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Old Feb 24, 2002 | 10:57 PM
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beginner to sc, need some guidance

what do i need to prep for it? i'm assuming vb mod with tranny cooler. i've just put in an intake, but i assume that won't be necessary anymore. other than a midpipe, i'm stock. is a y-pipe necessary, or just recommended. this is a daily driver so noise is definitely a concern. yes, i know the sc is going to be loud, but no point in amplifying the sound.
i can't possibly think of anything else that'll give me more power but i recall some threads about turbos in development. any news? worth waiting for?

also, the stillen website sells the kit for 4350. are there any better prices out there?
Old Feb 24, 2002 | 11:42 PM
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Re: beginner to sc, need some guidance

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what do i need to prep for it? i'm assuming vb mod with tranny cooler. i've just put in an intake, but i assume that won't be necessary anymore. other than a midpipe, i'm stock. is a y-pipe necessary, or just recommended. this is a daily driver so noise is definitely a concern. yes, i know the sc is going to be loud, but no point in amplifying the sound.
i can't possibly think of anything else that'll give me more power but i recall some threads about turbos in development. any news? worth waiting for?

also, the stillen website sells the kit for 4350. are there any better prices out there?
Avalon will hook it up for about $3500
Old Feb 25, 2002 | 06:37 AM
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The most important thing to do is the vb (plus cooler). I would recommend 2.5" exhaust piping all the way back.
Old Feb 25, 2002 | 06:49 AM
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Re: beginner to sc, need some guidance

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what do i need to prep for it? i'm assuming vb mod with tranny cooler. i've just put in an intake, but i assume that won't be necessary anymore. other than a midpipe, i'm stock. is a y-pipe necessary, or just recommended. this is a daily driver so noise is definitely a concern. yes, i know the sc is going to be loud, but no point in amplifying the sound.
i can't possibly think of anything else that'll give me more power but i recall some threads about turbos in development. any news? worth waiting for?

also, the stillen website sells the kit for 4350. are there any better prices out there?
Don at Mobiletek.com will soon be offering a VB core swap program for 5th gens. starting in March. So, wait a couple of weeks and you will be able to do a VB swap, W/OUT the week of down time.

If you haven't talked to him yet, tell him Mike sent you.
Old Feb 25, 2002 | 10:10 AM
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thanks guys. is there anything else i'm missing? like a blowoff valve? how bout that y-pipe?
are new belts included with the sc kit or do i need to pick them up on my own? i need to get an idea of the big picture before i pull the trigger on this.

as for the installation, i have a friend with a bunch of tools and compressor who's installed engines and trannies and stuff. is that enough knowledge to install the sc? if not, what are my options for an installation? i don't trust the corner mechanic to do this.
Old Feb 25, 2002 | 10:23 AM
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Originally posted by serin
thanks guys. is there anything else i'm missing? like a blowoff valve? how bout that y-pipe?
are new belts included with the sc kit or do i need to pick them up on my own? i need to get an idea of the big picture before i pull the trigger on this.

as for the installation, i have a friend with a bunch of tools and compressor who's installed engines and trannies and stuff. is that enough knowledge to install the sc? if not, what are my options for an installation? i don't trust the corner mechanic to do this.
The kit will include a recirulation valve (works like a blow-off valve).

Your friend should be able to install the SC without any problems.
Old Feb 25, 2002 | 10:28 AM
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The kit will include a recirulation valve (works like a blow-off valve).

Your friend should be able to install the SC without any problems.
thanks kev.

just read your post on your weekend. good to hear you're engine didn't die with all that oil pouring out.
Old Feb 25, 2002 | 10:30 AM
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Originally posted by serin


thanks kev.

just read your post on your weekend. good to hear you're engine didn't die with all that oil pouring out.
No problem.

Feel free to PM me if you have any questions.

Thanks. I left a 2 mile trail of oil on the freeway and local streets. Oops!
Old Feb 25, 2002 | 11:30 AM
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Old Feb 25, 2002 | 12:02 PM
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No need for anything special to prep a 5-speed? I've already done the y-pipe, but would tend to do the SC before a catback because of the noise increase after the catback from I've heard.

