALKED....now your defn. of walked and my defn. of walked are obviously different. EDGING a car in my book is beating it by a carlengh or less....walking a car is anything more than than....last time I raced a 540 from 40-120...I had appox. 2.5-3 cars on him....now that seems like a little more than edging him out.
02-10-2002, 01:53 PM
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Brian.. you notice my comment above?
too many magazine racers in this thread.. like i said before..
the 540 will not walk a GS high end.. 540IA or 540Sport 6spd..
have of you people here havn't been a race with a 540 and a GS 400.. I just happend to be in 5 of them.. 3 auto's and 2 6spds.. and they all got walked high end.. well we started racing at 70 up to 140 .. walked walked walked
again.. stop commenting on races you havn't been in.. magazines don't mean ****
too many magazine racers in this thread.. like i said before..
the 540 will not walk a GS high end.. 540IA or 540Sport 6spd..
have of you people here havn't been a race with a 540 and a GS 400.. I just happend to be in 5 of them.. 3 auto's and 2 6spds.. and they all got walked high end.. well we started racing at 70 up to 140 .. walked walked walked
again.. stop commenting on races you havn't been in.. magazines don't mean ****
02-10-2002, 01:56 PM
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This is like comparing stem lengths on apples.
Originally posted by BriGuyMax
F23A4 - thank you for so RUDELY pointing out my spelling error in my previous post....I'm sorry I don't proof-read every last word in my INTERNET posts before I send them.
F23A4 - thank you for so RUDELY pointing out my spelling error in my previous post....I'm sorry I don't proof-read every last word in my INTERNET posts before I send them.
As for the walkon, I'd have to conclude that you're probably a better GS driver than the other guy was a 540 driver.
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02-10-2002, 02:10 PM
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Re: This is like comparing stem lengths on apples.
Originally posted by F23A4
My bad. I thought you were slighting me (i.e.: Duhh - duduction) No offense was intended, bro.
As for the walkon, I'd have to conclude that you're probably a better GS driver than the other guy was a 540 driver.
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My bad. I thought you were slighting me (i.e.: Duhh - duduction) No offense was intended, bro.
As for the walkon, I'd have to conclude that you're probably a better GS driver than the other guy was a 540 driver.
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02-10-2002, 04:22 PM
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Re: Re: This is like comparing stem lengths on apples.
GS430 is faster marginally in accelerations tests. A 540I 6-speed will walk a GS430 hard, but it has a manual. You guys gotta take into account that the E39 540i weighs roughly 300 lbs more than the GS and has 10 less hp. As for the 540i being dated I totally agree with that comment. It is due for a redesign I believe next year and will have the new 4.4 liter engine in it making somewhere around 330 hp. Personally, I think that Lexus needs to get its own identity of styling and they will get a lot more respect.
02-10-2002, 04:26 PM
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am i talking to myself or what? or did you not read my posts?
Originally posted by MAX2000JP
GS430 is faster marginally in accelerations tests. A 540I 6-speed will walk a GS430 hard, but it has a manual. You guys gotta take into account that the E39 540i weighs roughly 300 lbs more than the GS and has 10 less hp. As for the 540i being dated I totally agree with that comment. It is due for a redesign I believe next year and will have the new 4.4 liter engine in it making somewhere around 330 hp. Personally, I think that Lexus needs to get its own identity of styling and they will get a lot more respect.
GS430 is faster marginally in accelerations tests. A 540I 6-speed will walk a GS430 hard, but it has a manual. You guys gotta take into account that the E39 540i weighs roughly 300 lbs more than the GS and has 10 less hp. As for the 540i being dated I totally agree with that comment. It is due for a redesign I believe next year and will have the new 4.4 liter engine in it making somewhere around 330 hp. Personally, I think that Lexus needs to get its own identity of styling and they will get a lot more respect.
02-10-2002, 04:30 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: This is like comparing stem lengths on apples.
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am i talking to myself or what? or did you not read my posts?
am i talking to myself or what? or did you not read my posts?
But I didnt remember them and I was too lazy to read.....My bad
02-10-2002, 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by Maximam
It pulls VERY strong to 137mph so I dought it to be drag limited at 135mph. C2MAX can verify that.
