Tarus SHO
07-27-2002, 01:11 PM
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Re: Re: Re: SHO beat Maxima yeah RIGHT!!!!
Originally posted by Big_Ham
Beleive me guys, if you come up on a G1 SHO, LOOK OUT!!
Beleive me guys, if you come up on a G1 SHO, LOOK OUT!!
Believe it or not, I actually ran into a G1 SHO a couple of days ago. I was on the "local interstate" here and we were stuck behind a bunch of idiots in the left lanes that had their cars all lined up at the freakin speed limit. Idiots.
I was back a bit and I noticed the G1 SHO all the way over on the left. It was looking soooo raggedy, beat up, and rusty that I seriously didn't think much of it. But then the guy switched over 4 lanes to the one clear lane on the right and HE WAS GONE BABY!!!
Some traffic was blocking me so I was sorta stuck, but by the time I finally got over to follow I couldn't even see him anymore. I don't know if he got off at an exit or what, but DAMN, that car moved!!!
So that's my SHO story. I've always liked SHO's too. They defined the mid-sized sport sedan segment that we have today as well so that's pretty cool. Don't sleep on SHO's
07-27-2002, 01:15 PM
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Originally posted by F23A4
Ditto, slick. It isn't like a GTP where the boost can be raised. I'll gladly race an SHO 5 speed. THEY don't run 14s, I do!
Ditto, slick. It isn't like a GTP where the boost can be raised. I'll gladly race an SHO 5 speed. THEY don't run 14s, I do!
07-27-2002, 07:05 PM
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Car and Driver had a great comparison between the 92 Maxima SE 5 speed and the Taurus SHO in either August or September of 1991. I may have been November. It was shortly after the VE30DE was revealed in the Max. I recall the numbers being nearly identical. The Maxima won on the skidpad and in braking, but the SHO edged the Maxima 6.6 to 6.7 to 60. The Maxima hit 15.3 and the SHO hit 15.2 I believe. The top speed on the Max was 138 mph and the SHO 140. If anyone has access to that article, it's a good one.
07-27-2002, 09:58 PM
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Originally posted by Bryan91SE
Car and Driver had a great comparison between the 92 Maxima SE 5 speed and the Taurus SHO in either August or September of 1991. I may have been November. It was shortly after the VE30DE was revealed in the Max. I recall the numbers being nearly identical. The Maxima won on the skidpad and in braking, but the SHO edged the Maxima 6.6 to 6.7 to 60. The Maxima hit 15.3 and the SHO hit 15.2 I believe. The top speed on the Max was 138 mph and the SHO 140. If anyone has access to that article, it's a good one.
Car and Driver had a great comparison between the 92 Maxima SE 5 speed and the Taurus SHO in either August or September of 1991. I may have been November. It was shortly after the VE30DE was revealed in the Max. I recall the numbers being nearly identical. The Maxima won on the skidpad and in braking, but the SHO edged the Maxima 6.6 to 6.7 to 60. The Maxima hit 15.3 and the SHO hit 15.2 I believe. The top speed on the Max was 138 mph and the SHO 140. If anyone has access to that article, it's a good one.
07-28-2002, 05:16 AM
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Originally posted by F23A4
NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Say it ain't so! What have I become!?! :bawling :
NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Say it ain't so! What have I become!?! :bawling :
http://www.superhonda.com/forum/show...threadid=50516
That forum is lost without your knowledge. I gave them a little reality slap but I think they'd believe you more
Sorry for the OT
07-28-2002, 06:37 AM
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Originally posted by SteVTEC
Hey you need to get back to the Accord board and slap some of these guys back to reality. They're saying you can gain 30 HP from bolt-on's on an F22 and run mid-15's.
http://www.superhonda.com/forum/show...threadid=50516
That forum is lost without your knowledge. I gave them a little reality slap but I think they'd believe you more
Sorry for the OT
Hey you need to get back to the Accord board and slap some of these guys back to reality. They're saying you can gain 30 HP from bolt-on's on an F22 and run mid-15's.
http://www.superhonda.com/forum/show...threadid=50516
That forum is lost without your knowledge. I gave them a little reality slap but I think they'd believe you more
Sorry for the OT
Anyway, I'll jump to that thread and see if we can set the record somewhat straight.
07-28-2002, 07:32 AM
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Originally posted by F23A4
Steve, you know I've tried. Even though I'm still moderating that forum, I've just about given up getting through to those guys.
Steve, you know I've tried. Even though I'm still moderating that forum, I've just about given up getting through to those guys.
If ricers really knew how much power they were NOT gaining, then Maxima and SHO owners wouldn't have the pleasure of ripping them new ones on the streets, and it would be one less form of FREE entertainment at someone else's expense.
PS: I think we're BOTH about due for new screen names. LOL.