Hmmmm...
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Plan on getting a clutch.
Old Feb 25, 2002 | 12:21 PM
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Originally posted by Y2KevSE
Plan on getting a clutch.
Like replacing it after I kill the first one or replacing it with a higher durability, aftermarket clutch sooner than later?
Old Feb 25, 2002 | 01:44 PM
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Like replacing it after I kill the first one or replacing it with a higher durability, aftermarket clutch sooner than later?
If you got the dough, get it now. And a flywheel and a short shift kit. If you doing a s/c make it work well, don't give it the poop tranny.
Old Feb 25, 2002 | 02:12 PM
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Originally posted by max'n out
If you got the dough, get it now. And a flywheel and a short shift kit. If you doing a s/c make it work well, don't give it the poop tranny.
Thanks, that's the grounding I need. I think I'll work on the list before going SC (if I go at all). I just emailed Greg about the UR Pulley, the Tokico's and H&R's are sitting on the living room floor. I suppose 8" rims to make room for a brake kit and then the clutch and short shifter should all be done before I go SC.

Thanks to you too Kevin.
Old Feb 25, 2002 | 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by Y2KevSE


No problem.

Feel free to PM me if you have any questions.

Thanks. I left a 2 mile trail of oil on the freeway and local streets. Oops!
Old Feb 25, 2002 | 08:21 PM
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SC bracket!!

Originally posted by serin
thanks guys. is there anything else i'm missing? like a blowoff valve? how bout that y-pipe?
are new belts included with the sc kit or do i need to pick them up on my own? i need to get an idea of the big picture before i pull the trigger on this.

as for the installation, i have a friend with a bunch of tools and compressor who's installed engines and trannies and stuff. is that enough knowledge to install the sc? if not, what are my options for an installation? i don't trust the corner mechanic to do this.
Dont forget to shave the FRIGGIN SC bracket if you plan on getting a 3.33 or smaller SC pulley!!

Deac
Old Feb 25, 2002 | 08:45 PM
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At what point do we need to start having an oil cooler, an auxilery fuel pump (other than the one with the kit), a super fmu or something similar, more gauges other than boost (what other gauges should be standard?), BOV, intake coolers (that water spray someone mentioned once, or fmic, etc), that metal (aluminum?) idler pulley when it's finished, am I forgetting to list anything else? I'm sure these things wouldn't really be needed on stock boost, but what about when going to the 3.48" or 3.33" pulley? Thanks!
Old Feb 25, 2002 | 09:06 PM
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Originally posted by Keh mon
At what point do we need to start having an oil cooler, an auxilery fuel pump (other than the one with the kit), a super fmu or something similar, more gauges other than boost (what other gauges should be standard?), BOV, intake coolers (that water spray someone mentioned once, or fmic, etc), that metal (aluminum?) idler pulley when it's finished, am I forgetting to list anything else? I'm sure these things wouldn't really be needed on stock boost, but what about when going to the 3.48" or 3.33" pulley? Thanks!
Oil cooler and trann cooler is always good to have. Keeps things in a good normal operating temp. Extends egine life. Up to about 12 psi you only need to change the fmu. Don't need a super fmu just the 8:1 or maybe at 12psi the 10:1 though 12psi you need new cams, rods, pistons too. More gauges depend on what all you do but, water temp, oil temp, air/ fuel, stuff like that is good to have. The kit comes with a reseculation valve. You can replace it with a bov if you'd like. Intercooler's are not "needed" but some ( me ) like to have them and got them. It's a power adder as well as helps the enigine run cooler. Metel pulleys would be nice if they had um. Since they tend to melt. You don't need much when you only get the 3.33 or less.
Old Feb 25, 2002 | 09:19 PM
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Oil cooler and trann cooler is always good to have. Keeps things in a good normal operating temp. Extends egine life. Up to about 12 psi you only need to change the fmu. Don't need a super fmu just the 8:1 or maybe at 12psi the 10:1 though 12psi you need new cams, rods, pistons too. More gauges depend on what all you do but, water temp, oil temp, air/ fuel, stuff like that is good to have. The kit comes with a reseculation valve. You can replace it with a bov if you'd like. Intercooler's are not "needed" but some ( me ) like to have them and got them. It's a power adder as well as helps the enigine run cooler. Metel pulleys would be nice if they had um. Since they tend to melt. You don't need much when you only get the 3.33 or less.
Thanks for the info. Would things similar to an FMIC also help to extend engine life? I'm assuming so since it cools down the air. What is the reasoning for owners getting the afc if it's not needed? Just to fine tune it to get the most possible out of the engine? When you said "3.33 or less" did you mean 3.33" pulley's or larger size pulley's, or by the "or less" part did you mean amount of boost or size of pulley. Thanks again.
Old Feb 25, 2002 | 09:24 PM
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Thanks for the info. Would things similar to an FMIC also help to extend engine life? I'm assuming so since it cools down the air. What is the reasoning for owners getting the afc if it's not needed? Just to fine tune it to get the most possible out of the engine? When you said "3.33 or less" did you mean 3.33" pulley's or larger size pulley's, or by the "or less" part did you mean amount of boost or size of pulley. Thanks again.
Fmic? I'm not sure what that stands from. You mean a air to water intercooler? Air to water or air to air is good and nice, though not nessacary. Help yes, to a point, but having a forced induction engine it's not gonna have a real long life anyway.