As for 16" tires, yes they have a speed rating of HR stock, hence the speed limiter at 137ish.
Mark
It pulls VERY strong to 137mph so I dought it to be drag limited at 135mph. C2MAX can verify that.
As for 16" tires, yes they have a speed rating of HR stock, hence the speed limiter at 137ish.
Mark
02-10-2002, 04:52 PM
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Originally posted by emax95
OEM speedo's are not very accurate in the triple digit #'s. If your car say's it was going 137 in might have only been doing 127 MPH(there usualy fast). A 5spd 2K1 SE max has a top speed of 143 MPH and they put down about 20 more FWHP then you and have better gearing for top speed.
OEM speedo's are not very accurate in the triple digit #'s. If your car say's it was going 137 in might have only been doing 127 MPH(there usualy fast). A 5spd 2K1 SE max has a top speed of 143 MPH and they put down about 20 more FWHP then you and have better gearing for top speed.
02-10-2002, 05:04 PM
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Re: Re: I know it always comes down to this...
Originally posted by BriGuyMax
I'm not going to sit here and argue with you guys.....I'm not saying that my car is better than a 540i simply because I own it....I'm saying that for the price, and reliability and performance..the GS is a MUCH better value, and a 540i will NOT take a GS from top to bottom as you so claimed...$5ks is NOT chump's change. How would know anything about my finances...or someone else's who is buying a $50K car??
F23A4 - thank you for so RUDELY pointing out my spelling error in my previous post....I'm sorry I don't proof-read every last word in my INTERNET posts before I send them.
maxman2k - ok...have you OWNED a 540i OR a GS400/430?? if yes, then have you run either car against each other....I highly doubt it. Fact is you make an assumption of how a highway run with a GS and a 540iA would turn out with out even having experience with it.
I WILL REPEAT...I have run a GS against NUMEROUS 540i's and they all have been WALKED....now your defn. of walked and my defn. of walked are obviously different. EDGING a car in my book is beating it by a carlengh or less....walking a car is anything more than than....last time I raced a 540 from 40-120...I had appox. 2.5-3 cars on him....now that seems like a little more than edging him out.
I'm not going to sit here and argue with you guys.....I'm not saying that my car is better than a 540i simply because I own it....I'm saying that for the price, and reliability and performance..the GS is a MUCH better value, and a 540i will NOT take a GS from top to bottom as you so claimed...$5ks is NOT chump's change. How would know anything about my finances...or someone else's who is buying a $50K car??
F23A4 - thank you for so RUDELY pointing out my spelling error in my previous post....I'm sorry I don't proof-read every last word in my INTERNET posts before I send them.
maxman2k - ok...have you OWNED a 540i OR a GS400/430?? if yes, then have you run either car against each other....I highly doubt it. Fact is you make an assumption of how a highway run with a GS and a 540iA would turn out with out even having experience with it.
I WILL REPEAT...I have run a GS against NUMEROUS 540i's and they all have been WALKED....now your defn. of walked and my defn. of walked are obviously different. EDGING a car in my book is beating it by a carlengh or less....walking a car is anything more than than....last time I raced a 540 from 40-120...I had appox. 2.5-3 cars on him....now that seems like a little more than edging him out.
02-10-2002, 05:13 PM
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Originally posted by maxman2k
You and your assumptions. I actually have a gs400 and a 540 in my family. my dad has a 540 and my mom a gs400. Guess what the car of choice is between the 2? the 540. thats first hand experience. and yes between these 2 cars the 540 is faster, and is a quieter, more refined, reliable car. the lexus has needed the ecu replaced, the front seats have come loose twice, and a heat shield in the engine rattled like a champ almost from the get-go. so do you own a 540 AND a GS400? I HIGHLY DOUBT IT. so take it from someone who has first hand experience with them both, not just a one sided bias, the 540 is just better, sorry. so you can say whatever you want in your reply, you dont have the ability to have comparison like i do, thus i am confident in my assessment.