07-28-2002, 11:05 PM
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I had a h23 in my 4g accord, thing ran 15.7, with all bolt ons, and 5-speed. And thats light version accord! F22's will not hit 15's with simple bolt ons. let me bolt on a S/C in the max....
but a 2.3L I-4 with 157 ft/lbs torue ?! cannot compare to a 3.5 L DOHC V6, 246 ft/lbs of torque, many with 227+ to the wheels STOCK.
but a 2.3L I-4 with 157 ft/lbs torue ?! cannot compare to a 3.5 L DOHC V6, 246 ft/lbs of torque, many with 227+ to the wheels STOCK.
07-30-2002, 08:23 PM
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Re: Re: SHO beat Maxima yeah RIGHT!!!!
Originally posted by TDoyle
Those numbers don't even tell half the story. For some reason I've noticed the test numbers for the SHO vary hugely. Some tests reports 0-60 times in the 7.5 second range while other reported it in 6.6 seconds. I'm a longtime SHO owner (94 ATX) who is getting the itch for another car and it looks like it will be a Maxima. After having driven a couple of G5 Max's (and running with some on the street) I can tell you for certain that stock for stock, nothing short of a 2k2 will beat a stock V-6 SHO (ATX vs ATX, MTX vs MTX).
Stock Gen 2 SHOs have been certified to run as low as 14.7 in the 1/4 with full interior, stock air filter and spare tire/jack still in the trunk...takes a really experienced driver though since as noted by another poster the SHO suffers from off the line traction problems. The car really shines above 40mph...try anything on a roll and the SHO might eat you alive, the upper powerband on those motors is quite impressive. Modded some cars run well in excess of 350 fwhp, one guy is pushing near 500fwhp and holds several ECTA speed records (http://www.setel.com/~ransom/).
To set the record straight on a few things:
- V-6 was a total Yamaha motor, built exclusively for Ford.
- V-8 was a stretched 3.0l Duratec V-6 block with a Yamaha top end.
- Gen 1 ran from 89-91, MTX only.
- Gen 2 ran 92-95, ATX offered from 93-95.
- Gen 3 ran from 96-99 and offered only an ATX bolted to the 235hp V-8.
- V-6's are generally considered faster than the V-8, largely by virtue of the 5 speed on the V-6...the V-8 is a far better chassis.
- All of the transmissions are generally considered to be fragile. The ATX's are beefed up Escort trannies and tend to fail in the G2 units, the MTX's tend to grenade their differential pins through the houseing if you do too many one wheel burnouts (an easy thing to do in a SHO).
- The Grand National is not a sedan Maxxximus.
Sorry to go on an on...and on...and on...
Those numbers don't even tell half the story. For some reason I've noticed the test numbers for the SHO vary hugely. Some tests reports 0-60 times in the 7.5 second range while other reported it in 6.6 seconds. I'm a longtime SHO owner (94 ATX) who is getting the itch for another car and it looks like it will be a Maxima. After having driven a couple of G5 Max's (and running with some on the street) I can tell you for certain that stock for stock, nothing short of a 2k2 will beat a stock V-6 SHO (ATX vs ATX, MTX vs MTX).
Stock Gen 2 SHOs have been certified to run as low as 14.7 in the 1/4 with full interior, stock air filter and spare tire/jack still in the trunk...takes a really experienced driver though since as noted by another poster the SHO suffers from off the line traction problems. The car really shines above 40mph...try anything on a roll and the SHO might eat you alive, the upper powerband on those motors is quite impressive. Modded some cars run well in excess of 350 fwhp, one guy is pushing near 500fwhp and holds several ECTA speed records (http://www.setel.com/~ransom/).
To set the record straight on a few things:
- V-6 was a total Yamaha motor, built exclusively for Ford.
- V-8 was a stretched 3.0l Duratec V-6 block with a Yamaha top end.
- Gen 1 ran from 89-91, MTX only.
- Gen 2 ran 92-95, ATX offered from 93-95.
- Gen 3 ran from 96-99 and offered only an ATX bolted to the 235hp V-8.
- V-6's are generally considered faster than the V-8, largely by virtue of the 5 speed on the V-6...the V-8 is a far better chassis.
- All of the transmissions are generally considered to be fragile. The ATX's are beefed up Escort trannies and tend to fail in the G2 units, the MTX's tend to grenade their differential pins through the houseing if you do too many one wheel burnouts (an easy thing to do in a SHO).
- The Grand National is not a sedan Maxxximus.
Sorry to go on an on...and on...and on...
As a long time SHOTIMES subscriber and current member of NESHOC (My best friend is the president with a 96 SHO) I can tell you the following to be MY experiences as fact.
