My name is Bruce. But I'm sure there are several people on this forum who refer to me using somewhat more colorful terms.

 

I can only imagine

I usually remember you by keyword: Tire

 

Kul!

 

ok ok i'm here. i'll try to answer everything.

soundmike, you are correct, i use a specific filter that i like and looks good and like you said dynoes showed to be better and i will not use a differenct smaller one.

monster flow filters use a NON petrolateum agent on the filter and it's no damaging to MAF's. they do need to be cleaned and re-tacted every 15k but even if you add too much it's supposed to not damage the MAF. they can be easily cleaned with mild dish soap and let to air dry.

i chose to go with these to eliminate headaches AND to get the velocity stack that they have AND also they come with a port for the 95-96 maxima air temp sensor ALREADY in the filter housing, no floppy sensor for 4th gen guys anymore.

i hope i covered everything. post anything else i'll be here for the night i hope.

-steve

 

Thanks for the info, Steve. That about covers all of my concerns regarding the MF filter.

 

Steve, okay... just one more question from me. Didn't the Stillen intake give lower HP compared to the current K&N filters that come with the FI?

If so, was that caused by Stillen's slightly smaller intake or the velocity stack?

Thanks.

 

 

stillen's intake gave lower power BYITSELF then with the mid section to the tune of 5.8hp. and the stillen intake is shorter but wider and i think it's almost the same surface area as my current one but no quite.

 

Umm. Okay. i may have understood it wrong.

I was basing it on Emax95's results. Off the top of my head i remember him saying that swapping the Stillen filter w/ the K&N seemed to have achieved better results.

 

i'll have to contact him i think that was a butt dyno and we know how those can be sometimes. that's why i was gonna dyno but seeing as you and matt are i will do a 2k1 soon. and if matt lieks the mf seeing as you guys are helping me i'll hook him a deal.

 

don't i get a hook-up too?

j/k steve

 

My only questions left are the following:
1)What kind of warranty does the Monsterflow have compared to K&N
2)How many times cant the filter element be cleaned before it is unusable?
3)If I buy get the Monsterflow will I be able to get the cleaning kit at the same time?
4)How long must the filter sit after being cleaned before I can put it back into my car?
5)How did your filtration tests pan out?
I dont want to be overly picky about this but I really want to put the intake on my car and I, like others, are skeptical of the next great thing. I would just like some reassurance of the quality before I put it in my $30,000 car. I trust that you wouldnt put your name near an inferior product, I just like to be safe when it comes to my ride.
Aslo can you put a picture on the Frankencar site with the Monsterflow installed? I want to see how it looks..

-Jeremy

 

So, did we ever come to a conclusion on which intake works and which one doesn't?? I've had my 02 SE 6spd for 3 days now and I need to know which intake to get. Sounds like Frankencar is the way to go...but everyone keeps flipping back and forth about other intakes! I had an AEM cold air intake on my GSR and I hated it because I couldn't get to the air filter without taking off the front wheel. Otherwise, it was a fine piece of equipment. The intakes on the max do not seem to have that problem...but does someone have some dyno #'s to prove their effectiveness????

 

Allow me to interject, I hate it when Steve talks trash...

I would never use Monsterflow products because in a word they are cheap filters. K&N is a tried and true brand of filter while monsterflow is...monsterflow. About oil covered sensors, I've never seen it happen on a properly seviced K&N filter.

My filter is correctly sized for a Max's engine, you could go bigger if you want top end but I carefully selected it to give enough vacume for low end torque. Having too big a filter is NOT a good thing. You loose low end tourqe with too big a fitler. Unless you are planning to punch it from every light, you want an optimally sized fitler to give a low end and high end. It's always a trade off.

With that said I want to proudly say that -

I DO NOT USE MONSTERFLOW FILTERS!

 

I HAVE dyno number of 10hp gains with a frankencar intake and back to back runs against a standard pop style intake yeilding 5.8hp more with my intake. you be the judge.

coby- monster flow's aren't cheap filter, i'm not even getting into it. does you k/n have a molded in velocity stack and a temp sensor port for the 95-96 maxima?? that';s what i thought.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by dmbmaxima88
[B]

I HAVE dyno number of 10hp gains with a frankencar intake and back to back runs against a standard pop style intake yeilding 5.8hp more with my intake. you be the judge.

