man, this whole discussion is so tacky

 

You juss bedda keep yo tackifide hands offa my throttle body, baby!

 

Sorry to spoil your fun, but maybe if were reeeaallyy nice Steve will give us the filters for that price.

y2k, can you ever forgive me???

 

Jeez, remykins. How nice do you think we'd have to be ???

And yes, you're forgiven.

 

I found the following information on a web site that has absolutely NOTHING to do with MonsterFlow. The information presented here should NOT be considered as an endorsement of MonsterFlow air filters nor, more specifically, the "Tackifying Agent" they use to coat their air filters. This is meant only as a POSSIBLE explanation as to why MonsterFlow uses a "Tackifying Agent", and does not speak to the chemical makeup of the agent nor the potential damage it may cause engine internals. (Is that enough disclaimers for ya'll? )

"The application of any filter pre-coating media is very much the same in most cases. Depending on the product details may change. The main reasons for applying a filter pre-coat are to provide an improved efficiency not normally possible with a clean, new filter media, and to help prolong the active life of the filters. A pre-coat medium will tend to partialy plug and coat the open pores in a filter product. This plug will be sufficiently porous in itself to have a minimal effect on air flow through the filter, but will have reduced the available air passages in size, limiting the amount of particulate emissions."

"This also has the desirable effect of preventing the particulate from plugging the air passages with a non porous mass. The combined effect of the cleaning cycle and continuous bombardment of particulate, does eventually overcome the protection of the pre-coat, but the working life of the filter is usually extended noticeably."

Source: http://www.sdatech.com/precoat.htm

 

while we dont nkow what it's made up of YET, i'm sure it won't damage the internals of yoru engine, they are succepted to much worse things and conditions then i think any tactifying agent could produce. BTW that 60 site for apexi are gone up to 75 now. i'm try8ing to get a good price on them but i can't. i'll keep looking want to help me.

 

Yeah, I'll help you. I've been scouring the net myself looking for that 60 site. But I can't find it either. The best price I've found so far is 75. I'll put up a post in this thread if I find a better price.

Have you tried contacting A'PEXi direct?

 

no i haven't done that yet. i'll contact them on monday hopefully i can get them for about 1/2 that 75 dollar price we've been seeing. if so i might go with those.

 

Kul. Keep us posted.

 

Steve is sending me a monsterflow. I already have a KN, so I will test both and see which one i like best ! I must say , after driving Leftcoasts' 2K2SE 6Spd with a Frankencar..... I cant wait to get it ! That ting ROARS ! I could here it more than his Cattman and my exhaust put together !

 

Yeah seriously, the way I figure it, there is barely any noticeable performance difference in between intakes, if at all. An intake is a cheap, easy way to let the car breathe a little better, but whose effects won't be felt unless it actually NEEDS the air (such as forced air-induction or whatever). This is the first mod anyone does since it's cheap, it makes your car roar, and it's a practical way to start tuning - don't bother telling your car to breathe harder with less air. Face it too, the ultimate intake beyond a straight pipe w/attached cone would be one sticking out of a hole in your side fender - out of the way of all the extra heat and moisture in your engine bay (esp. on a summer day). The real cold-air intake will help you when it counts - when you are pushing boost on a steamy summer day at the track, with your engine roasting - yet with the air surrounding the intake perfectly crisp and cool. That perfect environment is pretty hard to achieve - hence why in some cases an open-air intake can even reduce the numbers.. the next time you're sweating like a pig after a 5 mile run on a hot noon day, see how much inhaling hot humid air helps ya

On the average, you'll see a 3-4hp gain, whether there are other mods or not. And that depends on where you are in the powerband, how you're driving, how much atmospheric pressure, and all the usual obvious environmental stuff. In your ET's, even a 0.2 is too much of a performance gain for just an air intake - I'm willing to bet it's the driving or the surroundings that improved more than anything else If you want to have a real, everyday-noticeable power gain on paper and in the ***, you're going to have to pay more than $60-100 for it, in the form of a super/turbo charger, NOS, or other work on the engine's internals.

Anyways, I do apologize for blabbering like a fool.. thought I'd add my 3 paragraphs to the conversation

Jer
<zips his smartass yapper shut>



[QUOTE]Originally posted by soundmike
[B]man, this whole discussion is so tacky