You and your assumptions. I actually have a gs400 and a 540 in my family. my dad has a 540 and my mom a gs400. Guess what the car of choice is between the 2? the 540. thats first hand experience. and yes between these 2 cars the 540 is faster, and is a quieter, more refined, reliable car. the lexus has needed the ecu replaced, the front seats have come loose twice, and a heat shield in the engine rattled like a champ almost from the get-go. so do you own a 540 AND a GS400? I HIGHLY DOUBT IT. so take it from someone who has first hand experience with them both, not just a one sided bias, the 540 is just better, sorry. so you can say whatever you want in your reply, you dont have the ability to have comparison like i do, thus i am confident in my assessment.
02-10-2002, 05:53 PM
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simple answer.. your mom can't drive worth ****
simple answer.. your mom can't drive worth ****
Although his instructor Russ is faster with a stock NA 5th gen 5spd Maxima Sprint insists that he can beat his brother as well as 2k2 6spd Maximas easily while his rice juice is inactive.
02-10-2002, 06:09 PM
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Re: Re: Re: I know it always comes down to this...
Originally posted by maxman2k
You and your assumptions. I actually have a gs400 and a 540 in my family. my dad has a 540 and my mom a gs400. Guess what the car of choice is between the 2? the 540. thats first hand experience. and yes between these 2 cars the 540 is faster, and is a quieter, more refined, reliable car. the lexus has needed the ecu replaced, the front seats have come loose twice, and a heat shield in the engine rattled like a champ almost from the get-go. so do you own a 540 AND a GS400? I HIGHLY DOUBT IT. so take it from someone who has first hand experience with them both, not just a one sided bias, the 540 is just better, sorry. so you can say whatever you want in your reply, you dont have the ability to have comparison like i do, thus i am confident in my assessment.
You and your assumptions. I actually have a gs400 and a 540 in my family. my dad has a 540 and my mom a gs400. Guess what the car of choice is between the 2? the 540. thats first hand experience. and yes between these 2 cars the 540 is faster, and is a quieter, more refined, reliable car. the lexus has needed the ecu replaced, the front seats have come loose twice, and a heat shield in the engine rattled like a champ almost from the get-go. so do you own a 540 AND a GS400? I HIGHLY DOUBT IT. so take it from someone who has first hand experience with them both, not just a one sided bias, the 540 is just better, sorry. so you can say whatever you want in your reply, you dont have the ability to have comparison like i do, thus i am confident in my assessment.
That's pitiful on a $50G sedan!! Sounds like the GS is making the case for the 540. Like I said, BMW has been in this sports sedan game for decades.
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02-10-2002, 06:28 PM
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<<screw the 540i....it's styling is DATED...it's has LESS room than a Max or a GS....and it's hugely OVERPRICED...and it's significatly heavier than both cars. So it comes with a 6-speed...big whoop...if you're buying a mid-sized sport sedan in the first place...chances are you are going to go for the auto....people that want a stick-shift sports sedan will go for the likes of the M3, S4...etc.. >>
As soon as the 2001 5 Series came out freshly redesigned with angel eyes, crystalized tail lights, body colored moldings, sharper paint finish, that completely killed off any desire I had for a 97+ 540I and I could no longer ever justify the used $30K price tag. Basically they did exactly what Nissan did going from the 95-96 to the 97-99 Maxes. They finally got everything right in other words.
<<BTW...an auto 540i will get walked by a GS....I've done it numerous times in my GS. >>
Yep, 97-00 540iA(uto) does an average 0-60 of 6.4 seconds, (Note, C+D recently got something like a 5.8 for a 2K2 540IA) but based on every other review I have ever seen the 540i 6 speed did a best 0-60 of 5.8 seconds compared to a best of 5.7 for the GS 400. You guys are also forgeting that the GS 400 and 540IA probably have the two best automatic transmissions in the world. I mean look at the 2K2 Maxima, the auto is now what .2 seconds slower in the 1/4 than a 6 spd? and thats on a $25-$30K car compared to a GS400($50K-$55K) and the 540($55K-$60K) which are obviously on a different, much higher level.
To add, having driven the GS400 on numerous occasions, the auto tranny is the best I have ever seen and shifts absolutely seamlessly, I bet if Lexus made a manual, the only people that would beat the auto would be drivers like "TheBlue", "Nealoc" and other seemingly gifted stick drivers who will be able to shift perfectly to compete with that monsterous 5 speed auto.