Well I looked at the dyno sheets for the two filters last night and I noticed that while the intake made more peak HP and TQ, it was not as flat of a curve. The stock seemed to start out at higher HP at lower RPM. Just curious how this translates to the track.

DOES ANYONE HAVE 1/4 mile times before and after these intakes were put in? Those numbers mean a lot more to me.

 

Look again, the two dyno sheets don't start out at 2.5rpm for the plots. HP is the same (in fact just a tiny bit higher w/ the intake) on both sheets.

Try searching here for the overlay of both sheets, you'll see that everything is just about even inspite of the "spiky" look on the dyno w/ Intake run.

 

I'd like to add my .02 about MonsterFlow Filters...

I personally worked for the guy (w/o naming names) who "designed" the MF filter back in the day when he had his own auto tint shop. His main focus was making money and our paychecks reflected that. Although he had a modded Mustang 5.0, he knew very little about import mods with the exception of prices and part #'s. He left that up to me and a few others who did work on the import modding.

I saw the prototype when he first started and the final design when it was complete. I have no idea how he "designed" this filter or who he paid to do it, but none of us liked it. The filter was too long and the foam was too coarse to catch any dust particles...and there was no type of lube designed for the foam back then. He probably just added it to satisfy those curious minds.

Personally I wouldn't buy it... I'd stick to the old trustworthy K&N IMO, but what you do is what you do. Just thought I'd share my experience. Hope it helps...

 

My sentiments exactly. Steve? Anything to say?

 

I just bought the Frankencar yesterday, hoping to get it tomorrow. I ordered it after I took my K&N panel filter out the on Sunday and cleaned it carefully and re-oiled it. I held it up to the sunlight, and there were hundreds of pinholes in it, through which I could see daylight. I put my paper filter back in, so I don't get dust in the engine. I was able to get most of the holes covered up with more filter oil, but I had to oil it so much that it was dripping off the filter.

I am hoping that the Monster Flow will filter better and flow just as well.

--Ray

 

Glad to see somebody doesn't jump on the monsterflow bandwagon just because PR starts using it. I mean, come on, there's gotta be a good reason why they're using them!

Gotta give props to you, you stand by your product (plus you don't have annoying pics of yourself holding a filter in your sig).

 

There is a guy who has a bone stock 2000SE 5 speed. At the track he ran a 15.0 stock. With my intake as the only mod he ran a 14.8. Forgot his name but do an search.....


PS - my intake is on sale

www.berktuning.com/sale.htm

 

Ok, let me get this strait:

The frankencar intake comes with the monster air filter...
The frankencar intake makes more HP than the berk
The frankencar intake costs more than the berk

Some people are buying frankencar intakes and putting K&N filters on em because there are some issues with the monster air filter....

Did I get this all correct??? HP is appealing, however I do not want dust in my engine. I'm not sure if I can afford the frankencar and then buy a K&N filter to boot.
I think part of the problem here is that we have the TWO people who make either intake defending their own intake and attacking the other. Kinda hard to get an unbiased opinion! They both sound like great products...however there seems to be some definite in-figting.

How does the berk sound?????

I wish someone with a 2002 could tell me their honest opinion of both intakes and which one they ended up choosing and why!!!

 

Both intakes are good products and well worth the price one pays for it. The choice is really up to the consumer.

- Frankencar comes with a Monster Flow now. K&N used to be standard, it is now optional.
- Berk comes with a K&N filter
- Frankencar comes with a Mid-pipe
- Berk's midpipe is an option and will come out shortly

Both intakes, if properly cared for, should and will give you years of good service. Abuse it and you'll reap the havoc it will bring.

 

I always stay clear away from saying anything insinuating or negative about Steve and his company but he always seems to fire off colored comments about my products. It is very annoying because then I have to go out and disprove or defend against the things he says. Bottom line is they are both great products with slightly differnt philosophies behind them. You make your own informed decision.