My 94 SHO ATX is still the quickest naturally aspirated ATX SHO on SHOTIMES in the 1/4 mi and it only ran a 14.9 at 92 or so. The post is still on the website. This car would destroy my 2000 Maxima SE in every aspect of a race...but only b/c I had put about $3000 of bolt ons into my SHO, and my SE is stock, albeit an Air filter assembly I put together. My Friend (The NESHOC president) also has a 98 Maxima SE and while quick it would get eaten by my old SHO. Next on the block is my wife's 2002 Maxima SE, that with just a Frankencar CAI ran 14.6's at 95 all night long at New England Drag way with one 14.5 at 95 that was close to a 14.4...All Stock, just a CAI...I was blown away...I beat everything from a 94-95 Mustang GT to a modded WRX (Though his trap speed was 99)...except for the awfully soft springs they put in the 2002s it kills my 2000 SE and my old SHO in every facet except top end. My old SHO would easily pin its 140 mph speedo, but neither my 2000 SE or my wife's 2002 will crack 135 (I don't know what others are doing to go faster than 140 in ATX trim, but please tell me your secrets). The best part of the Maxima is that the rest of the car (outside of the motor) is top notch, while the only thing worth keeping on my old SHO was the upper intake (those runners are gorgeous), which is mounted in my Garage for keep's sake.
Couple of quick snippets: whether it be an ATX or MTX SHO (Any Generation) a 2002 Maxima will walk it (until top end at least on my two)...but all other Maximas are easy prey for the SHO...even the 96-99s that will run up to 140 + (My friend's 96 walked right by my 2000 SE and kept going) as far as Mustangs go...it will depend on the driver and what the year is...a 95 Cobra...only 245 bhp kept right up with me in the 2002, but I have surprised a lot of older 87-93s that don't breathe well above 5000 rpms...Maxes rock and I am hoping for all wheel drive and 260 + BHP next year. Hope I didn't offend anyone.
John
2000 SE 15's too slow
2002 SE 14.5 @ 95
87 Mustang GT 13.1 @ 107
07-30-2002, 08:46 PM
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Originally posted by 1BADMAX
I had no mods done to my SHO and maybe the times I beat those Mustangs the drivers just sucked. Of the ones I did beat the 92's and below were the hardest to beat, but the 93 4.6l and up were easier. I hope your right though that my 2k1 Maxima is faster, but it's kind of hard to judge since I don't come across many SHO's anymore. Although i've raced a few 96 and up Mustang GT's from a roll with my Maxima and have yet to lose. So maybe my Maxima is faster.
I had no mods done to my SHO and maybe the times I beat those Mustangs the drivers just sucked. Of the ones I did beat the 92's and below were the hardest to beat, but the 93 4.6l and up were easier. I hope your right though that my 2k1 Maxima is faster, but it's kind of hard to judge since I don't come across many SHO's anymore. Although i've raced a few 96 and up Mustang GT's from a roll with my Maxima and have yet to lose. So maybe my Maxima is faster.
Mustang had the 5.0 V8 through '95. 1996 brought the 4.6 (and the 305 hp Cobra). A stock Maxima of any year.... including a '02, will have trouble with a 1999+ Mustang GT 5 speed. Those have 260 HP and they also have 300 lbs. of torque.
1993 and earlier were lighter than 1994+ Mustangs so they are also quick. Any stock 1996 to 1998 Mustang (not including Cobra) would be killable by a 2002 Max..... Maybe even an earlier Max
07-30-2002, 09:36 PM
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Re: Re: Re: SHO beat Maxima yeah RIGHT!!!!
Originally posted by bosssho
Wanted to start off by saying...Very Good Post and very accurate. I also wanted to ad some thoughts...
As a long time SHOTIMES subscriber and current member of NESHOC (My best friend is the president with a 96 SHO) I can tell you the following to be MY experiences as fact.
My 94 SHO ATX is still the quickest naturally aspirated ATX SHO on SHOTIMES in the 1/4 mi and it only ran a 14.9 at 92 or so. The post is still on the website. This car would destroy my 2000 Maxima SE in every aspect of a race...but only b/c I had put about $3000 of bolt ons into my SHO, and my SE is stock, albeit an Air filter assembly I put together. My Friend (The NESHOC president) also has a 98 Maxima SE and while quick it would get eaten by my old SHO. Next on the block is my wife's 2002 Maxima SE, that with just a Frankencar CAI ran 14.6's at 95 all night long at New England Drag way with one 14.5 at 95 that was close to a 14.4...All Stock, just a CAI...I was blown away...I beat everything from a 94-95 Mustang GT to a modded WRX (Though his trap speed was 99)...except for the awfully soft springs they put in the 2002s it kills my 2000 SE and my old SHO in every facet except top end. My old SHO would easily pin its 140 mph speedo, but neither my 2000 SE or my wife's 2002 will crack 135 (I don't know what others are doing to go faster than 140 in ATX trim, but please tell me your secrets). The best part of the Maxima is that the rest of the car (outside of the motor) is top notch, while the only thing worth keeping on my old SHO was the upper intake (those runners are gorgeous), which is mounted in my Garage for keep's sake.