As soon as the 2001 5 Series came out freshly redesigned with angel eyes, crystalized tail lights, body colored moldings, sharper paint finish, that completely killed off any desire I had for a 97+ 540I and I could no longer ever justify the used $30K price tag. Basically they did exactly what Nissan did going from the 95-96 to the 97-99 Maxes. They finally got everything right in other words.
<<BTW...an auto 540i will get walked by a GS....I've done it numerous times in my GS. >>
Yep, 97-00 540iA(uto) does an average 0-60 of 6.4 seconds, (Note, C+D recently got something like a 5.8 for a 2K2 540IA) but based on every other review I have ever seen the 540i 6 speed did a best 0-60 of 5.8 seconds compared to a best of 5.7 for the GS 400. You guys are also forgeting that the GS 400 and 540IA probably have the two best automatic transmissions in the world. I mean look at the 2K2 Maxima, the auto is now what .2 seconds slower in the 1/4 than a 6 spd? and thats on a $25-$30K car compared to a GS400($50K-$55K) and the 540($55K-$60K) which are obviously on a different, much higher level.
To add, having driven the GS400 on numerous occasions, the auto tranny is the best I have ever seen and shifts absolutely seamlessly, I bet if Lexus made a manual, the only people that would beat the auto would be drivers like "TheBlue", "Nealoc" and other seemingly gifted stick drivers who will be able to shift perfectly to compete with that monsterous 5 speed auto.
02-10-2002, 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by emax95
And heres the proof, Road and track tested a 2000 auto SE maxima and it was drag limeted at 131 MPH! Theres no speed limeter on your car it just runs out of power.
And heres the proof, Road and track tested a 2000 auto SE maxima and it was drag limeted at 131 MPH! Theres no speed limeter on your car it just runs out of power.
02-10-2002, 06:56 PM
#73
Originally posted by SkylineGTR
im gonna have to disagree with the car being drag limited, because im almost 100% sure that there IS a speed limiter. The fastest ive gone is 137mph according to tach, and thats with lower profile tires, 45 instead of 50, and with the error from the tires, that puts me at about 131mph or in that range. I did another top speed run while running a 60shot, and the speedo would not go faster than 137ish, the needle just stops moving. I think some of the heavily modded 5th gen auto guys can agree with me on this, i think kev had a limiter at 131 too until he got it removed.
im gonna have to disagree with the car being drag limited, because im almost 100% sure that there IS a speed limiter. The fastest ive gone is 137mph according to tach, and thats with lower profile tires, 45 instead of 50, and with the error from the tires, that puts me at about 131mph or in that range. I did another top speed run while running a 60shot, and the speedo would not go faster than 137ish, the needle just stops moving. I think some of the heavily modded 5th gen auto guys can agree with me on this, i think kev had a limiter at 131 too until he got it removed.
Next time I go to the damn dyno I am going to push my car above 160MPH just to end this damn debate..
02-11-2002, 05:26 AM
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Originally posted by emax95
Fine maybe the auto 2000-2001's had a damn speed limter, I originaly was not even talking about auto's and I really don't care about them. I am talking about 2K2 6spd maxima's and a GS400.. A auto SE 2K2 maxima does not have a speed limeter(if it does it's above 148MPH), this was allready proven by a member on this board. Next time I go to the damn dyno I am going to push my car above 160MPH just to end this damn debate..
Fine maybe the auto 2000-2001's had a damn speed limter, I originaly was not even talking about auto's and I really don't care about them. I am talking about 2K2 6spd maxima's and a GS400.. A auto SE 2K2 maxima does not have a speed limeter(if it does it's above 148MPH), this was allready proven by a member on this board.
Next time I go to the damn dyno I am going to push my car above 160MPH just to end this damn debate..
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02-11-2002, 07:37 AM
#75
Originally posted by emax95
Fine maybe the auto 2000-2001's had a damn speed limter, I originaly was not even talking about auto's and I really don't care about them. I am talking about 2K2 6spd maxima's and a GS400.. A auto SE 2K2 maxima does not have a speed limeter(if it does it's above 148MPH), this was allready proven by a member on this board. Next time I go to the damn dyno I am going to push my car above 160MPH just to end this damn debate..