Apexi s-afc is a piggy back ecu controller and it does like you said fine tune the fuel curve for more power, plus really it's easyer on the engine cuz it's not to lean or to rich.

3.33, 3.25, 3.125, 3.0, etc. Though tranny and engine parts need to be considered past 3.25.
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Originally posted by max'n out


Fmic? I'm not sure what that stands from. You mean a air to water intercooler? Air to water or air to air is good and nice, though not nessacary. Help yes, to a point, but having a forced induction engine it's not gonna have a real long life anyway.

Apexi s-afc is a piggy back ecu controller and it does like you said fine tune the fuel curve for more power, plus really it's easyer on the engine cuz it's not to lean or to rich.

3.33, 3.25, 3.125, 3.0, etc. Though tranny and engine parts need to be considered past 3.25.
Yeah I was thinking an fmic (front mounted intercooler) is air to air right? How much of a decrease in engine life am I looking at? Will the car still last another 3 years?
Old Feb 25, 2002 | 09:45 PM
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holy cow. you guys are talking me out of the sc.
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Yeah I was thinking an fmic (front mounted intercooler) is air to air right? How much of a decrease in engine life am I looking at? Will the car still last another 3 years?
Got ya now, never thought of that acramnim, sorry for my stupidity.

yeah front mounted air to air is most comon and work well. Looking at depending where you like 1000-2000 for somone to make you one since theres not one out, you gotta make new pipes, the intercooler, brackets stuff like that. Boosted engines last between 100,000 miles and 200,000 miles depending how you take care of it, or abuse it.
Old Feb 25, 2002 | 09:50 PM
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holy cow. you guys are talking me out of the sc.
I sure hope not! Everyone needs a sc... especially if you live on the east coast so I'll have a little more help and can help others when I learn a little more.


Originally posted by max'n out


Got ya now, never thought of that acramnim, sorry for my stupidity.

yeah front mounted air to air is most comon and work well. Looking at depending where you like 1000-2000 for somone to make you one since theres not one out, you gotta make new pipes, the intercooler, brackets stuff like that. Boosted engines last between 100,000 miles and 200,000 miles depending how you take care of it, or abuse it.
Hehe no prob, I was hoping I hadn't made that acromyn up.
I think I'll pass on the "fmic" for now, I need to keep saving for all the other things. As long as my car lasts that long I'll be happy. Thanks again for all the info.
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