Couple of quick snippets: whether it be an ATX or MTX SHO (Any Generation) a 2002 Maxima will walk it (until top end at least on my two)...but all other Maximas are easy prey for the SHO...even the 96-99s that will run up to 140 + (My friend's 96 walked right by my 2000 SE and kept going) as far as Mustangs go...it will depend on the driver and what the year is...a 95 Cobra...only 245 bhp kept right up with me in the 2002, but I have surprised a lot of older 87-93s that don't breathe well above 5000 rpms...Maxes rock and I am hoping for all wheel drive and 260 + BHP next year. Hope I didn't offend anyone.
John
2000 SE 15's too slow
2002 SE 14.5 @ 95
87 Mustang GT 13.1 @ 107
Wanted to start off by saying...Very Good Post and very accurate. I also wanted to ad some thoughts...
As a long time SHOTIMES subscriber and current member of NESHOC (My best friend is the president with a 96 SHO) I can tell you the following to be MY experiences as fact.
My 94 SHO ATX is still the quickest naturally aspirated ATX SHO on SHOTIMES in the 1/4 mi and it only ran a 14.9 at 92 or so. The post is still on the website. This car would destroy my 2000 Maxima SE in every aspect of a race...but only b/c I had put about $3000 of bolt ons into my SHO, and my SE is stock, albeit an Air filter assembly I put together. My Friend (The NESHOC president) also has a 98 Maxima SE and while quick it would get eaten by my old SHO. Next on the block is my wife's 2002 Maxima SE, that with just a Frankencar CAI ran 14.6's at 95 all night long at New England Drag way with one 14.5 at 95 that was close to a 14.4...All Stock, just a CAI...I was blown away...I beat everything from a 94-95 Mustang GT to a modded WRX (Though his trap speed was 99)...except for the awfully soft springs they put in the 2002s it kills my 2000 SE and my old SHO in every facet except top end. My old SHO would easily pin its 140 mph speedo, but neither my 2000 SE or my wife's 2002 will crack 135 (I don't know what others are doing to go faster than 140 in ATX trim, but please tell me your secrets). The best part of the Maxima is that the rest of the car (outside of the motor) is top notch, while the only thing worth keeping on my old SHO was the upper intake (those runners are gorgeous), which is mounted in my Garage for keep's sake.
Couple of quick snippets: whether it be an ATX or MTX SHO (Any Generation) a 2002 Maxima will walk it (until top end at least on my two)...but all other Maximas are easy prey for the SHO...even the 96-99s that will run up to 140 + (My friend's 96 walked right by my 2000 SE and kept going) as far as Mustangs go...it will depend on the driver and what the year is...a 95 Cobra...only 245 bhp kept right up with me in the 2002, but I have surprised a lot of older 87-93s that don't breathe well above 5000 rpms...Maxes rock and I am hoping for all wheel drive and 260 + BHP next year. Hope I didn't offend anyone.
John
2000 SE 15's too slow
2002 SE 14.5 @ 95
87 Mustang GT 13.1 @ 107
07-31-2002, 02:28 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: SHO beat Maxima yeah RIGHT!!!!
well, keep in mind that he said it took 3K in mods to get an AUTO sho to 14.9, NOT A 5 speed.
with all the boltons, you should be in the 14.3-14.5 range in a sho (my bud ran 14.7 at sears point with a y-pipe, homemade cai and bfg drag radials).
want more than that - then you need to bore, boost or juice. cams help too ;-)
with that said, do all the bolt ons to a new maxima and your running mid13s!
see ya,
Robby
with all the boltons, you should be in the 14.3-14.5 range in a sho (my bud ran 14.7 at sears point with a y-pipe, homemade cai and bfg drag radials).
want more than that - then you need to bore, boost or juice. cams help too ;-)
with that said, do all the bolt ons to a new maxima and your running mid13s!
see ya,
Robby
Originally posted by Lurchdogg11
I've been wondering why my friends kept telling me to keep my SHO after they rode in my MAX. I kept assuring them that with all the mods the MAX would walk the SHO, i'm afraid i was wrong.....but at least i can tell my friends that i don't want a car that i'm blowing all my money into because of repairs....
I've been wondering why my friends kept telling me to keep my SHO after they rode in my MAX. I kept assuring them that with all the mods the MAX would walk the SHO, i'm afraid i was wrong.....but at least i can tell my friends that i don't want a car that i'm blowing all my money into because of repairs....
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