Fine maybe the auto 2000-2001's had a damn speed limter, I originaly was not even talking about auto's and I really don't care about them. I am talking about 2K2 6spd maxima's and a GS400.. A auto SE 2K2 maxima does not have a speed limeter(if it does it's above 148MPH), this was allready proven by a member on this board.
Next time I go to the damn dyno I am going to push my car above 160MPH just to end this damn debate..
02-11-2002, 07:59 AM
#76
Re: Re: Re: I know it always comes down to this...
Originally posted by maxman2k
You and your assumptions. I actually have a gs400 and a 540 in my family. my dad has a 540 and my mom a gs400. Guess what the car of choice is between the 2? the 540. thats first hand experience. and yes between these 2 cars the 540 is faster, and is a quieter, more refined, reliable car. the lexus has needed the ecu replaced, the front seats have come loose twice, and a heat shield in the engine rattled like a champ almost from the get-go. so do you own a 540 AND a GS400? I HIGHLY DOUBT IT. so take it from someone who has first hand experience with them both, not just a one sided bias, the 540 is just better, sorry. so you can say whatever you want in your reply, you dont have the ability to have comparison like i do, thus i am confident in my assessment.
You and your assumptions. I actually have a gs400 and a 540 in my family. my dad has a 540 and my mom a gs400. Guess what the car of choice is between the 2? the 540. thats first hand experience. and yes between these 2 cars the 540 is faster, and is a quieter, more refined, reliable car. the lexus has needed the ecu replaced, the front seats have come loose twice, and a heat shield in the engine rattled like a champ almost from the get-go. so do you own a 540 AND a GS400? I HIGHLY DOUBT IT. so take it from someone who has first hand experience with them both, not just a one sided bias, the 540 is just better, sorry. so you can say whatever you want in your reply, you dont have the ability to have comparison like i do, thus i am confident in my assessment.
Less analyze your reasoning...
540 faster?? NOPE sorry....18 less hp...and 200lbs more weight does NOT add up to a faster car.
540 is quieter? That's the funniest thing I've ever heard!!! You obviously have never been inside a GS THE THING IS LIKE A FRIGGEN BANK VAULT...it's SILENT...I can't find the article but when Motor Trend tested these cars they got lower numbers in dB from the GS than the 540i
540 is more refined?? that's debateable...but I'd say they are NEAR the same.
540 is more reliable??
right dude...why don't you go check the stats on the most reliable car manufacturers in the world....Lexus comes out on top....BMW isn't even in the top 5.Go over to www.clublexus.com and tell them that BMWs are more reliable than lexuses...and you'll get laughed out of the building...
Obviously you are full of it....and not even worth arguing with....go by a BMW if you love them so much.
02-11-2002, 08:13 AM
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Having been in both...
I agree with BriGuyMax.
Quality? Overall Lexus reigns. The one YOUR MOM has may just have been a quirky one. The 323 my friend has and the 540i my coworker have are noticably louder and have had a number of items fixed.
By the way, the crack about 'so do you own a 540 AND a GS400' was humorous. Quite frankly, neither do you...Mommy and Daddy own them! Get off your high horse!
Quality? Overall Lexus reigns. The one YOUR MOM has may just have been a quirky one. The 323 my friend has and the 540i my coworker have are noticably louder and have had a number of items fixed.
By the way, the crack about 'so do you own a 540 AND a GS400' was humorous. Quite frankly, neither do you...Mommy and Daddy own them! Get off your high horse!
02-11-2002, 08:51 AM
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Re: Having been in both...
Originally posted by jjs
I agree with BriGuyMax.
Quality? Overall Lexus reigns. The one YOUR MOM has may just have been a quirky one. The 323 my friend has and the 540i my coworker have are noticably louder and have had a number of items fixed.
By the way, the crack about 'so do you own a 540 AND a GS400' was humorous. Quite frankly, neither do you...Mommy and Daddy own them! Get off your high horse!