Cheers,
Bryan

 

i have a few k/n filters left in stock and i will sell it without the fitler also if you want to BYOF(bring your own filter) i actually haven't had a customer get one without a fitler since i started using monster flows. i also plan on trying to go a filtration test once i can find a particle to use for the dust simulator.

-steve

 

To be completely fair this seems to be way too speculative. It is also entirely your opinion. I realize you say its your .02, but it dosent really make the monster a bad filter because "the designer" he drives a 5.0 and not an import. and as for you thinking the filter looks too coarse to capture air this also means nothing, it is your opinion. I figure I would add my .02 because your post seems to try and discredit the MF and others on the ORG are trying to use it as a difinitive statement to prove k/n is better. I will give the M/f a chance in the near future. If any problems arise I can always switch back to k/n. I will go w/ the best horse power gain.

 

I think a test of the monster filter would be prudent. Lets see how much gunk is getting by. I have no idea how long the filter has been around, but such particle tests should be part of its design. If it passes, I think it's probably the way to go...nothing against K&N of course.

 

Search through several Mazda Miata enthusiast websites and newsgroups. They use MF filters for their CAI's and POP's. They've been doing it for quite a while. I've read tons of posts and no one seems to mention anything about reliability issues.

If anything the debates are always on POP vs. CAI.

 

I myself am eagerly awaiting results of a test before I go ahead and order my intake.

 

The Monsterflow site has been down for quite a while.?????????

 

I mean .2 seconds over a whole 1/4 mile? Crap, a bit of a breeze can make up for that little....I was hoping these intakes would produce more noticeable results...

 

Don't hate

Well, given it only bumps up HP/TQ a little bit you can't really expect much more than that.

0.2 is actually good in my book.

 

but for me, it doesn't make sense to spend anything for a .2 second bump which could just as easity been the results of time of day (i.e. ambient air temp), temp of engine (was it allowed to cool between tests, etc.), etc....

It would be different if there wasn't also the discussed LOSS of low end...

Just my thoughts...

As much as thought I have wanted an intake, guess I will stay content with my drop in...

 

An intake by itself won't do much but I'll tell ya if you do everything else and leave the stock box you will be loosing BIG HP from the restriction. Remember just freeing up one side of the pump (engine) won't do much without freeing up everything else in between from the intake to the muffler.

I would like to add one more thing, I noticed an increase in power a week and a half after installing my intake. Call me crazy but I noticed no power gains from switching to my Berk till now. Maybe the ecu now reprogrammed itself maybe I am crazy. Not a huge difference but a minimal difference.

Mark

 

Understood, I have already done a free-up to both ends of my 5.9L Ram (FIPK all the way back to the tailpipe)...know the concept, just wasn't sure about all the hoopla about intakes (especially from those of us who don't really plan on MAJOR mods like Y-pipes, exhausts, etc...)

 

As far as i've read. No one has complained about low-end loss on either intakes discussed in this thread.

Now, with regards to the reasons on buying an intake. In my own personal experience with most car enthusiasts, most of the time they can be any one of the following:

1) Cosmetic purposes ("Look at that engine bay!")
2) Performance purposes ("0.2s more and i'll hit low-14's!")
3) Bragging rights ("My car now has over xx HP/TQ")
4) Psychological purposes ("The sound! The sound! OMG! Watta rush!")
5) Any mix of the above, and then some.

 

0.2 difference in the quarter mile is pretty significant.

At 95mph you are traveling at 139ft per second, multiply that by 0.2 and you would have a 28ft advantage or 2 car lengths at the end of the quarter mile. If air quality was the same for both runs, that is a significant difference.

A supercharger may only decrease your time 0.8 - 1.0 seconds.


--Ray

 

to each his own...to those with intakes, "Enjoy!"...I will use the funds for more tangible results...

 

I will say the BERK intake is a very good $59.00 spent! I also would pay $59 just for the sound, I like to hear the engine.

Each to his own.

Mark