I agree with BriGuyMax.
Quality? Overall Lexus reigns. The one YOUR MOM has may just have been a quirky one. The 323 my friend has and the 540i my coworker have are noticably louder and have had a number of items fixed.
By the way, the crack about 'so do you own a 540 AND a GS400' was humorous. Quite frankly, neither do you...Mommy and Daddy own them! Get off your high horse!
02-11-2002, 08:57 AM
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Re: Re: Having been in both...
You are the loser, *******. Don't get cocky with statements like yours then get defensive when someone states the fact of the situation. The cars ARE your parent's cars, not yours.
My references were for quality feedback...not like you to gloat about the family garage.
Grow up.
My references were for quality feedback...not like you to gloat about the family garage.
Grow up.
Originally posted by maxman2k
yeah my 59 year old mommy and my 62 year old daddy you frikin loser. I just happen to be 29 years old. you comment on your coworkers and your friends cars, get off your high horse.
yeah my 59 year old mommy and my 62 year old daddy you frikin loser. I just happen to be 29 years old. you comment on your coworkers and your friends cars, get off your high horse.
02-11-2002, 09:02 AM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: I know it always comes down to this...
Originally posted by BriGuyMax
oh...look...all the sudden you have BOTH the cars in question right in your family....what a coincidence! Why didn't you care to mention this BEFORE! Probably becuase you are making it up to try to prove a point that you still come far from proving.
Less analyze your reasoning...
540 faster?? NOPE sorry....18 less hp...and 200lbs more weight does NOT add up to a faster car.
540 is quieter? That's the funniest thing I've ever heard!!! You obviously have never been inside a GS THE THING IS LIKE A FRIGGEN BANK VAULT...it's SILENT...I can't find the article but when Motor Trend tested these cars they got lower numbers in dB from the GS than the 540i
540 is more refined?? that's debateable...but I'd say they are NEAR the same.
540 is more reliable?? right dude...why don't you go check the stats on the most reliable car manufacturers in the world....Lexus comes out on top....BMW isn't even in the top 5.
Go over to www.clublexus.com and tell them that BMWs are more reliable than lexuses...and you'll get laughed out of the building...
Obviously you are full of it....and not even worth arguing with....go by a BMW if you love them so much.
oh...look...all the sudden you have BOTH the cars in question right in your family....what a coincidence! Why didn't you care to mention this BEFORE! Probably becuase you are making it up to try to prove a point that you still come far from proving.
Less analyze your reasoning...
540 faster?? NOPE sorry....18 less hp...and 200lbs more weight does NOT add up to a faster car.
540 is quieter? That's the funniest thing I've ever heard!!! You obviously have never been inside a GS THE THING IS LIKE A FRIGGEN BANK VAULT...it's SILENT...I can't find the article but when Motor Trend tested these cars they got lower numbers in dB from the GS than the 540i
540 is more refined?? that's debateable...but I'd say they are NEAR the same.
540 is more reliable??
right dude...why don't you go check the stats on the most reliable car manufacturers in the world....Lexus comes out on top....BMW isn't even in the top 5.Go over to www.clublexus.com and tell them that BMWs are more reliable than lexuses...and you'll get laughed out of the building...
Obviously you are full of it....and not even worth arguing with....go by a BMW if you love them so much.
ok, you tell me to go to clublexus.com and they will laugh at me. well, why dont you go to bimmer.org and tell them that the GS400 is faster than the 540, they will laugh at you. its a 2 way street.
you obviously know nothing about cars, there is more to racing than HP and weight. to prove that, the q45 weighs about the same as the 540 and gs and has 340 hp and is slower. gearing and the driver among many other variables have a lot to do with it.
my biggest problem with your foolish arguement is that you are saying that your car is the greatest thing since sliced bread, while trashing the 540. you say that mag comparisons are biased, and that you cant trust the numbers, but then you try to use magazines to prove your point. you cant have your cake and eat it too. if you notice, i never trashed the GS. I know its a good car. I like lexus, i bought one. but the 540 has proven to be a notch, even if it is a slight one, above the GS. Im sure your motor trend article said that, because i have never read a comparison where the GS400 beat the 540.